@IZ: I didn't resend anyone for that matter, I just said that the IRA did in fact cause death to innocent civilians.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here (honestly), but Ireland is an island by itself, separate from mainland (England, Scotland, Whales). Their soldiers were on your soil, not their civilians. Did they build settlements in Ireland? What I'm trying to get at is that the scenario was much different from the Palestinians current situation.
So let me get this straight, you are saying the me alluding to factual events and expressing an opinion on them is comparable to you commeting on events that did not occur? How YOU see the conflict as unethical? You making up things that never happened I'm talking about cold hard FACTS.
"Tell that to somebody who will believe it"
That's what you posted. Are you contending that I am utterly ignorant of the mechanics of the Palestinians conflict and that your level of knowledge of the Irish coflict is comparable? I'm making generalisations apprently becuase I don't know all these 'factors'.What factors are you talking about? The is no factor imaginable where it is ok to blow up innocent women and children.
You might like to seem that it is somewhat sensible the way you are talking but you're not making any sense whatsover.
JBF- The independence era IRA did not intentionally kill civilians, that is a fact, I can forward you material written by both Irish and British scholars that will attest to this.
Martin- Are you talking about posting or actualy conflict tactics?
"Tell that to somebody who will believe it"
That's what you posted. Are you contending that I am utterly ignorant of the mechanics of the Palestinians conflict and that your level of knowledge of the Irish coflict is comparable? I'm making generalisations apprently becuase I don't know all these 'factors'.What factors are you talking about? The is no factor imaginable where it is ok to blow up innocent women and children.
You might like to seem that it is somewhat sensible the way you are talking but you're not making any sense whatsover.
JBF- The independence era IRA did not intentionally kill civilians, that is a fact, I can forward you material written by both Irish and British scholars that will attest to this.
Martin- Are you talking about posting or actualy conflict tactics?
Are you fucking kidding me?
The Plantations of Ireland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland
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Plantations in 16th and 17th century Ireland were the confiscation of land by the Government of England and the colonisation of this land with settlers from England and Scotland.
Are you fucking kidding me?
The Plantations of Ireland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland
Excerpt
Plantations in 16th and 17th century Ireland were the confiscation of land by the Government of England and the colonisation of this land with settlers from England and Scotland.
Alright, so tell me this...do you agree that the difference in technology in arms between the Palestinians and the Israelis is greater than the difference between the Irish and the English? Like, it was much 'easier' to acquire or steal weapons to fight the British for the Irish resistance. While it's nearly impossible for palestinians to acquire or steal a tank, jet, or surface-to-air missile, etc. Would you agree?
I'm not trying to justify (I absolutely do not justify the killing of innocent civilians) suicide bombings, but I can 'understand' that when people are backed into a corner that they do things that no one would do in normal circumstances.
Jeez, I say correct me if I'm wrong and I get "are you fcking kidding me" in response. Take a chill pill
Alright, so tell me this...do you agree that the difference in technology in arms between the Palestinians and the Israelis is greater than the difference between the Irish and the English? Like, it was much 'easier' to acquire or steal weapons to fight the British for the Irish resistance. While it's nearly impossible for palestinians to acquire or steal a tank, jet, or surface-to-air missile, etc. Would you agree?
I'm not trying to justify (I absolutely do not justify the killing of innocent civilians) suicide bombings, but I can 'understand' that when people are backed into a corner that they do things that no one would do in normal circumstances.
Alright, so tell me this...do you agree that the difference in technology in arms between the Palestinians and the Israelis is greater than the difference between the Irish and the English? Like, it was much 'easier' to acquire or steal weapons to fight the British for the Irish resistance. While it's nearly impossible for palestinians to acquire or steal a tank, jet, or surface-to-air missile, etc. Would you agree?
I'm not trying to justify (I absolutely do not justify the killing of innocent civilians) suicide bombings, but I can 'understand' that when people are backed into a corner that they do things that no one would do in normal circumstances.
int:I would disagree, it was extremely difficult for the Irish to aqquire arms, most of the weapons were stolen from the British Themselves. Tanks weren't prevelent in 1919 but the disparity was quite similar. The british had armoured cars, outnumbered the active IRA nearly 2 to 1 (around 15,000 actual IRA soldiers vs over 30,000 British police/army/auxilliaries), they even sailed a battleship up a river into dublin and shelled the 'rebels'. About 3,000 bolt actions rifles and 10,000 pistols/farmer shotguns, many with only 2 or 3 bullets, less that 50 machine guns or weapons of the sort.
But you said we have incompatible ideas re: sensible tactics
Sorry Zé, I had just finnished typing the post above it and was working up a head of steam int:
I would disagree, it was extremely difficult for the Irish to aqquire arms, most of the weapons were stolen from the British Themselves. Tanks weren't prevelent in 1919 but the disparity was quite similar. The british had armoured cars, outnumbered the active IRA nearly 2 to 1, they even sailed a battleship up a river into dublin and shelled the 'rebels'. About 3,000 bolt actions rifles and 10,000 pistols/farmer shotguns, many with only 2 or 3 bullets, less that 50 machine guns or weapons of the sort.
int:I would disagree, it was extremely difficult for the Irish to aqquire arms, most of the weapons were stolen from the British Themselves. Tanks weren't prevelent in 1919 but the disparity was quite similar. The british had armoured cars, outnumbered the active IRA nearly 2 to 1, they even sailed a battleship up a river into dublin and shelled the 'rebels'. About 3,000 bolt actions rifles and 10,000 pistols/farmer shotguns, many with only 2 or 3 bullets, less that 50 machine guns or weapons of the sort.
Let us indeed dicuss things in a sensible,logical and factually sound manner.
Look man all I'm saying is that both sides have done wrong, Israel started it yes indeed and they have arguably done more wrong BUT,
the He started it argument is pointless and the quickest way to a dual state is for Palestine to play to world sympathy let them see the Barbarians of Zion rape and pillage the defensless palestinians, kill the soldiers by all means but don't stoop to their level, don't become that what you fight against.
Look man all I'm saying is that both sides have done wrong, Israel started it yes indeed and they have arguably done more wrong BUT,
the He started it argument is pointless and the quickest way to a dual state is for Palestine to play to world sympathy let them see the Barbarians of Zion rape and pillage the defensless palestinians, kill the soldiers by all means but don't stoop to their level, don't become that what you fight against.