Israeli-Palestinian conflict (51 Viewers)

[CheSchifo!]

yes because that's something the whole entire world except the us and israel have agreed and decreed. Moreover it has nothing to do with reb's grandfather or some israeli kid and their entitlement to residency, the conflict is not about land it's about concepts some people here can never grasp; about the honorable the sacred and above all the Just. And regardless how long it will take those 3 will be recovered.

And Europe of course. Mighty damn shame, because we all know which countries really control international politics.

Alen, I think only historians can grasp the relativity of the "I was there first" argument. It's not just to throw out jews who have been living in Israel all their lives.

@Senor: the argument about the native population of America still holds. If you're so keen on this, ALL of the US should go back to them.

 

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[CheSchifo!]

Are you serious?


Andries.... seriously If you don't know the definition of a terrorist or the concept of this word don't bother. I can't blame you though.

But I would like to ask you one question and please answer me without going zig zag... Someone knocks your door, beats the shit out of you and your family (I wont even add the killing your family thing) and asks you to leave your OWN house and at the same-time threatens you with his pistol.

Would you surround?

What would you call these people? Taking your property and kicking you out?

Wouldn't you fight back to take what belongs to you?

Wouldn't you grab a knife to say the least to fight for your life and for your kids life?

Rab, that's an unfair question because it oversimplifies a much more complex situation. Like I said, if you use terror as a means to get to your goal, you're a terrorist, no matter what and how just your goal might be.

 

[CheSchifo!]

Imperialism and such just ain't the done thing anymore my friend. The circumstances may be similar, but the context has certainly changed. So yeah... wouldn't call that a fair comparison.

You're just worried you have to give your land back to the aboriginals.

Now there's an international disgrace.

 

[ReBeL]

One of Qassam heroes cuts Israeli radio broadcasting and threatens them in Hebrew that they will see the punishment for what they are doing in Gaza.


The news from Israel is that this thing has been repeated many times, and Israelis are so worried about the coming revenge and are starting to enquire about the feasibility of the stupid operation in Gaza.

 

[CheSchifo!]

One of Qassam heroes cuts Israeli radio broadcasting and threatens them in Hebrew that they will see the punishment for what they are doing in Gaza.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SLeM-z7KVU&eurl

The news from Israel is that this thing has been repeated many times, and Israelis are so worried about the coming revenge and are starting to enquire about the feasibility of the stupid operation in Gaza.

I very much doubt that they are so worried about the coming revenge. I do know that several important Israeli journalists have always opposed this war though.

 

[ReBeL]

Rab, that's an unfair question because it oversimplifies a much more complex situation. Like I said, if you use terror as a means to get to your goal, you're a terrorist, no matter what and how just your goal might be.

That is not oversimplification. That is exactly what happened.

 

[CheSchifo!]

That is not oversimplification. That is exactly what happened.

Hey, as long as you people keep focussing on this, you're making Israel stronger. Europe, the US and Israel all know that Israel isn't going anywhere. If your sole claim is that all Israelis should leave, you're going to lose this conflict. And lose badly.

A far better objective would be to demonstrate that the behaviour of Israel, in the state itself and in Gaza is unacceptable and that measures should be taken to drastically improve the quality of life of all Palestinians. That's an objective you can reach, you see.

 

[ReBeL]

Hey, as long as you people keep focussing on this, you're making Israel stronger. Europe, the US and Israel all know that Israel isn't going anywhere. If your sole claim is that all Israelis should leave, you're going to lose this conflict. And lose badly.

A far better objective would be to demonstrate that the behaviour of Israel, in the state itself and in Gaza is unacceptable and that measures should be taken to drastically improve the quality of life of all Palestinians. That's an objective you can reach, you see.

Since 1990 Madrid peace conference, Palestinians and Arabs in general chose the second option, but the result was that Israel was making use of time to impose its expansion on land by building settlements and the separation wall. So, the conclusion by Palestinians was that we offered a very generous offer by sacrificing our land which was occupied in 1948 without taking anything as compensation. The normal reaction is that Palestinian won't give the Israeli peace wherever they live unless Palestinians live in peace themselves.

 

[Alen]

Even Mr. Burke who claims he is a Zionist voted that Israel should not be where it lays.

Burke's votes make no sense to me. He thinks there should be a jewish country located somewhere in the world, but not where it is now.
If there should be a jewish country then its present location is exactly where it should be. No other location really makes any sense.

 

[ReBeL]

Simply, Andries, Palestinians have nothing to lose. SO, they should taste some of what we are living at since decades.

 

[CheSchifo!]

And where exactly would you put the Israelis?

Not to mention the HUGE international conflict that would rise. Jews all over the globe would see it as a nullification of the Holocaust. No, Israel has to exist.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

USA are building a Moon settlement.it will be ready in 2020.

 

[CheSchifo!]

USA are building a Moon settlement.it will be ready in 2020.

Not that I take this comment seriously, but I doubt that the settlement will be ready by then .

 

[ReBeL]

And where exactly would you put the Israelis?

Not to mention the HUGE international conflict that would rise. Jews all over the globe would see it as a nullification of the Holocaust. No, Israel has to exist.

I don't really care. Palestinians are not a group of "Mother Tereza"s to offer their land for free without being respected by the world. If the coward world cares that much about human rights, that world should interfere now to help Palestinians.

USA are building a Moon settlement.it will be ready in 2020.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

And Europe of course. Mighty damn shame, because we all know which countries really control international politics.

Alen, I think only historians can grasp the relativity of the "I was there first" argument. It's not just to throw out jews who have been living in Israel all their lives.

@Senor: the argument about the native population of America still holds. If you're so keen on this, ALL of the US should go back to them.

no europe, all of it actually, votes every year for that peace resolution; the only countries who dont are US, israel, Australia, and minnows like nauru


as for the native american, it's gross oversimplification to compare it to this- a far cry at a remotely passable argument at best. Wont get into it here.

 

[CheSchifo!]

I don't really care. Palestinians are not a group of "Mother Tereza"s to offer their land for free without being respected by the world. If the coward world cares that much about human rights, that world should interfere now to help Palestinians.

The coward world sees it more fit that Palestinians should suffer instead of almost all the globe. Right now it's a territorial conflict, if you force the Israelis to move out, it will be a global conflict.

 

[CheSchifo!]

no europe, all of it actually, votes every year for that peace resolution; the only countries who dont are US, israel, Australia, and minnows like nauru


as for the native american, it's gross oversimplification to compare it to this- a far cry at a remotely passable argument at best. Wont get into it here.

Of course Europe votes for a peace resolution. But that doesn't say that Europe wants all Israelis to simply leave.

No, it's not a gross oversimplification. There has just passed more time since and that's why you think the both situations aren't exactly the same.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

And where exactly would you put the Israelis?

Not to mention the HUGE international conflict that would rise. Jews all over the globe would see it as a nullification of the Holocaust. No, Israel has to exist.

enough with this holocaust shit, it has nothing to do with the subject, stop spamming

 

[CheSchifo!]

enough with this holocaust shit, it has nothing to do with the subject, stop spamming

My God, you really don't have a clue about the international response.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Of course Europe votes for a peace resolution. But that doesn't say that Europe wants all Israelis to simply leave.

No, it's not a gross oversimplification. There has just passed more time since and that's why you think the both situations aren't exactly the same.

no we were talking about 1967 borders peace which the whole arab world, along with hamas mind you, are calling for.