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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Helen Thomas: Jews, go back to Poland


WASHINGTON - Veteran White House Correspondent Helen Thomas has provoked a storm in the US after saying the Jews must "get the hell out of Palestine" and "go home" to Germany or Poland.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899361,00.html

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She always had great principles and she defended Arabs and their cases when they were not defending themselves. Anyway, a huge problem occurred in USA to fire her from her job and she decided to retire today...


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Helen, you were always a pride for us, and you will be always a pride.
You know what's in Poland ;)? The woman is insane.
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Auschwitz

    Woman's point obviously wasn't this though
    Jews lived there for centuries. Auschwitz was an extraordinary event that should not forbid Jews from living where they used to live all these years.

    I'm just saying that deporting millions of Jews to Poland doesn't appear to be a great idea.
    I don't see any problem. Does the current Polish people hate Jews that much and won't accept them to regain their properties?
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    Jews lived there for centuries. Auschwitz was an extraordinary event that should not forbid Jews from living where they used to live all these years.



    I don't see any problem. Does the current Polish people hate Jews that much and won't accept them to regain their properties?
    They lived in Israel for many, many years and they live there now too.

    Of course. What do you think they will do? "Ow I am sorry, this was your house 70 years ago? Well there ya go, mate. I'll just wander into the forests with my three little children in the middle of the Polish winter". Dear God. The audacity, ReBeL!
     
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    ReBeL

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    They lived in Israel for many, many years and they live there now too.

    Of course. What do you think they will do? "Ow I am sorry, this was your house 70 years ago? Well there ya go, mate. I'll just wander into the forests with my three little children in the middle of the Polish winter". Dear God. The audacity, ReBeL!
    The audacity is when you tell me that Jews can't go to their houses in Poland because somebody live there and in the same time they should stay in my house in Palestine.

    So, if I come to Belgium and force you of your house, are you planning to give me the keys and not ask for having it back ever in the future?
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    The audacity is when you tell me that Jews can't go to their houses in Poland because somebody live there and in the same time they should stay in my house in Palestine.

    So, if I come to Belgium and force you of your house, are you planning to give me the keys and not ask for having it back ever in the future?
    This is exactly what you are doing in the name of Jews. You're asking the key to my house, because you want to install a Jew there. It is plain wrong. What you want to do is appalling and an insult to whatever justice you claim to achieve.
     

    Azzurri7

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    Dec 16, 2003
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    This is exactly what you are doing in the name of Jews. You're asking the key to my house, because you want to install a Jew there. It is plain wrong. What you want to do is appalling and an insult to whatever justice you claim to achieve.
    You can't have justice when you're dealing with them from my own experience.
     
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    ReBeL

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    This is exactly what you are doing in the name of Jews. You're asking the key to my house, because you want to install a Jew there. It is plain wrong. What you want to do is appalling and an insult to whatever justice you claim to achieve.
    Fuck off. I want my house back even if I burn those living at it now. I don't care if this sounds just for you or not. You are just a great example for dual standards.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    This is exactly what you are doing in the name of Jews. You're asking the key to my house, because you want to install a Jew there. It is plain wrong. What you want to do is appalling and an insult to whatever justice you claim to achieve.
    You can't have justice when you're dealing with them from my own experience.
    What you certainly can't do is trying to create justice by bringing more injustice to more people. Besides, if we were to this everyone would have to move, because we all came from somewhere else. In the end all six billion of us would have to live in some part of Africa. Sounds like a grand idea! It'll be jolly good fun.

    Fuck off. I want my house back even if I burn those living at it now. I don't care if this sounds just for you or not. You are just a great example for dual standards.
    I think you just lost the discussion, ReB. Little frustrated, huh?
     

    icemaη

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    So Andries, what do you think should happen to the thousands of Palestinians still living in refugee camps in other countries?
     
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    ReBeL

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    What you certainly can't do is trying to create justice by bringing more injustice to more people. Besides, if we were to this everyone would have to move, because we all came from somewhere else. In the end all six billion of us would have to live in some part of Africa. Sounds like a grand idea! It'll be jolly good fun.



    I think you just lost the discussion, ReB. Little frustrated, huh?
    You are talking about Africa which is thousands of years ago. I'm talking about my house which was built by my father by his bare hands in 1966. You can't tell anybody who was forced from his house and is still alive that he should soap it and forget it because he should accept your type of justice which puts Jews in a higher place than anybody else in the world.

    Coming here and claiming that you are superior ethically is not correct.
     
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    ReBeL

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    icεmαή;2526200 said:
    So Andries, what do you think should happen to the thousands of Palestinians still living in refugee camps in other countries?
    He does not care. As long as Jews don't go back to his Europe, he is OK with being silent about the injustice.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    icεmαή;2526200 said:
    So Andries, what do you think should happen to the thousands of Palestinians still living in refugee camps in other countries?
    Well, we'll have to find a solution somehow. But the solution can't be to send all the Jews "back to where they came from". In most cases there is nothing for them there and the vast majority of the Jews living in Israel now have lived their all their lives, and thus they are effectively "from Israel". Furthermore everyone comes from somewhere, so it's a non-argument anyway.

