I understand the guy's point, but it's not exactly a strong image he's using. As if shooting a rocket is something you do every day 
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I think the part about bombing his country, killing his family projected an even stronger image
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An Israeli military college has printed damning soldiers' accounts of the killing of civilians and vandalism during recent operations in Gaza.
One account tells of a sniper killing a mother and children at close range whom troops had told to leave their home.
Another speaker at the seminar described what he saw as the "cold blooded murder" of a Palestinian woman.
The army has defended its conduct during the Gaza offensive but said it would investigate the testimonies.
The Israeli army has said it will investigate the soldiers' accounts.
The testimonies were published by the military academy at Oranim College. Graduates of the academy, who had served in Gaza, were speaking to new recruits at a seminar.
"[The testimonies] conveyed an atmosphere in which one feels entitled to use unrestricted force against Palestinians," academy director Dany Zamir told public radio.
Heavy civilian casualties during the three-week operation which ended in the blockaded coastal strip on 18 January provoked an international outcry.
Correspondents say the testimonies undermine Israel's claims that troops took care to protect non-combatants and accusations that Hamas militants were responsible for putting civilians into harm's way.
'Less important'
The Palestinian woman and two of her children were allegedly shot after they misunderstood instructions about which way to walk having been ordered out of their home by troops.
"The climate in general... I don't know how to describe it.... the lives of Palestinians, let's say, are much, much less important than the lives of our soldiers," an infantry squad leader is quoted saying.
In another cited case, a commander ordered troops to kill an elderly woman walking on a road, even though she was easily identifiable and clearly not a threat.
Testimonies, which were given by combat pilots and infantry soldiers, also included allegations of unnecessary destruction of Palestinian property.
"We would throw everything out of the windows to make room and order. Everything... Refrigerators, plates, furniture. The order was to throw all of the house's contents outside," a soldier said.
One non-commissioned officer related at the seminar that an old woman crossing a main road was shot by soldiers.
"I don't know whether she was suspicious, not suspicious, I don't know her story… I do know that my officer sent people to the roof in order to take her out… It was cold-blooded murder," he said.
The transcript of the session for the college's Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course, which was held last month, appeared in a newsletter published by the academy.
Israeli human rights groups have criticised the military for failing to properly investigate violations of the laws of war in Gaza despite plenty of evidence of possible war crimes.
'Moral army'
The soldiers' testimonies also reportedly told of an unusually high intervention by military and non-military rabbis, who circulated pamphlets describing the war in religious terminology.
"All the articles had one clear message," one soldier said. "We are the people of Israel, we arrived in the country almost by miracle, now we need to fight to uproot the gentiles who interfere with re-conquering the Holy Land."
"Many soldiers' feelings were that this was a war of religion," he added.
Defence Minister Ehud Barak told Israel Radio that the findings would be examined seriously.
"I still say we have the most moral army in the world. Of course there may be exceptions but I have absolutely no doubt this will be inspected on a case-by-case basis," he said.
Medical authorities say more than 1,300 Palestinians were killed during Israel's 22-day operation, including some 440 children, 110 women, and dozens of elderly people.
The stated aim was to curb rocket and mortar fire by militants from Gaza. Thirteen Israelis, including three civilians were killed.
One account tells of a sniper killing a mother and children at close range whom troops had told to leave their home.
Another speaker at the seminar described what he saw as the "cold blooded murder" of a Palestinian woman.
The army has defended its conduct during the Gaza offensive but said it would investigate the testimonies.
The Israeli army has said it will investigate the soldiers' accounts.
The testimonies were published by the military academy at Oranim College. Graduates of the academy, who had served in Gaza, were speaking to new recruits at a seminar.
"[The testimonies] conveyed an atmosphere in which one feels entitled to use unrestricted force against Palestinians," academy director Dany Zamir told public radio.
Heavy civilian casualties during the three-week operation which ended in the blockaded coastal strip on 18 January provoked an international outcry.
Correspondents say the testimonies undermine Israel's claims that troops took care to protect non-combatants and accusations that Hamas militants were responsible for putting civilians into harm's way.
'Less important'
The Palestinian woman and two of her children were allegedly shot after they misunderstood instructions about which way to walk having been ordered out of their home by troops.
"The climate in general... I don't know how to describe it.... the lives of Palestinians, let's say, are much, much less important than the lives of our soldiers," an infantry squad leader is quoted saying.
In another cited case, a commander ordered troops to kill an elderly woman walking on a road, even though she was easily identifiable and clearly not a threat.
Testimonies, which were given by combat pilots and infantry soldiers, also included allegations of unnecessary destruction of Palestinian property.
"We would throw everything out of the windows to make room and order. Everything... Refrigerators, plates, furniture. The order was to throw all of the house's contents outside," a soldier said.
One non-commissioned officer related at the seminar that an old woman crossing a main road was shot by soldiers.
"I don't know whether she was suspicious, not suspicious, I don't know her story… I do know that my officer sent people to the roof in order to take her out… It was cold-blooded murder," he said.
