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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    America's Dangerous Game at the UN


    The number of UN member states extending diplomatic recognition to the State of Palestine has now risen to 131, leaving only 62 UN member states on the wrong side of history and humanity.

    If one ignores small island states in the Caribbean and the Pacific, almost all of the non-recognizers are Western states, including all five of the settler-colonial states founded on the ethnic cleansing or genocide of indigenous populations and all eight of the former European colonial powers.

    It appears that the current American strategy to defeat the State of Palestine's UN membership application is to try to deprive Palestine of the required nine affirmative votes in the Security Council by convincing all five European members (including Bosnia & Herzegovina, which has recognized the State of Palestine) and Colombia (the only South American state which has not recognized the State of Palestine) to abstain, leaving only eight affirmative votes and thus making America's lone negative vote not technically a "veto".

    Even though everyone knows that the Security Council would approve Palestinian membership unanimously if the United States announced its support, the explanation and expectation behind this strategy is, apparently, that, in the absence of a "veto", no one would notice America's fingerprints all over this result, no one (notably in the Arab and Muslim worlds) would be outraged by America's blocking of Palestine's membership application and Mahmoud Abbas and his colleagues would crawl back into the hamster cage from which they have so recently and dramatically escaped, duly chastened and docile, and resume running mindlessly on the Israeli-American exercise wheel.

    This is not simply a breathtakingly naïve strategy but an extraordinarily dangerous one -- and not only because the Ramallah leadership, having experienced enlightenment and a spine transplant, has also recovered its self-respect and human dignity and will not be crawling back into its cage.

    An American veto would be neither a big deal nor a bad thing. It would unequivocally confirm the sad and humiliating reality, now almost universally recognized, that the United States of America is enslaved to Israel, paying tribute and taking orders. By doing so, an American veto would definitively disqualify the United States from playing any significant role in any genuine Middle East "peace process" which would replace the fraudulent one which the United States has been controlling and manipulating on Israel's behalf for the past 20 years and, thereby, would finally give peace a chance.

    Indeed, since state observer status would confer on the State of Palestine virtually all the same benefits as member state status (most importantly, right of access to the International Criminal Court, where it could sue Israelis for war crimes, including settlement building, and crimes against humanity), an American veto in the Security Council followed by an upgrade to state observer status by the General Assembly might actually be the most constructive possible result for Palestine -- even better than full UN membership with American acquiescence but with the United States maintaining its monopoly stranglehold on any "peace process".

    One might then realistically hope that the new emerging international force, the "BRICS" countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa -- all current members of the Security Council which have recognized the State of Palestine and are on record as planning to vote for Palestinian membership), and the European Union could jointly mobilize the true international community behind a genuine and urgent effort to actually achieve peace with some measure of justice.

    On the other hand, America's unanimous European abstention strategy, if successful, would have catastrophic consequences. While the Arab and Muslim worlds have learned to expect the worst from the United States, they have, at least until now, maintained some hope that Europe is not their enemy. If Palestine's membership application were to be defeated by a united Western front, the world would be confronted by a fundamental clash of the "West against the Rest", resurrecting memories of the most arrogant and contemptuous periods of Western imperialism and colonialism and confirming the belief, already widespread in the Arab and Muslim worlds, that the Judeo-Christian world is at war with the Muslim world.

    Of course, it is within the power of one man to prevent this ugly scenario from playing out. Are the prospects of a few more votes for himself and less campaign money for his eventual Republican opponent really more important to America's multi-racial president than preventing a long-running clash of civilizations, cultures, races and religions and permitting -- indeed, promoting -- progress toward a more peaceful, just and harmonious world?

    The world should find out in the coming weeks.

    By John V. Whitbeck
    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=17144
     

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    ReBeL

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    ßöмßäяðîëя;3283086 said:
    FORZA PALESTINE!

    Forza giving Israel back and moving it to North Dakota.
    It is one of North Dakota inhabitants' rights to decide how they want to live regardless how aliens think.
     