    You are talking about Africa which is thousands of years ago. I'm talking about my house which was built by my father by his bare hands in 1966. You can't tell anybody who was forced from his house and is still alive that he should soap it and forget it because he should accept your type of justice which puts Jews in a higher place than anybody else in the world.

    Coming here and claiming that you are superior ethically is not correct.
    I'm finding it really hard not to insult you. You refuse to read my posts, you refuse to answer my arguments, but you insist on calling me racist. I also didn't claim I was ethically superior before, but I am doing it right here and right now. I'm not the racist, you are.

    You want to correct an injustice by creating an even bigger injustice for more people. It'll be wrong towards the Jews, it'll be wrong towards the Europeans who suddenly have to move out of their homes, it'll be wrong towards the people who have to make way for the Europeans who are now going back to wherever they came from and so fort.. It's really easy to understand, ReB. Everyone has to live somewhere and quite frankly, no, I am not giving my house away so you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd like.
     

    Azzurri7

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    What you certainly can't do is trying to create justice by bringing more injustice to more people. Besides, if we were to this everyone would have to move, because we all came from somewhere else. In the end all six billion of us would have to live in some part of Africa. Sounds like a grand idea! It'll be jolly good fun.
    You know something? Whoever comes up with this shows how much he lacks information and knows nothing about the current situation and the history of Palestine and what happened in 48 and 67.

    I keep reading this "They can't have their land back it's been sometimes and if that's the case then we all came from somewhere else". Bullshit. Come up with something else if you can't keep it up with the argument/debate.

    By this silly theory, I steal something very precious from you and if few months or few years passes without finding me or finding the object that I took from you, you make a phone call to Police declaring that you no longer want it because in time it has no value?


    Others might be happy with being refugees, immigrants etc... I'm proud of the Palestinians for not giving up and they shouldn't.

    If Lebanon was in Palestine's place then I wouldn't want a single Israeli in my fucking homeland or sitting in my fucking house. Because that's what my father left me and that's where my family should be raised. End of story.

    Don't tell me now but the Israeli's are there for over 50years now, so what??? It's time they realize that the land they're stepping on is not theirs and they should return from where they came. And trust me a Jewish wouldn't mind being spread all over the world. A Palestinian would, which makes you conclude that they're attached to their land.

    Palestine exists. Palestinians exists. Their home exists, they have no where else to go because that's their rights.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    You know something? Whoever comes up with this shows how much he lacks information and knows nothing about the current situation and the history of Palestine and what happened in 48 and 67.

    I keep reading this "They can't have their land back it's been sometimes and if that's the case then we all came from somewhere else". Bullshit. Come up with something else if you can't keep it up with the argument/debate.

    By this silly theory, I steal something very precious from you and if few months or few years passes without finding me or finding the object that I took from you, you make a phone call to Police declaring that you no longer want it because in time it has no value?


    Others might be happy with being refugees, immigrants etc... I'm proud of the Palestinians for not giving up and they shouldn't.

    If Lebanon was in Palestine's place then I wouldn't want a single Israeli in my fucking homeland or sitting in my fucking house. Because that's what my father left me and that's where my family should be raised. End of story.

    Don't tell me now but the Israeli's are there for over 50years now, so what??? It's time they realize that the land they're stepping on is not theirs and they should return from where they came. And trust me a Jewish wouldn't mind being spread all over the world. A Palestinian would, which makes you conclude that they're attached to their land.

    Palestine exists. Palestinians exists. Their home exists, they have no where else to go because that's their rights.
    You're proud of the Palestinians for not giving up? I'm proud of the Jews. They returned after hundreds of years. You're wrong about the theory by the way. It's like a watch that has been stolen over and over again. Imagine you stole it from someone 40 years ago. Someone else stole it from you 30 years ago and I stole it from that someone 20 years ago. Now you stole it from me 20 years ago.

    According to your morals it would have to go back to the very first owner. Well then, trace him back.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Well, we'll have to find a solution somehow. But the solution can't be to send all the Jews "back to where they came from". In most cases there is nothing for them there and the vast majority of the Jews living in Israel now have lived their all their lives, and thus they are effectively "from Israel". Furthermore everyone comes from somewhere, so it's a non-argument anyway.



    I'm finding it really hard not to insult you. You refuse to read my posts, you refuse to answer my arguments, but you insist on calling me racist. I also didn't claim I was ethically superior before, but I am doing it right here and right now. I'm not the racist, you are.

    You want to correct an injustice by creating an even bigger injustice for more people. It'll be wrong towards the Jews, it'll be wrong towards the Europeans who suddenly have to move out of their homes, it'll be wrong towards the people who have to make way for the Europeans who are now going back to wherever they came from and so fort.. It's really easy to understand, ReB. Everyone has to live somewhere and quite frankly, no, I am not giving my house away so you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd like.
    So, keep away from this thread because your stupid posts just show that your information about it are full of fantasy. Comparing a problem that is still recent with something happened thousands of years ago just shows that you are just here to provoke us, nothing else.
     

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