Israeli-Palestinian conflict (97 Viewers)

[DAiDEViL]

their sanction list is pretty relevant.

What about resolutions against Israel though? Nevermind, someone is gonna block them.

 

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[Tomice]

It's not about who or what caused what. There is no moral victory in any of this.

Palestinians and Gazans in particular are not children, their choices and actions led us here, just as ours did.
I'm not angry or seeking revenge, I'm just sad cause I'm resigned to the idea that this is the point of no return for both our people.

I've seen the atrocities with my own eyes, there is no propaganda here, just fog of war, people can't picture the level of chaos here.
Seeing what I saw I realised that they are too far gone, whoever fault you assign it to.
.
I know I'm biased and conditioned, brainwashed even but so are they. And some of you. There is no coming back from this once all the survivor stories are out and when/if more picture will leak the Israeli public will have zero sympathy left if they have any. We will leave the academic debate to outsiders.

 

[Strickland]

Exactly, that is exactly the problem with the UN.

100 million problems with the UN. Them putting someone in a terrorist sanctions list still an effective way to cut off funding and would hurt Hamas and frankly I don't see a reasonable argument how Hamas is not a terrorist organization.

 

[kappa96]

100 million problems with the UN. Them putting someone in a terrorist sanctions list still an effective way to cut off funding and would hurt Hamas and frankly I don't see a reasonable argument how Hamas is not a terrorist organization.

It's members haven't hit enough wounded innocent civilians on the head with a shovel yet.

PS They have just hit 150 wounded civilians but I'm sure that with some US and EU "humanitarian aid" they can strive for at least a 1000.

 

[Nzoric]

100 million problems with the UN. Them putting someone in a terrorist sanctions list still an effective way to cut off funding and would hurt Hamas and frankly I don't see a reasonable argument how Hamas is not a terrorist organization.

I agree, there isnt a reasonable argument. Realpolitik analysis is that when the UN functions the way it does everything becomes a bargaining chip. Even blatant things such as placing Hamas on a terrorist org. list. Or the state of Israel for that matter.


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[campionesidd]

It's not about who or what caused what. There is no moral victory in any of this.

Palestinians and Gazans in particular are not children, their choices and actions led us here, just as ours did.
I'm not angry or seeking revenge, I'm just sad cause I'm resigned to the idea that this is the point of no return for both our people.

I've seen the atrocities with my own eyes, there is no propaganda here, just fog of war, people can't picture the level of chaos here.
Seeing what I saw I realised that they are too far gone, whoever fault you assign it to.
.
I know I'm biased and conditioned, brainwashed even but so are they. And some of you. There is no coming back from this once all the survivor stories are out and when/if more picture will leak the Israeli public will have zero sympathy left if they have any. We will leave the academic debate to outsiders.

I heard many Israelis are outraged at the government. Surely they shoulder a lot of blame for all the intelligence failures.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's not about who or what caused what. There is no moral victory in any of this.

Palestinians and Gazans in particular are not children, their choices and actions led us here, just as ours did.
I'm not angry or seeking revenge, I'm just sad cause I'm resigned to the idea that this is the point of no return for both our people.

I've seen the atrocities with my own eyes, there is no propaganda here, just fog of war, people can't picture the level of chaos here.
Seeing what I saw I realised that they are too far gone, whoever fault you assign it to.
.
I know I'm biased and conditioned, brainwashed even but so are they. And some of you. There is no coming back from this once all the survivor stories are out and when/if more picture will leak the Israeli public will have zero sympathy left if they have any. We will leave the academic debate to outsiders.

Did you see this piece on haaretz

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ng-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000

And yes you are right, we are biased/brainwashed, and unlike you, have the luxury to not have been born into it. So apologies if anything said here was disrespectful to you in your time of grief. But no matter our views, we share your pain as friends and fellow humans. Stay strong my brother.

 

[Strickland]

I agree, there isnt a reasonable argument. Realpolitik analysis is that when the UN functions the way it does everything becomes a bargaining chip. Even blatant things such as placing Hamas on a terrorist org. list. Or the state of Israel for that matter.

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Establishment terrorism rarely if ever make UN lists, if the country is not microscopic, cutting off whole countries from the global system will have tremendous effects on both the civilian population of that country and the global trade.

 

[Orgut]

Did you see this piece on haaretz

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ng-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000

And yes you are right, we are biased/brainwashed, and unlike you, have the luxury to not have been born into it. So apologies if anything said here was disrespectful to you in your time of grief. But no matter our views, we share your pain as friends and fellow humans. Stay strong my brother.