The transcript of the session for the college's Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course, which was held last month, appeared in a newsletter published by the academy.
Israeli human rights groups have criticised the military for failing to properly investigate violations of the laws of war in Gaza despite plenty of evidence of possible war crimes.
'Moral army'
The soldiers' testimonies also reportedly told of an unusually high intervention by military and non-military rabbis, who circulated pamphlets describing the war in religious terminology.
"All the articles had one clear message," one soldier said. "We are the people of Israel, we arrived in the country almost by miracle, now we need to fight to uproot the gentiles who interfere with re-conquering the Holy Land."
"Many soldiers' feelings were that this was a war of religion," he added.
Defence Minister Ehud Barak told Israel Radio that the findings would be examined seriously.
"I still say we have the most moral army in the world. Of course there may be exceptions but I have absolutely no doubt this will be inspected on a case-by-case basis," he said.
Medical authorities say more than 1,300 Palestinians were killed during Israel's 22-day operation, including some 440 children, 110 women, and dozens of elderly people.
The stated aim was to curb rocket and mortar fire by militants from Gaza. Thirteen Israelis, including three civilians were killed.
Troops tell Gaza tales on T-shirts
Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:43:27 GMT
'1 shot, 2 kills'
Israeli troops have begun printing racist slogans and pictures on T-shirts, admitting to various 'war crimes' during the Gaza offensive.
After the recent war in Gaza, many Israeli soldiers have been ordering T-shirts and clothing with drawing and slogans printed on them which border racism.
The Israeli daily Haaretz reported that a T-shirt ordered by a sniper from the Givati Brigade's Shaked battalion showed a pregnant Palestinian woman with "a bull's-eye superimposed on her belly, with the slogan, in English, '1 shot, 2 kills."
Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques are among other pictures which are popular with soldiers.
The report added that some pictures and slogans underscore actions that the army officially denies committing like "confirming the kill" (shooting a bullet into an injured victim's head from close range)", damaging religious sites, or harming women and children.
The Israeli army, meanwhile, denies the existence of such slogans and drawings, claming certain pictures had been banned.
According to the report, a shirt for the Lavi battalion's soldiers bear the sentence "We came, we saw, we destroyed!" - "alongside images of weapons, an angry soldier and a Palestinian village with a ruined mosque in the center."
"There is a perception that the Palestinian is not a person, a human being entitled to basic rights, and therefore anything may be done to him," said Sociologist Dr. Orna Sasson-Levy, of Bar-Ilan University.
He believes that the phenomenon reflects a process of radicalization inside the Israeli society and soldiers are on the frontline of the process.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=89280§ionid=351020202
Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:43:27 GMT
'1 shot, 2 kills'
Israeli troops have begun printing racist slogans and pictures on T-shirts, admitting to various 'war crimes' during the Gaza offensive.
After the recent war in Gaza, many Israeli soldiers have been ordering T-shirts and clothing with drawing and slogans printed on them which border racism.
The Israeli daily Haaretz reported that a T-shirt ordered by a sniper from the Givati Brigade's Shaked battalion showed a pregnant Palestinian woman with "a bull's-eye superimposed on her belly, with the slogan, in English, '1 shot, 2 kills."
Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques are among other pictures which are popular with soldiers.
The report added that some pictures and slogans underscore actions that the army officially denies committing like "confirming the kill" (shooting a bullet into an injured victim's head from close range)", damaging religious sites, or harming women and children.
The Israeli army, meanwhile, denies the existence of such slogans and drawings, claming certain pictures had been banned.
According to the report, a shirt for the Lavi battalion's soldiers bear the sentence "We came, we saw, we destroyed!" - "alongside images of weapons, an angry soldier and a Palestinian village with a ruined mosque in the center."
"There is a perception that the Palestinian is not a person, a human being entitled to basic rights, and therefore anything may be done to him," said Sociologist Dr. Orna Sasson-Levy, of Bar-Ilan University.
He believes that the phenomenon reflects a process of radicalization inside the Israeli society and soldiers are on the frontline of the process.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=89280§ionid=351020202
The Givati soldier: "Usually the shirts undergo a selection process by some officer, but in this case, they were approved at the level of platoon sergeant. We ordered shirts for 30 soldiers and they were really into it, and everyone wanted several items and paid NIS 200 on average."
What do you think of the slogan that was printed?
"I didn't like it so much, but most of the soldiers wanted it."
- Haaretz
Ohh, so it's not just one soldier, but more. What a surprise.
I hope they all get bombed.
What do you think of the slogan that was printed?
"I didn't like it so much, but most of the soldiers wanted it."
- Haaretz
Ohh, so it's not just one soldier, but more. What a surprise.
I hope they all get bombed.
Troops tell Gaza tales on T-shirts
Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:43:27 GMT
'1 shot, 2 kills'
Israeli troops have begun printing racist slogans and pictures on T-shirts, admitting to various 'war crimes' during the Gaza offensive.
After the recent war in Gaza, many Israeli soldiers have been ordering T-shirts and clothing with drawing and slogans printed on them which border racism.
