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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    Jordanians question alliance with US after Humam al-Balawi’s CIA suicide bombing

    The father received the bearded mourners with dry eyes, his grief tempered by the conviction that his son, a martyr to the cause of al-Qaeda’s jihad, was already in Heaven.

    It is a common enough spectacle in the Islamist badlands of the Middle East or Central Asia — but yesterday’s funeral was not in Afghanistan, nor even Pakistan. The farewell to Mahmoud Zaydan, 35, a teacher of Arabic and the Koran who was killed at the weekend by a US drone in Waziristan, Pakistan, took place in the peaceful Jordanian town of Irbid.

    Jordan has long been one of America’s closest allies in the region but only recently have Jordanians discovered how close to home the War on Terror is being waged. A suicide bombing last month at a CIA base in Afghanistan, perpetrated by a Jordanian double agent — and targeting, along with seven CIA officers, a fellow Jordanian — has put the country on the international terror map.

    It exposed Jordan’s close ties with US intelligence; a realisation that shocked and angered many Muslims in the country, normally seen as an oasis of peace in the turbulent area. At yesterday’s funeral, the family of the dead al-Qaeda member had nothing but scorn for their Government’s alliance with America. “The United States is fighting Muslims everywhere,” the dead man’s father, Mahdi Zaydan, said. “They’ll fight to defend themselves and drive the Americans out, like the Soviets were driven out of Afghanistan.”

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    Mr Zaydan said that his son had studied Sharia in Jordan before travelling to Pakistan in 1999 to teach Arabic and the Koran, and to pursue his studies. In the city of Peshawar, he fell in with members of the Taleban. His family does not know exactly how he came to join al-Qaeda but said that he had served the terrorist organisation as a preacher and spiritual adviser; a job often involving recruitment, indoctrination and finding scriptural justification for the blood shed in God’s name.

    “He was there to provide education and guidance to the youth,” said his younger brother, Muhammad, 25.

    His other brother, Ibrahim, fought for the Taleban and was arrested in Kabul by the Americans in 2001, and held at Guantánamo Bay for more than five years. He was released two years ago and was present at the funeral yesterday in a former Palestinian refugee camp that has grown into a permanent neighbourhood of Irbid.

    “Al-Qaeda and the Taleban are accepted here as fighters who want to drive the enemy out,” Muhammad said. He was not sure whether he would follow in his brothers’ footsteps, he said, aware that he would probably be picked up by the security services if he admitted any such ambition.

    In his opinion, the Jordanian Government was “absolutely on the wrong side” by helping the Americans. The sentiment is shared by many devout Jordanian Muslims, especially those of Palestinian origin, such as Humam al-Balawi, the CIA suicide bomber, according to Rohile Gharaiheh, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. “The ones who joined the jihad did so because of the Palestinian issue, but it can also affect Jordanians because they don’t know where their Government sends their sons,” he said, referring to al-Balawi’s recruitment by the Jordanian intelligence service. “The Government is making these terrorists; the Government is trying to please the Americans.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6984245.ece
     
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    ReBeL

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    Fuck Al Qaeda and fuck Ben Laden
    Well, to be honest, I do not agree with you. They did many things wrongly. One of them was 11th of September and Amman hotels bombs , but in Afghanistan, I can not blame them when they try to fight invaders. I do not agree with killing civilians though.
     

    Ahmed

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    Sep 3, 2006
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    Well, to be honest, I do not agree with you. They did many things wrongly. One of them was 11th of September and Amman hotels bombs , but in Afghanistan, I can not blame them when they try to fight invaders. I do not agree with killing civilians though.
    the invaders left 20 years ago
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    Well, to be honest, I do not agree with you. They did many things wrongly. One of them was 11th of September and Amman hotels bombs , but in Afghanistan, I can not blame them when they try to fight invaders. I do not agree with killing civilians though.

    They're not wrong in fighting invadors like the US troops in Afghanistan, but their cons far outweigh their pro's. The bombings in Algeria, Pakistan and other Arab and Islamic countries in addition to 9\11 and the Amman hotels makes me hate the fuckers, they've done too much bad, killing civilians is what they specialize in.
     
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    ReBeL

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    They're not wrong in fighting invadors like the US troops in Afghanistan, but their cons far outweigh their pro's. The bombings in Algeria, Pakistan and other Arab and Islamic countries in addition to 9\11 and the Amman hotels makes me hate the fuckers, they've done too much bad, killing civilians is what they specialize in.
    I agree.
     

    Ahmed

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    Sep 3, 2006
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    Well, to be honest, I do not agree with you. They did many things wrongly. One of them was 11th of September and Amman hotels bombs , but in Afghanistan, I can not blame them when they try to fight invaders. I do not agree with killing civilians though.
    Rebel, these people have infiltrated into Pakistan and are now killing our civilians, bombing market placed and mosques
     

    IrishZebra

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    Jun 18, 2006
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    I'm aware of what this is going to start, but do you think that Afhganistan should have been invaded eventually were it still to be under that opressive regime, and if no why not?

    The same question goes for Iran,North Korea,Iraq etc. etc.
     