Haaretz are known to be very left wing.
It means that sometimes they say the truth but sometime create conspiracy against their opposing side which is currently our right wing government.

In other words I`d take Haaretz words as less reliable than Calciomercato.

As for the current situation - It sucks obviously, I have nothing more to add than what already been said. I just hope this nightmare to be over soon.

 

[Bjerknes]

We are about to see a ground campaign in Gaza so insane that it would even make the creators of Call of Duty blush.

I'm also worried about another wave of western terror attacks as well, all for the sake of the promised land.

 

[Seven]

We are about to see a ground campaign in Gaza so insane that it would even make the creators of Call of Duty blush.

I'm also worried about another wave of western terror attacks as well, all for the sake of the promised land.

What concerns me is how Western politicians have reacted.

American, but also European (and even Belgian) politicians just say: "We side with Israel.". Wait, you what now? This is a horrible conflict for all parties involved and you're just going to pick one side? Despite the evidence of decades of wrongdoing on that side's part? That is just crazy.

I will say this though: in Europe at least news outlets are critical of these comments. Maybe in the US as well, I haven't really read any American papers the last few days.

 

[ALC]

What concerns me is how Western politicians have reacted.

American, but also European (and even Belgian) politicians just say: "We side with Israel.". Wait, you what now? This is a horrible conflict for all parties involved and you're just going to pick one side? Despite the evidence of decades of wrongdoing on that side's part? That is just crazy.

I will say this though: in Europe at least news outlets are critical of these comments. Maybe in the US as well, I haven't really read any American papers the last few days.

US seems pretty one sided to me.

 

[Ronn]

This mofo still having a job is a disgrace for the US.

 

[Bjerknes]

What concerns me is how Western politicians have reacted.

American, but also European (and even Belgian) politicians just say: "We side with Israel.". Wait, you what now? This is a horrible conflict for all parties involved and you're just going to pick one side? Despite the evidence of decades of wrongdoing on that side's part? That is just crazy.

I will say this though: in Europe at least news outlets are critical of these comments. Maybe in the US as well, I haven't really read any American papers the last few days.

Agreed. And in the US, it's all one-sided, pro-Israel in the government and media. Never do we get to hear what the average Palestinian thinks. But that isn't surprising.

 

[Tomice]

Did you see this piece on haaretz

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ng-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000

And yes you are right, we are biased/brainwashed, and unlike you, have the luxury to not have been born into it. So apologies if anything said here was disrespectful to you in your time of grief. But no matter our views, we share your pain as friends and fellow humans. Stay strong my brother.

I avoided most news so far, better keep cool. The article isn't wrong on the facts but a bit simplistic. It could've happen anyway as there are many more players involved here other than Qatari money.

Anyway, thanks man, appreciate it.
I don't take the Internet personally, no worries.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Completely rational for western political establishment to side with states that share/serve their geopolitical interests. Even easier if it's against peoples they've spent past 2 decades dehumanizing and demonizing as part of the war on terror and subsequent immigration crisis.

Nah, media here used to be pretty critical about Israel and their settlement policy and all, with a lot of sympathy for the people in Palestine, that all seemingly disappeared over night though, together with the Hamas attack.

 

[Post Ironic]

Nah, media here used to be pretty critical about Israel and their settlement policy and all, with a lot of sympathy for the people in Palestine, that all seemingly disappeared over night though, together with the Hamas attack.

Same here. It was pretty commonplace for media and liberal politicians to criticize Israel and what it’s been doing without many getting all that up-in-arms about it. Now, it’s basically a death sentence for your career, at least in the short term.

 

[swag]

You know where I’ve seen these atrocities before? Rape, pillage, torture and execution of civilians?

Bucha

You know who’s birthday it was when Hamas invaded Israel?

You know who needs to distract from Ukraine while executing his plan to disrupt global forces of stability and power?

I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting the dots on this.

 

[Post Ironic]

You know where I’ve seen these atrocities before? Rape, pillage, torture and execution of civilians?

Bucha

You know who’s birthday it was when Hamas invaded Israel?

You know who needs to distract from Ukraine while executing his plan to disrupt global forces of stability and power?

I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting the dots on this.

There is a piece in The Hill about just this today.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4250708-putins-fingerprints-are-on-hamas/amp/

 

[X Æ A-12]

You know where I’ve seen these atrocities before? Rape, pillage, torture and execution of civilians?

Bucha

You know who’s birthday it was when Hamas invaded Israel?

You know who needs to distract from Ukraine while executing his plan to disrupt global forces of stability and power?

I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting the dots on this.

Pogba tested positive for too much testosterone after Putin came in his ass