Israeli-Palestinian conflict (4 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
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They didn't respond with greater violence against a military mammoth which is absolutely armed to the teeth and even trains many US Police Departments (surprise surprise). All they had was a few hand weapons and stones in the main.
But of course, this means they're terrorists, because they dared, and still dare, to speak up and defend themselves.

Then you have those who are hell-bent on defending the mighty and powerful against the weak and downtrodden.
So according to you the weaker people have the right to use weapons and should be called as saints while the strong nation should put up with everything because they are stronger and have no right in defending itself.
According to you strong is terrorist and weak is saint.. Nope thats not how it goes..

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Of course, because it's in our best interest, just like having those capabilities is in Iran's. I'm not faulting them for that, It's their right to try and ours to stop it




Absolutely not true, you are just making very false equivalence since Israel never threatened the existence of Iran. Every country being threatened has a right to defend it's interest in accordance to UN rules. Having a nuclear weapons is irrelevant. I guess US, France and the UK should disarm before asking N.Korea to stop its nuclear plans, or they are also unreasonable?

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Also lets be very honest here, Israel will never, ever disarm its nuclear weapons, so even the purposion you are making is a pure fantasy.
The problem with his post is his reference that Israel is the violent that harms the saints..
Every other country would wipe the Palestinians of the earth and no one would even care but since its Israel (and despite not doing what many other countries would do) Israel is being called the bully because they are stronger and lots of countries hates jews..
Should it be another country instead of Israel they would wipe out the entire Palestinians and people wouldnt have even criticise them (Im not saying this is what that needs to be done - I just say because its Israel people criticise first and then listen if they even do that..)
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
2,369
So according to you the weaker people have the right to use weapons and should be called as saints while the strong nation should put up with everything because they are stronger and have no right in defending itself.
According to you strong is terrorist and weak is saint.. Nope thats not how it goes..

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The problem with his post is his reference that Israel is the violent that harms the saints..
Every other country would wipe the Palestinians of the earth and no one would even care but since its Israel (and despite not doing what many other countries would do) Israel is being called the bully because they are stronger and lots of countries hates jews..
Should it be another country instead of Israel they would wipe out the entire Palestinians and people wouldn't have even criticise them (Im not saying this is what that needs to be done - I just say because its Israel people criticise first and then listen if they even do that..)
Listen, we shouldn't hold it against anyone who support the palestinians, if we are honest we both would probably do the same if we weren't Israeli. Don't take it personally or as an attack on our values.

Rooting for the weak is an almost involuntary response in today world, we are all thought from a young age to stand up for the weak and the oppressed. Every heroic story we tell as people is always about the underdog defeating the strong, from David and Goliath to Robin hood and the Alamo, look at almost every movie ever made and you will see that.

I mean Israel was overwhelmingly supported by both the left and the right in the west until the late 80's or so, there wasn't even a question regarding the legitimacy or support of Israel beside the fringes of politics, ask yourself what changed? did Israel became more bloodthirsty or the palestinians suddenly abandoned armed resistance? Nope.

Two things happened, Israel solidified its position as a regional power so it was no longer to be viewed as the "weak" side in the Israeli-arab conflict, which leads to the second thing. Since the arab countries abandoned the Palestinians it was no longer viewed as a Israeli-Arab conflict which was the case before then, the whole conflict became lopsided with a clear strong/weak division of roles. I believe the arab countries did this on purpose since they knew they can't defeat Israel militarily but that's another story. The roles just suddenly flipped on us, while mentally we still view ourselves as the weak.

People who live half the world away, on a different planet to ours basically, have their own life, issues and cares to worry about, mostly. they aren't as involved or know the fine details of the Israeli-palestinians conflict as we do, they don't know Israelis or the Palestinians either, just projecting on them predetermined roles in a play . People don't have the time to form an opinion, it's just easier to be on the "good" side while there isn't really one, just a matter of how you frame the story.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,502
The problem with his post is his reference that Israel is the violent that harms the saints..
Every other country would wipe the Palestinians of the earth and no one would even care but since its Israel (and despite not doing what many other countries would do) Israel is being called the bully because they are stronger and lots of countries hates jews..
Should it be another country instead of Israel they would wipe out the entire Palestinians and people wouldnt have even criticise them (Im not saying this is what that needs to be done - I just say because its Israel people criticise first and then listen if they even do that..)
Both 'other countries would commit genocide and the world wouldn't react' and an antisemitic argument. Oh dear..
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
12,146
The problem with his post is his reference that Israel is the violent that harms the saints..
Every other country would wipe the Palestinians of the earth and no one would even care but since its Israel (and despite not doing what many other countries would do) Israel is being called the bully because they are stronger and lots of countries hates jews..
Should it be another country instead of Israel they would wipe out the entire Palestinians and people wouldnt have even criticise them (Im not saying this is what that needs to be done - I just say because its Israel people criticise first and then listen if they even do that..)
This is a contender for the most stupid post of the year.

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Both 'other countries would commit genocide and the world wouldn't react' and an antisemitic argument. Oh dear..
:lol: bolded the exact same parts
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
2,369
He even repeated that genocide thing twice to make sure everyone gets the delusion.

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Why not?
Because it's understandable.