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    ReBeL

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    ßöмßäяðîëя;3283270 said:
    North Dakota has inhabitants?
    Of course, it has. Only colonialists have been claiming that any land is empty just to justify their greed.
     

    Vinman

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    The UN is a joke....it doesnt matter if its a unaninmous vote, Palestine still has to negotiate with Israel. Good luck with the UN sending troops to help the cause, everyone has seen the results of that in the past
     

    king Ale

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    Iran Slams Two-state Solution for Palestinians

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said the Palestinians should not limit themselves to seeking a country based on the pre-1967 borders - which would implicitly recognize Israel - because "all land belongs to Palestinians."

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has asked the U.N. Security Council to recognize an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza Strip - areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war.

    Israel and the U.S. oppose the U.N. bid, saying there is no substitute for direct negotiations. But with Israel continuing to build settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, Abbas says there is no point in talking.

    Iran doesn't recognize Israel and considers it an archenemy.

    Khamenei, who spoke at a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran, once again called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that should be removed.

    Iran supports the militant Palestinian Hamas group, which rules Gaza and which does not back the statehood bid pushed by Abbas and his Western-backed Fatah.

    "Our claim is freedom of Palestine, not part of Palestine. Any plan that partitions Palestine is totally rejected," Khamenei told the gathering. "Palestine spans from the river (Jordan) to the sea (Mediterranean), nothing less."

    Khamenei claimed that a two state solution would mean "giving in to the demand of the Zionists" and that it would "trample the rights of the Palestinian people" to live on their land.

    The conference was attended by senior Palestinian militant leaders, including Syria-based Hamas chief Khaled Mashaal, who told the gathering that "resistance" was the only option left for the Palestinians.

    "Palestinians must resort to resistance no matter how costly it is, until Palestine is free and Israel is destroyed," Mashaal said.

    Mashaal's comments could potentially undermine Abbas' U.N. bid and stall talks between the rival Palestinian factions on power-sharing. The talks were expected to resume in the coming week.

    Abbas and Fatah favor a negotiated peace deal with Israel, while Hamas is sworn to Israel's destruction. Israel has warned Abbas it will not negotiate with any Palestinian government that includes Hamas.
     
    Jul 1, 2010
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    Iran Slams Two-state Solution for Palestinians

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said the Palestinians should not limit themselves to seeking a country based on the pre-1967 borders - which would implicitly recognize Israel - because "all land belongs to Palestinians."

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has asked the U.N. Security Council to recognize an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza Strip - areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war.

    Israel and the U.S. oppose the U.N. bid, saying there is no substitute for direct negotiations. But with Israel continuing to build settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, Abbas says there is no point in talking.

    Iran doesn't recognize Israel and considers it an archenemy.

    Khamenei, who spoke at a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran, once again called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that should be removed.

    Iran supports the militant Palestinian Hamas group, which rules Gaza and which does not back the statehood bid pushed by Abbas and his Western-backed Fatah.

    "Our claim is freedom of Palestine, not part of Palestine. Any plan that partitions Palestine is totally rejected," Khamenei told the gathering. "Palestine spans from the river (Jordan) to the sea (Mediterranean), nothing less."

    Khamenei claimed that a two state solution would mean "giving in to the demand of the Zionists" and that it would "trample the rights of the Palestinian people" to live on their land.

    The conference was attended by senior Palestinian militant leaders, including Syria-based Hamas chief Khaled Mashaal, who told the gathering that "resistance" was the only option left for the Palestinians.

    "Palestinians must resort to resistance no matter how costly it is, until Palestine is free and Israel is destroyed," Mashaal said.

    Mashaal's comments could potentially undermine Abbas' U.N. bid and stall talks between the rival Palestinian factions on power-sharing. The talks were expected to resume in the coming week.

    Abbas and Fatah favor a negotiated peace deal with Israel, while Hamas is sworn to Israel's destruction. Israel has warned Abbas it will not negotiate with any Palestinian government that includes Hamas.
    What do you think about Khamenei's statement?
     

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