Israeli-Palestinian conflict (52 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

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  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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This is exactly what you are doing in the name of Jews. You're asking the key to my house, because you want to install a Jew there. It is plain wrong. What you want to do is appalling and an insult to whatever justice you claim to achieve.
I want an answer to this question. How is justice achieved for the Europeans who will have to move because of the grand return of the Jews? And how will justice be achieved for the people who will have to move for the Europeans that were forced to leave their homes?

It's an easy question and since you guys know all about justice and law, I'm really looking forward to reading your answers :).
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    It's not recent. Recent would be 2003. Not 1948.
    People who were robbed are still alive and suffering. They are not sitting somewhere in Botswana hunting lions. They have been waiting for going back and struggling in the refugee camps since they were forced out of their houses.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    People who were robbed are still alive and suffering. They are not sitting somewhere in Botswana hunting lions. They have been waiting for going back and struggling in the refugee camps since they were forced out of their houses.
    I want an answer to my question.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
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    I want an answer to my question.
    Ok, Jews lived in X houses before 60 years.

    Europeans forced them to leave and lived at these houses.

    Do you want me to feel pity for those who stole Jews houses when they were forced to leave because they will be thrown to the streets now? Grow up.
     

    Azzurri7

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    Dec 16, 2003
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    You're proud of the Palestinians for not giving up? I'm proud of the Jews. They returned after hundreds of years. You're wrong about the theory by the way. It's like a watch that has been stolen over and over again. Imagine you stole it from someone 40 years ago. Someone else stole it from you 30 years ago and I stole it from that someone 20 years ago. Now you stole it from me 20 years ago.

    According to your morals it would have to go back to the very first owner. Well then, trace him back.
    Proud of what exactly? Proud of the massacres? Or Proud of their criminal historical records that even Hitler, Saddam and Stalin combined are little turtles comparing to them? What exactly are you proud of? That it took Hundreds of thousands of lives so that they can sit their butts somewhere which isn't their land?


    As for the watch example.....No comment. I would embarrass myself to respond to such an example.
     

    Azzurri7

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    According to your morals it would have to go back to the very first owner. Well then, trace him back.
    And the first owners are the Palestinians. Unless we're still living in the Romans or Phoenicians time. Or If there's a Roman Empire State somewhere in this world that I'm not aware of.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
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    These pictures are from Shati Refugee Camp in Gaza Strip yesterday where people go to UNRWA offices on a monthly basis since 1948 to get their share of food aid. Seven want these people to soap it and be satisfied with their current great life, and let the Zionist enjoy living in their houses...







































     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
    39,346
    Ok, Jews lived in X houses before 60 years.

    Europeans forced them to leave and lived at these houses.

    Do you want me to feel pity for those who stole Jews houses when they were forced to leave? Grow up.
    Okay... this of course would mean that the ones who stole the"Jew houses" came from somewhere else. After all, they had to live somewhere. So you're suggesting that they should move back. Fair enough, I understand your point, you have to go back to where you came from. So the Europeans go back. Nice.

    But damn! There are people there! How can this be??? Well, there's an easy solution for that too. The Europeans used to be there, so these people will just have to move to wherever they came from. So they do. Everything seems to work out just fine, but DAMN!!! there are people there too!!! No problem you say, we can solve that problem too. You see, these people too have to move to where they came from... but wait.. no.. this can't be??? No??? It is?? DAMNNNNN they're from EUROPE!!! This means that the Jews will have to go to the place they were from before they ever came to Europe... which means.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.. They have to go back to Israel.

    Nice, Reb.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    And the first owners are the Palestinians. Unless we're still living in the Romans or Phoenicians time. Or If there's a Roman Empire State somewhere in this world that I'm not aware of.
    No no no. I'm talking about the first owner. Not about the first owner since 1500 or the first owner since 1948. The first owner.

    I've got a clue for you: they weren't Palestinians and they weren't Jews.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Okay... this of course would mean that the ones who stole the"Jew houses" came from somewhere else. After all, they had to live somewhere. So you're suggesting that they should move back. Fair enough, I understand your point, you have to go back to where you came from. So the Europeans go back. Nice.

    But damn! There are people there! How can this be??? Well, there's an easy solution for that too. The Europeans used to be there, so these people will just have to move to wherever they came from. So they do. Everything seems to work out just fine, but DAMN!!! there are people there too!!! No problem you say, we can solve that problem too. You see, these people too have to move to where they came from... but wait.. no.. this can't be??? No??? It is?? DAMNNNNN they're from EUROPE!!! This means that the Jews will have to go to the place they were from before they ever came to Europe... which means.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.. They have to go back to Israel.

