Thanks for the respect, the only fact i see is Israelis are alien to that land and displaced another people to be there. Now, cynical me sees nothing wrong with that since that's how things have always worked, what i have issue with is the moral highground claim, you never had it and you never will, with all the democracy and kibbutzes that land can handle you just won't.
As for the assumption, it's a natural one seeing as you are concerned with justice. I just can't see how any objective person can morally justify Israels existence.
I edited my post a bit to clarify, after your reply so there's that.
More importantly then everything else you are actually touching on a much bigger issue here I think. There is a huge cognitive-dissonance between what we perceive as "universal justice" (such a fluid notion in itself) and how the world actually works. I'm a "cynical" person myself, which is funny cause the definition itself today is a perfect example of that cognitive-dissonance as I would argue it's actually a "realist" and has nothing to do with being cynical.
As one I will never claim a moral high ground, this is exactly the assumption you are making regarding me I resent. The world is shaped by the "winners" and for that to happen someone got to lose, if you want us to apologize because we "won" I'm sorry to disappoint. Nothing in this world comes without struggle and always on the expanse of someone else. If Israel was founded even 100 years ago instead of 70 not one person in the west would've a batted an eye, wait 100 years more and no one will care again.
People are tribal, however you want to define that word, and as such will always look to better their own fortune on the expense of others and secure their future, like it's been done by every country in the world for the last 5,000 years. The only difference today imo is that the "west" is suffering from some kind of post-traumatic stress disorder following two world wars and is overcompensating for centuries of colonization that gave rise to a false sense of "universal" justice (which also comes from the same sense of superiority, ironically).
And to you point, saying that Israelis are alien to the land is very subjective statement in itself ,one with which I couldn't agree, and very far from a fact. Not to mention it's wholly irrelevant.
If Israelis are alien to the land then the same can be said regarding the refugees and their right of return and palestinians claim to "stolen land" or whole of Israel pre 48, if time is the only criteria for becoming alien to a land then what is the cut off? two generations? 10? a hundred?
It's also very, very easy to justify Israel existence moraly (as if anyone needs or can justify any country existence at all), it all depends on your own moral which is almost always a part of your broader "tribal" moral that inherently involves survival.
What's my narrative? I'm not the one who needs a narrative
to deal every day with the moral dilemmas of living on stolen land while casually oppressing millions of people
One more thing I wanted to add which I think is important to understand in this context. There is absolutely zero daily moral dilemma as you put it regarding living on "stolen" land, for me personally and you will also be hard pressed to find anyone here with such even at the most far-left circles (discounting the settlement of course, which me being personally against is an understatement) . The reason for that is a very simple one, we were born here. Whether you like it or not, Israel is a country and an accomplished fact, just as americans or australians don't live with a daily dilemma regarding the native population anymore. There is just no going back so in turn no purpose whatsoever in having this dilemma.
There is however certainly a dilemma regarding the oppression of the palestinians