It's a really complicated topic, but in short jews in general think that the world didn't help them during the holocaust, which is basically true. Hence if the world didn't care about the Jewish genocide as it happened why would it care about the palestinians one, unless of course it's been done by Jews. I don't agree or think it holds today but you can make that correlation

Whether you agree with the assertion above about the Jewish genocide or not, It's not rational thinking anyway since the world changed alot since but the Jewish persecuted mentality hasn't. All things considering that might take a while

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Also if you read my response to him you will see that even before I responded to you I mentioned how the Jews are still stuck in the "weak" and oppressed mentality
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,502
It's a really complicated topic, but in short jews in general think that the world didn't help them during the holocaust, which is basically true.
Liek lol what? There was a wee war going on during the holocaust.

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FFS :lol2:

I thought he couldn't get any worse than his in/out transfer thread posts... and then he entered the political discourse with that atrocity.
:eek:rgut:
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
2,369
Liek lol what? There was a wee war going on during the holocaust.

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:eek:rgut:
The first steps to the holocaust started way before the war when no one wanted to accept Jewish immigrants, We can argue on that and many historians do till this day so there won't be much we can add to the discussion. Even so you think losing almost half of your total ethnicity world-wide makes you assess things rationally?

Regardless that is just totally irrelevant to my point, I just said how Jews perceived it nothing more.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
12,146
Because it's understandable.

It's a really complicated topic, but in short jews in general think that the world didn't help them during the holocaust, which is basically true. Hence if the world didn't care about the Jewish genocide as it happened why would it care about the palestinians one, unless of course it's been done by Jews. I don't agree or think it holds today but you can make that correlation

Whether you agree with the assertion above about the Jewish genocide or not, It's not rational thinking anyway since the world changed alot since but the Jewish persecuted mentality hasn't. All things considering that might take a while

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Also if you read my response to him you will see that even before I responded to you I mentioned how the Jews are still stuck in the "weak" and oppressed mentality
Well, this "us vs them" mentality is something I expect from uneducated mass of Trump supporters, but not from a country with second highest post-secondary educated population. That's why they should be blamed.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
2,369
Well, this "us vs them" mentality is something I expect from uneducated mass of Trump supporters, but not from a country with second highest post-secondary educated population. That's why they should be blamed.
Don't think it's fair at all, Even with a doctorate someone can suffer a PTSD. It would be like blaming a veteran that he can't cope.

2,000 years of prosecution effect the very fabric of a nation or however you want to call Jews. We aren't talking about ancient history either, 6 mil dead less then a 100 years ago, it's basically nothing in historical timeline and ethnicities, jews especially, have a much longer memory then indivduales.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
12,146
Don't think it's fair at all, Even with a doctorate someone can suffer a PTSD. It would be like blaming a veteran that he can't cope.

2,000 years of prosecution effect the very fabric of a nation or however you want to call Jews. We aren't talking about ancient history either, 6 mil dead less then a 100 years ago, it's basically nothing in historical overview and ethnicities, jews especially, have a much longer memory then indivduales.
We're living 70 years after Holocaust, and at some point this society, which touts itself as an oasis in the middle east desert of violence should move on. I understand what you're saying though but honestly I don't give them a pass.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
2,369
We're living 70 years after Holocaust, and at some point this society, which touts itself as an oasis in the middle east desert of violence should move on. I understand what you're saying though but honestly I don't give them a pass.
:tup:

Again, 70 years is nothing imo, we are still talking about my own grandparents. But regardless I agree with you 100%

And it's not about giving a pass, it's just about understanding things for what they are, the truth isn't some excuse. Every Israeli wants to move on so we can become a normal country, it might take another generation or two but i believe we will get there. That's the whole purpose of Israel for us, we will never shed the "persecuted minority" mentality without it.
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Premium
Feb 20, 2016
19,396
So according to you the weaker people have the right to use weapons and should be called as saints while the strong nation should put up with everything because they are stronger and have no right in defending itself.
According to you strong is terrorist and weak is saint.. Nope thats not how it goes..

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The problem with his post is his reference that Israel is the violent that harms the saints..
Every other country would wipe the Palestinians of the earth and no one would even care but since its Israel (and despite not doing what many other countries would do) Israel is being called the bully because they are stronger and lots of countries hates jews..
Should it be another country instead of Israel they would wipe out the entire Palestinians and people wouldnt have even criticise them (Im not saying this is what that needs to be done - I just say because its Israel people criticise first and then listen if they even do that..)
Wow. We can tell by this post that you're a disgusting person
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,480
Because it's understandable.

It's a really complicated topic, but in short jews in general think that the world didn't help them during the holocaust, which is basically true. Hence if the world didn't care about the Jewish genocide as it happened why would it care about the palestinians one, unless of course it's been done by Jews. I don't agree or think it holds today but you can make that correlation

Whether you agree with the assertion above about the Jewish genocide or not, It's not rational thinking anyway since the world changed alot since but the Jewish persecuted mentality hasn't. All things considering that might take a while

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Also if you read my response to him you will see that even before I responded to you I mentioned how the Jews are still stuck in the "weak" and oppressed mentality
How is that understandable? If anything, those who were wronged should be the last ones who would commit a similar wrong to a people who were not those who wronged them in the first place (hence there's no possibility of revenge). How is what he said in any way understandable?
 

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