Yea we'll do that, any other requests IZ you know since me and Reb are Hamas and Fateh presidents here 
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Israeli-Palestinian conflict (41 Viewers)
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You're making even less sense than Juve Revolution now
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Yes and us Northern assholes as you put are still fighting for our freedom, we were not handed ours by the bravery of our great grand parents who fought a Guerrilla war angainst the British.
No sir our country was divided and we were left to the wolves and we've suffered while you set idly by and watched your fellow Irish men be murdered and treated like second class citizens in their own country.
We marched peacefully and were beatin of the streets by the police and Loyalists and still you did nothing.
You stood by as British soilders turned their guns on us and colluded with loyalist death squads.
You stood by as 10 brave men starved themselves to death for the right to be named political prisoners.
James Connelly must be turning in his grave for when the tricolour was raised above the GPO that Easter of 1916 Ireland was declared a free 32 County Republic, not 26.
This is a concept lost to you lot living in the free state.
We're still fighting to reunite this country and will continue to do so even if some of our fellow country men have surrendered that fight.
No sir our country was divided and we were left to the wolves and we've suffered while you set idly by and watched your fellow Irish men be murdered and treated like second class citizens in their own country.
We marched peacefully and were beatin of the streets by the police and Loyalists and still you did nothing.
You stood by as British soilders turned their guns on us and colluded with loyalist death squads.
You stood by as 10 brave men starved themselves to death for the right to be named political prisoners.
James Connelly must be turning in his grave for when the tricolour was raised above the GPO that Easter of 1916 Ireland was declared a free 32 County Republic, not 26.
This is a concept lost to you lot living in the free state.
We're still fighting to reunite this country and will continue to do so even if some of our fellow country men have surrendered that fight.
Indeed wrong happens from humans, palestinians are not infalliable. However they certainly are the victims of this brutual tyranny. Human reactions to tyranny is obvious noone in the right state of mind likes seeing it, either you can sit back and take it, thus exposing your land, your mental state, your family, everything you dreamt or lived of. Or you fight back.
As for negotiation then seriously that is so easy said. Have you even seen the number of times both parties have come and sat down on the table shaked hands and walked of? Have you even seen what happens a months or maybe even weeks later? Negotiation certainly takes two parties but it takes the bigger power to take the responsibility and to live by their word, unfortunately time and time again israel have and continue to breaking their word.. and then you mention the word negotiation. Sadly a solution is hard to see, israel as we talk aint helping anything by building settlements in east jerusalam. Despite yes despite international "concern". Israel do as they see fit, palestinians have no choice but to continue suffer and fight back. For palestinians the "sympathy" hasnt meant much unfortunately, we will think about them for a day say "awww" and then the next day think about popstars and superstars marriage break ups etc.
Where does the sympathy lie? Rebel here is doing a great job in reporting whats going on something we will rarely see. Sympathy is only what you are shown. How is the world ever to know the truth when majority of the media have blackened the sympathy. The governments will provide a mirage of sympathy, its only the people who know that may sympathise send their support, donations etc. IZ you mention it all like its easy, but for a nation who have been subjected to torture time and time again, for childrens to be brought up with fear in their hearts, orphans running around, familys torn apart, no food, sharing a single 5ft by 5ft house with 20 or 30 occupants, a toilet in a kitchen a kitchen in a toilet, no santary, no hygiene, illnesses all over the place, children subjected to dangerous chemicals, children being born with chronis diseases or deformity. Seriously the situation grave.. when you subject people to this type of situation.. its normal for them to retaliate. Put animals in one room and torture them.. they will show exactly the same response, either that or eventually die from brutality.
As for negotiation then seriously that is so easy said. Have you even seen the number of times both parties have come and sat down on the table shaked hands and walked of? Have you even seen what happens a months or maybe even weeks later? Negotiation certainly takes two parties but it takes the bigger power to take the responsibility and to live by their word, unfortunately time and time again israel have and continue to breaking their word.. and then you mention the word negotiation. Sadly a solution is hard to see, israel as we talk aint helping anything by building settlements in east jerusalam. Despite yes despite international "concern". Israel do as they see fit, palestinians have no choice but to continue suffer and fight back. For palestinians the "sympathy" hasnt meant much unfortunately, we will think about them for a day say "awww" and then the next day think about popstars and superstars marriage break ups etc.
Where does the sympathy lie? Rebel here is doing a great job in reporting whats going on something we will rarely see. Sympathy is only what you are shown. How is the world ever to know the truth when majority of the media have blackened the sympathy. The governments will provide a mirage of sympathy, its only the people who know that may sympathise send their support, donations etc. IZ you mention it all like its easy, but for a nation who have been subjected to torture time and time again, for childrens to be brought up with fear in their hearts, orphans running around, familys torn apart, no food, sharing a single 5ft by 5ft house with 20 or 30 occupants, a toilet in a kitchen a kitchen in a toilet, no santary, no hygiene, illnesses all over the place, children subjected to dangerous chemicals, children being born with chronis diseases or deformity. Seriously the situation grave.. when you subject people to this type of situation.. its normal for them to retaliate. Put animals in one room and torture them.. they will show exactly the same response, either that or eventually die from brutality.