    Zé Tahir

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    Dec 10, 2004
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    Well, to be honest, I do not agree with you. They did many things wrongly. One of them was 11th of September and Amman hotels bombs , but in Afghanistan, I can not blame them when they try to fight invaders. I do not agree with killing civilians though.
    I have to disagree with you here Reb. The US had other intentions invading Afghanistan but I'm certainly glad they did. The Taliban are the lowest of the lowest on this planet and people like that can't be allowed to oppress people...especially not under the flag of "Islam". There should be no reason to support them even if the US was 100% wrong in invading because the Taliban are just savages.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    and now god's chosen people are trying to make fun of ambassadors

    Israel: Turkey has no right to preach morality

    Deputy foreign minister reprimands ambassador for Turkish TV show depicting Mossad agents as baby snatchers, tells reporters he wants it to be seen that ambassador 'is seated below him'

    The Foreign Ministry responded Monday to criticism launched at Israel by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and said that "the Turks have absolutely no right to preach morality to the State of Israel and the IDF".

    Also on Monday, Turkey's ambassador to Israel was summoned by Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon to receive an official reprimand for a Turkish television show depicting Mossad agents as baby snatchers.

    "The prime minister's speech joins the broadcasting of the anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic Turkish television show, as well as severe criticisms being continuously and systematically launched at Israel for over a year now, since Erdogan attacked President Peres in Davos," Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levy said in a statement.

    Ayalon refused to shake Ambassador Ahmet Oguz Celikkol's hand when asked to do so by journalists attending the official reprimand, and said in Hebrew that "we just want it to be seen that he is seated below us and that there is only one flag here".

    In English, he told the ambassador that "unfortunately there is something we are concerned about, which I want to discuss with you without the presence of the press, in order to preserve discretion".

    A Foreign Ministry official criticized Ayalon's "embarrassing" conduct, saying it would only fuel tensions between Israel and Turkey.

    Regarding Erdogan's criticism of Israel, the ministry's statement condemned "the Turkish prime minister's unbridled attack at a joint press conference with the Lebanese prime minister".

    "Israel maintains respect for Turkey and is interested in proper relations between the two states, however we expect reciprocity and a similar attitude from the Turkish side," Levy said in a statement.
     
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    ReBeL

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    and now god's chosen people are trying to make fun of ambassadors

    Israel: Turkey has no right to preach morality

    Deputy foreign minister reprimands ambassador for Turkish TV show depicting Mossad agents as baby snatchers, tells reporters he wants it to be seen that ambassador 'is seated below him'

    The Foreign Ministry responded Monday to criticism launched at Israel by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and said that "the Turks have absolutely no right to preach morality to the State of Israel and the IDF".

    Also on Monday, Turkey's ambassador to Israel was summoned by Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon to receive an official reprimand for a Turkish television show depicting Mossad agents as baby snatchers.

    "The prime minister's speech joins the broadcasting of the anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic Turkish television show, as well as severe criticisms being continuously and systematically launched at Israel for over a year now, since Erdogan attacked President Peres in Davos," Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levy said in a statement.

    Ayalon refused to shake Ambassador Ahmet Oguz Celikkol's hand when asked to do so by journalists attending the official reprimand, and said in Hebrew that "we just want it to be seen that he is seated below us and that there is only one flag here".

    In English, he told the ambassador that "unfortunately there is something we are concerned about, which I want to discuss with you without the presence of the press, in order to preserve discretion".

    A Foreign Ministry official criticized Ayalon's "embarrassing" conduct, saying it would only fuel tensions between Israel and Turkey.

    Regarding Erdogan's criticism of Israel, the ministry's statement condemned "the Turkish prime minister's unbridled attack at a joint press conference with the Lebanese prime minister".

    "Israel maintains respect for Turkey and is interested in proper relations between the two states, however we expect reciprocity and a similar attitude from the Turkish side," Levy said in a statement.
    Long time I did not see you, Turk...

    Anyway, Erdogan is the man.:tup:
     

    Ahmed

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    I'm aware of what this is going to start, but do you think that Afhganistan should have been invaded eventually were it still to be under that opressive regime, and if no why not?

    The same question goes for Iran,North Korea,Iraq etc. etc.
    it won'r work, because eventually, the Allied forces will have to go back, hell they are itching to go back...you can't establish a change in mindset/system in countries overnight, it would take decades for that to change.
     
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    ReBeL

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    I have to disagree with you here Reb. The US had other intentions invading Afghanistan but I'm certainly glad they did. The Taliban are the lowest of the lowest on this planet and people like that can't be allowed to oppress people...especially not under the flag of "Islam". There should be no reason to support them even if the US was 100% wrong in invading because the Taliban are just savages.
    Well, Ze. I can assure you American government is not qualified to guide humanity into what is right and what is wrong as it is far away from being ethical initially.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Rebel, these people have infiltrated into Pakistan and are now killing our civilians, bombing market placed and mosques
    Well. You know much better than me in Pakistan internal issues, but I'm saying that I condone their acts against American forces in Afghanistan because they are occupied there. By no way, I would cheer for those who kill civilians.
     

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