So, are you calling for accepting a racist country that doesn't accept the others?
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Israeli-Palestinian conflict (20 Viewers)
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To Martin:
Where is the two-state Oslo agreement ? Israel kept their settlers in bay and still kept demolishing houses ? Isn't that a lie, do you see a second state called Palestine on the map somewhere? Aren't we still going on a lie that was based on the Zionist state called Israel ? That's the biggest one I can think of after at least after 50 years of what had happened.
Where is the two-state Oslo agreement ? Israel kept their settlers in bay and still kept demolishing houses ? Isn't that a lie, do you see a second state called Palestine on the map somewhere? Aren't we still going on a lie that was based on the Zionist state called Israel ? That's the biggest one I can think of after at least after 50 years of what had happened.
The way you explained that you are not being a hypocrite when it comes to a Jewish state.
It's simple, are you with religion you are with having religious states.
You are against religion, you are against religious states.
Language and other crap have nothing to do with my question.
Andries answered to the point but he even looked more of a hypocrite because he accepted an international decision that is against his own beliefs.
It's simple, are you with religion you are with having religious states.
You are against religion, you are against religious states.
Language and other crap have nothing to do with my question.
Andries answered to the point but he even looked more of a hypocrite because he accepted an international decision that is against his own beliefs.
Okay so if you choose to ignore most of what I said then of course you can draw a completely different conclusion. Am I against religious states? In general, yes, because it discriminates against other citizens who don't follow the same religion. In a broader sense also yes because "casually religious" people are made to follow the same religious based rules as the orthodox ones.
However, the whole point I was making is that Judaism is a religion, but the Jews are also a nationality group. And the two things are intimately linked in this case. Should a nationality group have the right to its own state? Yes. Should it be a religious state? No. There are people living in Israel who are not Jews, and they should not be made to live in a religious state.
How do you not get the difference between nation and religion?
However, the whole point I was making is that Judaism is a religion, but the Jews are also a nationality group. And the two things are intimately linked in this case. Should a nationality group have the right to its own state? Yes. Should it be a religious state? No. There are people living in Israel who are not Jews, and they should not be made to live in a religious state.
How do you not get the difference between nation and religion?
They are a nation, they have their own language and their own religion. There is a nation called Israel Jack, you can't ignore that, they are around for ages, and this is why I voted yes for them for having an own state, you want me to vote no? they should live as a second standard citizens world wide? how fair is that?
The question was tricky, whoever made the poll used the wrong word, I vote yes for Israeli's to have their own land, their own rules, their own culture and live it freely..
The question was tricky, whoever made the poll used the wrong word, I vote yes for Israeli's to have their own land, their own rules, their own culture and live it freely..
It's not quite against my own beliefs. I am sure that you noticed that my views in this thread can be categorised as pragmatic. Now I know that in most European countries it is said that religion cannot be something a state is built upon. I agree with that and so do most international organisations. It is however impossible to dissolve states that are built on religion. Which is why Saudi Arabia exists.
Now my point is that, if Saudi Arabia can exist, so can Israel. If it were in my power to dissolve Saudi Arabia, I would also dissolve Israel.
The only one looking like a hypocrite here is you, Jack. The timing of your question is peculiar to say the least.
Now my point is that, if Saudi Arabia can exist, so can Israel. If it were in my power to dissolve Saudi Arabia, I would also dissolve Israel.
The only one looking like a hypocrite here is you, Jack. The timing of your question is peculiar to say the least.