Israeli-Palestinian conflict (66 Viewers)
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The guy who got killed deserved to be killed is the opinion of some of the most important news papers over here though. Not so lovely as people make him out to be. But hey, Israel killed him, so he was great, right? I suppose you haven't really checked who he was?
Whether or not we're truly talking about a spy here is not yet established or at least I don't find any reliable news sources about it and I hate to use to use fishy news articles as in cases like this it's always difficult to know what actually happened.
Whether or not we're truly talking about a spy here is not yet established or at least I don't find any reliable news sources about it and I hate to use to use fishy news articles as in cases like this it's always difficult to know what actually happened.
I think their point is, without disrespect to either side; that since the war has no meaning and will never have a positive outcome then there is no reason to call them martyrs...
Am I right CheSchifo?
It's a cultural thing.
We can also argue for 100+ pages how one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. [Hamas, Hezballah etc.]
@ Schifo No matter how you try to convince us, the Arab perspective by default is that these innocent people are martyr's of war. Because we believe in a nation that is called Palestine. That's in theory, of course.
In practice? They can't even put their interests aside for an Arab summit.
Am I right CheSchifo?
It's a cultural thing.
We can also argue for 100+ pages how one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. [Hamas, Hezballah etc.]
@ Schifo No matter how you try to convince us, the Arab perspective by default is that these innocent people are martyr's of war. Because we believe in a nation that is called Palestine. That's in theory, of course.
In practice? They can't even put their interests aside for an Arab summit.
I think their point is, without disrespect to either side; that since the war has no meaning and will never have a positive outcome then there is no reason to call them martyrs...
Am I right CheSchifo?
It's a cultural thing.
We can also argue for 100+ pages how one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. [Hamas, Hezballah etc.]
No matter how you try to convince us, the Arab perspective by default is that these innocent people are martyr's of war. Because we believe in a nation that is called Palestine. That's in theory, of course.
In practice? They can't even put their interests aside for an Arab summit.
Am I right CheSchifo?
It's a cultural thing.
We can also argue for 100+ pages how one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. [Hamas, Hezballah etc.]
No matter how you try to convince us, the Arab perspective by default is that these innocent people are martyr's of war. Because we believe in a nation that is called Palestine. That's in theory, of course.
In practice? They can't even put their interests aside for an Arab summit.
Just a thought, from the article I posted earlier.
Two "Conspiracies" and why we're afraid of each other:
Israel fears their security, because they believe certain Arabs (and a Persian nut-case) wish to destroy them: With Hamas crowds and Hezballah crowds who chant "Death to Israel", accummulate arms etc.
Palestine / Lebanon / Syria believe Israel is still a Zionist movement that seeks to fulfill the prophecies of Theodore Herzl, and the dreams of David Ben-Gurion: To occupy an from the north the entire stretch from the Litani river (LEBANON) to the east (JORDAN) of the Transjordan, and to the western Sinai (EGYPT).
Sinai was lost in 1977 Camp David. South Leb was lost in 2000 thanks to Hezballah + Political pressure (even Israeli's admit invading Lebanon was a 'mistake' - though I find this very tongue-in-cheek and hard to believe).
There are alot of greater interests at stake, regionally speaking; so Israel has to maintain this power this at-all-costs attitude toward its neighbors.
Just rambling on with some thoughts........I don't know where we're going with this. I don't know if Obama's reign will change anything either.
Good night........
Two "Conspiracies" and why we're afraid of each other:
Israel fears their security, because they believe certain Arabs (and a Persian nut-case) wish to destroy them: With Hamas crowds and Hezballah crowds who chant "Death to Israel", accummulate arms etc.
Palestine / Lebanon / Syria believe Israel is still a Zionist movement that seeks to fulfill the prophecies of Theodore Herzl, and the dreams of David Ben-Gurion: To occupy an from the north the entire stretch from the Litani river (LEBANON) to the east (JORDAN) of the Transjordan, and to the western Sinai (EGYPT).
Sinai was lost in 1977 Camp David. South Leb was lost in 2000 thanks to Hezballah + Political pressure (even Israeli's admit invading Lebanon was a 'mistake' - though I find this very tongue-in-cheek and hard to believe).
There are alot of greater interests at stake, regionally speaking; so Israel has to maintain this power this at-all-costs attitude toward its neighbors.
Just rambling on with some thoughts........I don't know where we're going with this. I don't know if Obama's reign will change anything either.
Good night........
Just as a change in this thread, in the next link there is a song that is so popular in Hamas media these days. It consists of praying to God to save people from the enemies:
http://www.fileflyer.com/view/6fvOBBs
http://www.fileflyer.com/view/6fvOBBs
This is not "conspiracy theory", it is reality. The leaders of Israel are hardcore Zionists who have no regard for their neighbors whatsoever, so they will always have the burning, fetish like sensations of fulfilling their hero Herzl's dreams. And the way one can tell that Israel will not stop until their neighbors are wiped out is by simply looking at a map of Palestinian land lost since 1948 - it decreases every single half decade.
Governments have been known to stage attacks on themselves to justify certain actions, and that probably is the case right now with these rogue "Lebanese rockets" that nobody has taken responsibility for. Another incentive to attack Lebanon again and take control of more land there is for petroleum purposes, where it would be easier to tap into the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline that is so coveted by the West. It was rumored that the 2006 bombing of Lebanon was due to the opening of the BTC pipeline, where individuals in the Israeli government were hoping for a "Greater Lebanon" that could secure more oil for their beloved nation. There are too many factors in place for them to cut back on their military expeditions, something aggressively supported by the military industrial complex.
If they haven't stopped yet, why would they stop now? There is more to come and nothing will end until one entity is destroyed.
On a related note, don't hope for much from Obama. Even myself, someone who voted for him, can see his picks for positions have been nothing short of ludicrous, surrounding himself with degenerate traitors and crisis instigators, so nothing will change, which is a major shame.
Governments have been known to stage attacks on themselves to justify certain actions, and that probably is the case right now with these rogue "Lebanese rockets" that nobody has taken responsibility for. Another incentive to attack Lebanon again and take control of more land there is for petroleum purposes, where it would be easier to tap into the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline that is so coveted by the West. It was rumored that the 2006 bombing of Lebanon was due to the opening of the BTC pipeline, where individuals in the Israeli government were hoping for a "Greater Lebanon" that could secure more oil for their beloved nation. There are too many factors in place for them to cut back on their military expeditions, something aggressively supported by the military industrial complex.
If they haven't stopped yet, why would they stop now? There is more to come and nothing will end until one entity is destroyed.
On a related note, don't hope for much from Obama. Even myself, someone who voted for him, can see his picks for positions have been nothing short of ludicrous, surrounding himself with degenerate traitors and crisis instigators, so nothing will change, which is a major shame.
I wouldnt take the chance. The rockets that were shot from south Lebanon into Israel DEFENITELY reeks of false flag, meaning a staged action of a faction that want to start an invasion by inventing a "they attacked us" scenario. You would be astounded how common such a thing is.
I'm not usually much for paranoid stuff, but that little event is very suspicious IMO. Not a good sign for things to come, I remember suspicious signs, and shady rhetorics by Israeli officials 2 years ago some month before they invaded you. Remember my international relations mentionning the signs and shift in obsecure rhetorics to look for when a state is preparing aggressive action, and he took Israel's two invasions of Lebanon as example. It was bit freaky.