You're the minority man, the 6 counties wouldn't even vote to join Ireland and we couldn't handle the tax burden. A lot of people here don't consider NI people to be Irish and yes we have 'given up' the fight, because theres been enough blood, enough Omaghs and enough Dublin/Monaghans.
You forgot to mention that 'you' planted bombs in cafes and the like and forced innocent people to drive truck bombs up to checkpoints. The Provo's and the Loyalists don't represent either the Irish people or the British people. We're sick of the violence both sides are fighting for their nation that doesn't exist anymore. Collins would turn in his grave if he saw the tactics and criminality of the nationalist today, you aren't keeping alive the Sean South era struggle, the provos and the loyalists are thugs,cowards and murderers, not politically representative of the will of the Northern Irish who for the most part just want peace.
Not to mention the bank robbing, kidnapping, money laudering and extortion....
You forgot to mention that 'you' planted bombs in cafes and the like and forced innocent people to drive truck bombs up to checkpoints. The Provo's and the Loyalists don't represent either the Irish people or the British people. We're sick of the violence both sides are fighting for their nation that doesn't exist anymore. Collins would turn in his grave if he saw the tactics and criminality of the nationalist today, you aren't keeping alive the Sean South era struggle, the provos and the loyalists are thugs,cowards and murderers, not politically representative of the will of the Northern Irish who for the most part just want peace.
Not to mention the bank robbing, kidnapping, money laudering and extortion....
Here's some source for you, keep in mind they are British, bias is to be expected.
The road to parition
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/overview_ni_article_01.shtml
The 'Troubles'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/the_troubles_article_01.shtml
You'll be an expert after reading that
The road to parition
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/overview_ni_article_01.shtml
The 'Troubles'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/the_troubles_article_01.shtml
You'll be an expert after reading that
That is the greatest insult of all when your fellow country men don't even regonize your existience. Northern men have fought and died for their right to their Irishness while Britain tried to destroy that identity. I mean could you look into the face of a man who's been on hungerstrike for 66 days and say "Im more Irish than you!"
It must be a form of Dublin snobbery as you also look down on the Cork which suffered the most at the hand of the British and those brave men like Liam Lynch and Tom Barry did most of the fighting during the war.
I agree, our country has seen enough bloodshed and its time to unite the Orange and Green and that has been long overdue.
But I didn't mean with the armed struggle and meant for the South to of been more vocal of Britan as their silence was deafening during the troubles and hungerstrikes.
Now heres were we do agree, I do consider myself a an 'Irish" Republican and did think the armed struggle was nessicary since the Unionist state was unreformable but I do realize that the IRA carried out some atrocities that were undefendable and i won't even try and defend it.
There was a war going on with people were being murdered everyday so tensions were high and some operations did spectaculary back fire like the Shankill bomb etc
Though one must realize that the IRA never wanted to get involved in a sectarian war as this would be playing into the British hands as the UK always tried to minimize their role in the conflict and tried to put it down to catholics and protestants being bigoted to one another and not being able to live with each other.
The IRA targeted the British Army, Police, politicians, loyalists etc though 'alot' of civialns died in the process and which the IRA have since apolgised for. (not as if this helps in anyway) Loyalists on the other have of always says any catholic is a legitamate target and I feel the IRA showed great restraint by making sure their volunteers didn't get sucked into that type of war.
It must be a form of Dublin snobbery as you also look down on the Cork which suffered the most at the hand of the British and those brave men like Liam Lynch and Tom Barry did most of the fighting during the war.
I agree, our country has seen enough bloodshed and its time to unite the Orange and Green and that has been long overdue.
But I didn't mean with the armed struggle and meant for the South to of been more vocal of Britan as their silence was deafening during the troubles and hungerstrikes.
Now heres were we do agree, I do consider myself a an 'Irish" Republican and did think the armed struggle was nessicary since the Unionist state was unreformable but I do realize that the IRA carried out some atrocities that were undefendable and i won't even try and defend it.
There was a war going on with people were being murdered everyday so tensions were high and some operations did spectaculary back fire like the Shankill bomb etc
Though one must realize that the IRA never wanted to get involved in a sectarian war as this would be playing into the British hands as the UK always tried to minimize their role in the conflict and tried to put it down to catholics and protestants being bigoted to one another and not being able to live with each other.
The IRA targeted the British Army, Police, politicians, loyalists etc though 'alot' of civialns died in the process and which the IRA have since apolgised for. (not as if this helps in anyway) Loyalists on the other have of always says any catholic is a legitamate target and I feel the IRA showed great restraint by making sure their volunteers didn't get sucked into that type of war.
Heres a good site http://irelandsown.net/
Hers a few vids
Their broken up into parts and sorry for going off topic in your thread mate.
Hers a few vids
Their broken up into parts and sorry for going off topic in your thread mate.