    Nice, Reb.
    No no no. I'm talking about the first owner. Not about the first owner since 1500 or the first owner since 1948. The first owner.

    I've got a clue for you: they weren't Palestinians and they weren't Jews.
    Read this book, you ignorant, then come here and tell me who were there before:

    The Invention of Ancient Israel, The Silencing of Palestinian History
    By Keith Whitelam

    And no, Keith is not Palestinian to say things that are biased to us.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    Read this book, you ignorant, then come here and tell me who were there before:

    The Invention of Ancient Israel, The Silencing of Palestinian History
    By Keith Whitelam

    And no, Keith is not Palestinian to say things that are biased to us.
    You still haven't answered my question you know. You have said that you wouldn't care about the injustice though. Fuck the Europeans, right?

    But then you are claiming that there should be justice for the Palestinians...

    is that.. racism?
     
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    ReBeL

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    You still haven't answered my question you know. You have said that you wouldn't care about the injustice though. Fuck the Europeans, right?

    But then you are claiming that there should be justice for the Palestinians...

    is that.. racism?
    When X (Europeans) steal the land from Y (Israelis) and kill them, that is not fair.

    When Y (Israelis) steal the land from Z (Palestinians) and kill them, that is also not fair.

    When I'm asking Y to leave Z's land, it will bring justice back. And when I'm asking X to leave Y's land, it will bring justice back too.

    You are here crying because that will be on behalf of the orginial thieves who stole Zionist lands, (Europeans). And the coincidence is that you are a European.

    Who is the racist, Mr. Ethical?
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    When X (Europeans) steal the land from Y (Israelis) and kill them, that is not fair.

    When Y (Israelis) steal the land from Z (Palestinians) and kill them, that is also not fair.

    When I'm asking Y to leave Z's land, it will bring justice back. And when I'm asking X to leave Y's land, it will bring justice back too.

    You are here crying because that will be on behalf of the orginial thieves who stole Zionist lands, (Europeans). And the coincidence is that you are a European.

    Who is the racist, Mr. Ethical?
    You've got to be kidding me. That way we go back and back and back and back and back in time. Eventually we will all be living in Africa.

    Also, I'm going to ask you this simple question:

    if I have to leave my home, to make way for a Jew, who had to move to give you your home back, would you consider that justice?
     
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    ReBeL

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    You've got to be kidding me. That way we go back and back and back and back and back in time. Eventually we will all be living in Africa.

    Also, I'm going to ask you this simple question:

    if I have to leave my home, to make way for a Jew, who had to move to give you your home back, would you consider that justice?
    I'm talking about their exact houses and lands. If your house was 60 years ago owned by a Jewish who was forced to leave, then you have to give it BACK to him, because the injustice is keeping it while a Palestinian is suffering because of your bad treatment for the Jews.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    I'm talking about their exact houses and lands. If your house was 60 years ago owned by a Jewish who was forced to leave, then you have to give it BACK to him, because the injustice is keeping it while a Palestinian is suffering because of your bad treatment for the Jews.
    70% of their exact houses will be gone. Of the houses that are still there 90% will have been sold to someone else. This other someone will have paid a just price for the house. Now you're telling me he should leave?

    You also have to remember that there are more people now than there were back in the day. This presents us yet another practical problem.

    No, this hasn't got anything to do with justice. This is about you saying that the Palestinians are more worthy than Europeans. And that's racism.
     
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    ReBeL

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    70% of their exact houses will be gone. Of the houses that are still there 90% will have been sold to someone else. This other someone will have paid a just price for the house. Now you're telling me he should leave?

    You also have to remember that there are more people now than there were back in the day. This presents us yet another practical problem.

    No, this hasn't got anything to do with justice. This is about you saying that the Palestinians are more worthy than Europeans. And that's racism.
    I never said that. I said that the criminal should be punished for what he did even if after decades regardless if you see all Europeans infallible.

    ِThe crime is still valid and hurts. Prescription is not the solution. Even if you force yourself not to see what happens in Palestine, that won't solve anything. It will just convert you into another ostrich but the tragedy will continue until justice prevails.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    I never said that. I said that the criminal should be punished for what he did even if after decades regardless if you see all Europeans infallible.

    ِThe crime is still valid and hurts. Prescription is not the solution. Even if you force yourself not to see what happens in Palestine, that won't solve anything. It will just convert you into another ostrich but the tragedy will continue until justice prevails.
    That's not what you said. You said the Jews should go back to where they came from. I'm showing you why that's moronic statement to make. You haven't answered a single one of my objections.
     

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