The Israeli daily Haaretz reported that a T-shirt ordered by a sniper from the Givati Brigade's Shaked battalion showed a pregnant Palestinian woman with "a bull's-eye superimposed on her belly, with the slogan, in English, '1 shot, 2 kills."
Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques are among other pictures which are popular with soldiers.
The report added that some pictures and slogans underscore actions that the army officially denies committing like "confirming the kill" (shooting a bullet into an injured victim's head from close range)", damaging religious sites, or harming women and children.
The Israeli army, meanwhile, denies the existence of such slogans and drawings, claming certain pictures had been banned.
According to the report, a shirt for the Lavi battalion's soldiers bear the sentence "We came, we saw, we destroyed!" - "alongside images of weapons, an angry soldier and a Palestinian village with a ruined mosque in the center."
"There is a perception that the Palestinian is not a person, a human being entitled to basic rights, and therefore anything may be done to him," said Sociologist Dr. Orna Sasson-Levy, of Bar-Ilan University.
He believes that the phenomenon reflects a process of radicalization inside the Israeli society and soldiers are on the frontline of the process.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=89280§ionid=351020202
Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:43:27 GMT
'1 shot, 2 kills'
Israeli troops have begun printing racist slogans and pictures on T-shirts, admitting to various 'war crimes' during the Gaza offensive.
After the recent war in Gaza, many Israeli soldiers have been ordering T-shirts and clothing with drawing and slogans printed on them which border racism.
The Israeli daily Haaretz reported that a T-shirt ordered by a sniper from the Givati Brigade's Shaked battalion showed a pregnant Palestinian woman with "a bull's-eye superimposed on her belly, with the slogan, in English, '1 shot, 2 kills."
Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques are among other pictures which are popular with soldiers.
The report added that some pictures and slogans underscore actions that the army officially denies committing like "confirming the kill" (shooting a bullet into an injured victim's head from close range)", damaging religious sites, or harming women and children.
The Israeli army, meanwhile, denies the existence of such slogans and drawings, claming certain pictures had been banned.
According to the report, a shirt for the Lavi battalion's soldiers bear the sentence "We came, we saw, we destroyed!" - "alongside images of weapons, an angry soldier and a Palestinian village with a ruined mosque in the center."
"There is a perception that the Palestinian is not a person, a human being entitled to basic rights, and therefore anything may be done to him," said Sociologist Dr. Orna Sasson-Levy, of Bar-Ilan University.
He believes that the phenomenon reflects a process of radicalization inside the Israeli society and soldiers are on the frontline of the process.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=89280§ionid=351020202
I am not saying that this article is false, but the website it comes from is an Iranian national site, which has some government controlled media.
Bit of a conflict of interest.
Israel army 'used human shields'
United Nations investigators have accused the Israeli army of using an 11-year-old boy as a human shield during its recent Gaza offensive.
Their report says troops ordered the boy to walk in front of them for several hours under fire, entering buildings and opening suspect packages.
The UN team responsible for protection of children in war zones says it found "hundreds" of similar violations.
Israel has denied the charges, saying morals are "paramount" in its army.
Israel's ambassador to the UN criticised the report as "unable or perhaps unwilling" to address attacks against its civilians by Palestinian militants.
The lead investigator, Sri Lankan lawyer Radhika Coomaraswamy, said the incident with the boy in the Gaza neighbourhood of Tel al-Hawa on 15 January was a violation of Israeli and international law.
The report... wilfully ignores and downplays the terrorist and other threats we face
Aharon Leshno Yaar
Israeli Ambassador
Her report also accuses Israeli soldiers of shooting Palestinian children, bulldozing a home with a woman and child still inside, and shelling a building they had ordered civilians into a day earlier.
She cited the case of one family where the father was ordered out of his home and shot. Soldiers then fired on the family inside, killing one child and wounding the mother and three children.
She added that her report contained "just a few examples of the hundreds of incidents" that had been verified by UN officials in the Gaza Strip.
Ethic standards
An Israeli military spokesman dismissed the UN findings as inaccurate and politically motivated.
"We are an army to which morals and high ethical standards are paramount," Capt Elie Isaacson said.
"The report claims to examine Israel's actions while it wilfully ignores and downplays the terrorist and other threats we face," Ambassador Aharon Leshno Yaar told the UN's 47-nation Human Rights Council.
Ms Coomaraswamy, who is the secretary-general's special envoy for protecting children in armed conflict, said the UN is also investigating claims the Palestinian militant group Hamas used human shields during the three-week Gaza conflict.
Israel's military last week ordered an inquiry after some soldiers admitted killing unarmed Palestinian civilians during the operation which ended on 18 January.
Medical authorities say more than 1,300 Palestinians died in the Israeli offensive. It is not known how many of them were combatants belonging to militant groups.
The dead including some 440 children, 110 women, and dozens of elderly people. Israel has blamed Hamas for using civilians as human shields, which Hamas has denied.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7960824.stm
