Israeli-Palestinian conflict (87 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

Palestinians should have their own state,

Until this happens, everything else in there is irrelevant. You're judging people that have been under occupation for decades as if they were and are an independent state in charge of their own future. To be clear I don't think you intended for it to be this way, but until that happens then these discussions are disingenuous and honestly just don't make much sense.

 

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[BayernFan]

Hamas does not speak for all Palestinians, but when you're abandoned, even the devil can seem like a hero. These people have nothing to live for, countless family and friends dead, a disproportionate number of dead women and children, then you're showing some kids who know nothing but death.

You didn't analyse the article properly, deep dive into what is being said. It's justification for killing kids and literally saying that a child made an orphan from Gaza is a future threat. Israel will never bring peace to the Middle East, they love the chaos and seem to be the only country to gain from it.

The rebel movement in Syria is going to be a problem for Israel now, let's see how they and the US spin this one. There is something different there and it might be a stretch to contain them.

Just as Hamas does not speak for all Palestinians, Netanyahu's right wing government does not speak for all Israelies. Another problem/error I see many on the Pro Palestinian side make is the lack of keeping the Palestinians accountable for their own actions. The Israelis left Gaza in 2005, but in stead of improving their life they went down this road.

This analogy of yours would make better sense in the West Bank where the occupation has been ongoing since 1967. Gaza is another case here. All those billions of aid went to Hamas terror infrastructure. Why the hell is that acceptable?

If you keep making only one side accountable, you'll never get a different result.



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Until this happens, everything else in there is irrelevant. You're judging people that have been under occupation for decades as if they were and are an independent state in charge of their own future. To be clear I don't think you intended for it to be this way, but until that happens then these discussions are disingenuous and honestly just don't make much sense.

No, it's not irrelevant. West Bank I agree with you, Gaza not.

The Gazans had every opportunity for choosing another part, in stead they chose the destructive way of Jihad. We can make all the excuses we want for going this direction, but it's what they chose.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

No, it's not irrelevant. West Bank I agree with you, Gaza not.

The Gazans had every opportunity for choosing another part, in stead they chose the destructive way of Jihad. We can make all the excuses we want for going this direction, but it's what they chose.

This is a tired argument that has already been had in this thread. Violently occupied people choose violent resistance, why is this surprising or unexpected?

 

[BayernFan]

This is a tired argument that has already been had in this thread. Violently occupied people choose violent resistance, why is this surprising or unexpected?

This is a very vague argument. Gaza has not been under Israeli occupation since 2005. And it's like you're avoiding this exact question. This logic applies way more to the West Bank.

Gaza had every opportunity to build a better future for themselves since the Isralies left for good in 2005, but they chose another route. These are just facts if we're honest.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

This is a very vague argument. Gaza has not been under Israeli occupation since 2005. And it's like you're avoiding this exact question. This logic applies way more to the West Bank.

Gaza had every opportunity to build a better future for themselves since the Isralies left for good in 2005, but they chose another route. These are just facts if we're honest.

Do they have control over the movement of their own people into and out of their land? Do they control imports and exports? How about even their own water supply? Are they allowed to defend themselves as Israelis take more land for settlements on an average day? Does this sound like independence to you? There is a word for it, and you've used it in your own post, but it's certainly not one I'm avoiding.

 

[BayernFan]

Do they have control over the movement of their own people into and out of their land? Do they control imports and exports? How about even their own water supply? Are they allowed to defend themselves as Israelis take more land for settlements on an average day? Does this sound like independence to you? There is a word for it, and you've used it in your own post, but it's certainly not one I'm avoiding.

Again, to my knowledge there's no settlements in Gaza prior to the war. And can you blame the Israelis for not trusting them?

We saw what happened on October 7th last year. So because someone controls your water supply, imports and exports you go on and do this?

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Again, to my knowledge there's no settlements in Gaza prior to the war. And can you blame the Israelis for not trusting them?

We saw what happened on October 7th last year. So because someone controls your water supply, imports and exports you go on and do this?

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

This is a very vague argument. Gaza has not been under Israeli occupation since 2005.

Violently occupied people choose violent resistance, why is this surprising or unexpected?

You keep talking about the West Bank, well how are they fairing? They have all of the same restrictions and raids that Gaza does, with the addition of also violently losing land to settlements so where does that leave us? What other choice do you now expect Palestinians to make for it to stop?

 

[icemaη]

You keep talking about the West Bank, well how are they fairing? They have all of the same restrictions and raids that Gaza does, with the addition of also violently losing land to settlements so where does that leave us? What other choice do you now expect Palestinians to make for it to stop?

Did West Bank exist before October 7th? I don't think it did. Did the world exist before October 7th? I have my doubts.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Did West Bank exist before October 7th? I don't think it did. Did the world exist before October 7th? I have my doubts.

Does that mean them two tiny little world wars some country caused are also forgotten?

 

[Vlad]

Again, to my knowledge there's no settlements in Gaza prior to the war. And can you blame the Israelis for not trusting them?

We saw what happened on October 7th last year. So because someone controls your water supply, imports and exports you go on and do this?

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

 

[BayernFan]

Does that mean them two tiny little world wars some country caused are also forgotten?

Germany technically didn't cause WW1. That was as much on the other powers.

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Truly repulsive videos indeed.

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Also I have a genuine question for you guys who seems to oppose Israel for whatever reason. Do you generally believe there should be no Jewish state? And if Israel shouldn't exist in it's current location, then where?

Pretty difficult to move the Jews now.

 

[Vlad]

Germany technically didn't cause WW1. That was as much on the other powers.

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Truly repulsive videos indeed.

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Also I have a genuine question for you guys who seems to oppose Israel for whatever reason. Do you generally believe there should be no Jewish state? And if Israel shouldn't exist in it's current location, then where?

Pretty difficult to move the Jews now.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Does that mean them two tiny little world wars some country caused are also forgotten?

I wouldn't say WWI was Germany's fault. Now, those rat fuck Austrians on the other hand...

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Germany technically didn't cause WW1. That was as much on the other powers.

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Truly repulsive videos indeed.

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Also I have a genuine question for you guys who seems to oppose Israel for whatever reason. Do you generally believe there should be no Jewish state? And if Israel shouldn't exist in it's current location, then where?

Pretty difficult to move the Jews now.

Elaborate on what you mean by this.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I wouldn't say WWI was Germany's fault. Now, those rat fuck Austrians on the other hand.

Always the austrians

 

[Seven]

I wouldn't say WWI was Germany's fault. Now, those rat fuck Austrians on the other hand...

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Elaborate on what you mean by this.

Sneaky motherfuckers. Chief nazi was Austrian too, yet somehow everyone puts it on Germany, while the Austrians prance around making tv shows about princess Sisi.

The Sound of Music is just adding insult to injury. No shame whatsoever.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

By the way, can anyone guess which nation that is "defending itself" is now currently invading Syria as well??

 

[icemaη]

By the way, can anyone guess which nation that is "defending itself" is now currently invading Syria as well??

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[Bjerknes]

Operation land grab of Golan Heights completed. On to the next Nazi takeover.

 

[BIG DADDY!!!]

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1868443529011495409?t=stLAMDsOJuz9JU4EEM3_Tw&s=19

 

[abstract]

Operation land grab of Golan Heights completed. On to the next Nazi takeover.

What exactly is the west's problem with Russia's land grab in Ukraine?