Israel-Hezbolla; Lebanon stuck in the middle: The new Middle East Crisis (13 Viewers)

[mnementh]

So, Afghanistan is ours and Palestine is not

You're so cutely cute...

I think it's more and more clear by your comments that Palestine is a fiction created to destory Israel. It's too bad many Israelis don't understand that. If you wanted peace, we would have it by now. But you don't want just Ramallah and Gaza, you want Haifa and Jaffa too , correct ?

You see Vinman.... they don't want to share. They didn't want to share from day 1. In 1947 Israel was given a tiny piece of land . 10%.... the rest was for "Palestinians". While Israelis were celebrating in the streets, Arabs "and Palestinians" were already attacking the Israelis. While we in our Independence Charter said we give full rights to any arabs in Israel to be born, these arabs were already massacaring Jews all over the place and preparing for mass genocide with all the neighbours around. Most of them fled because of the fear of what these countries will do to Israel. When they lost, they just wanted more and more. REbel will admit he wants Israel in Alaska.... he won't want to share. But some will lie... it's hard to admit you're supporting a middle age fanatic government who cares only about killing Jews other than prospering its own lands.

 

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[ReBeL]

how old are you btw ?

There's a difference between UN assembly and Security Council .

But both of them can lick everybody's balls...

 

[Stickyicky]

Mnementh, I don't understand why you are wasting your time discussing with Rebel since all he ever does is laugh and ridicule your arguments like a twelve year old, while you keep it calm and civil he's being offensive and rude, quite ironic since he opened a thread called " A pathetic democracy" where he wanted everyone to act polite or else they weren't welcomed to his thread.

Go do something fun, watch some Tv or something. You've been arguing this nonstop for two days now. int:

 

[mnementh]

a small part of my own land!!!

Israel is not your land.

 

[mnementh]

But both of them can lick everybody's balls...

they're really in your favour because of the political pressure and majority , don't know why you hate them.

So how old r u ?

 

[mnementh]

Thanks Stickyicky . You are so so so right on your advice to me you have no idea. I shouldn't go watch TV but I do need to do some very important things that I just delay for nonsense.

 

[ReBeL]

I think it's more and more clear by your comments that Palestine is a fiction created to destory Israel. It's too bad many Israelis don't understand that. If you wanted peace, we would have it by now. But you don't want just Ramallah and Gaza, you want Haifa and Jaffa too , correct ?

You see Vinman.... they don't want to share. They didn't want to share from day 1. In 1947 Israel was given a tiny piece of land . 10%.... the rest was for "Palestinians". While Israelis were celebrating in the streets, Arabs "and Palestinians" were already attacking the Israelis. While we in our Independence Charter said we give full rights to any arabs in Israel to be born, these arabs were already massacaring Jews all over the place and preparing for mass genocide with all the neighbours around. Most of them fled because of the fear of what these countries will do to Israel. When they lost, they just wanted more and more. REbel will admit he wants Israel in Alaska.... he won't want to share. But some will lie... it's hard to admit you're supporting a middle age fanatic government who cares only about killing Jews other than prospering its own lands.

Very funny, indeed...

Haganah, Argon and Stern were celebrating in 1947 by beheading civilians in Deir Yaseen and Dawaimah...
You admit here that you were so happy when Britain gave you 10% of the land because you never dreamt of it, and before that, you said that the whole land is yours...

I'll call my little cousin to continue trying to open your eyes...

Poor Cousin... You have a difficult mission...

 

[ReBeL]

Mnementh, I don't understand why you are wasting your time discussing with Rebel since all he ever does is laugh and ridicule your arguments like a twelve year old, while you keep it calm and civil he's being offensive and rude, quite ironic since he opened a thread called " A pathetic democracy" where he wanted everyone to act polite or else they weren't welcomed to his thread.

Go do something fun, watch some Tv or something. You've been arguing this nonstop for two days now. int:

I missed your valuable additions, SCOOPY DOPY DOO...

 

[ReBeL]

Israel is not your land.

You're right..

There is nothing called Israel...

 

[- vOnAm -]

Israel has had nuclear weapons for at least 15 years, and has yet to ever use them...

If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, the first thing they will do is attack Israel...they have already said it

As much as I despise the leadership in Iran and Syria, I am trying to look at things from an objective point of view :

The Lebanese government needs to get a grip on Hezbollah, and/or someone has to get Iran and Syria to call them off. Iran and Syria are having Hezbollah do their dirty-work, without getting them directly involved...and they are loving it !!

Israel has rights to land in the Middle East, just as Palestine does. The Old Testament promised the Jews their own land...and the land which the Jews occupy now is where much of their history took place.

I just cannot understand why the land cant be shared....

when we were all children, one of the first lessons we learned about life is SHARING...

dont tell me kids know better than the adults

1.
First of all about Iran and Syria's intentions, as you can take a look at the history of that region, any aggresive notions are bold gestures of standpoint...I doubt they would just literaly nuke any state if they had the power to do so.
But they send a clear message that they are against Israeli occupation and that the killings (which if you try to gather your facts you will see Israel actually is more of the culprit) must end.
They have said the same in the past towards US because there have been numerous occasions of double standards by the US, past and present. And thus they feel that the US is no way in position to judge or resolve objectively the situation that is unfolding in Israel/palestina and so they make their position clear towards the US that they are not afraid.

Iran, I know is a strong islamic state, Islam prohibits very strictly attacks against civilians, and even attacks without decleration. Thus all war must be declared before it's begun, which contradicts all terrorist activities.

2.
About sharing, well, there are limits to sharing, you can't simply compare them to the things we were taught in school. Even you, must admit there are limits.
Here, the main thing is that until the early and mid 1900s there was no Israeli state, there weren't even many Jews, or certainly they weren't the Majority.

Now if all of a sudden in that area (whom ever was living on it) has to be cleared to make way for foreigners with foreign culture, then how would that make the current residence feel? How would it make you feel if you were thrown out of your own home? I doubt you can just say share...because you would look for fairness and justice.

I think you should read many factual posts that Phrozen has put in this thread and more so in the 'Pathetic Democracy' thread. That'll paint a clearer picture of the situation for you. And then you can make your judgement. I think you will relize where you truly stand.


I really respect you, are trying to be as objective as possible, but objectivity relies on the facts we have at hand...so to be more objective you must explore the facts further on both sides. Once you get the big picture, then you decided which are the facts and which are the propaganda.

 

[mnementh]

beheading civilians ....

You do realise everything you say is a lie right ? I mean, just between us, you know you're repeating lies and fairy tales, true ? Or do you believe it yourself ?

 

[mnementh]

You're right..

There is nothing called Israel...

Tell that to Juventuz. I have this flag avatar.

 

[Stickyicky]

I missed your valuable additions, SCOOPY DOPY DOO...

Scoopy dopy doo? It's Scooby dooby doo! And you shouldn't make maturity jokes, they don't suit you at all since you lack credibility in that department.

 

[Vinman]

Typical American assumption that have no evidence ever...


If you're so generous, give your land to an indian (Who has the whole right to take it), then come and talk about sharing...

Unfortunately, any Arab kid knows better than all those watching FOX News...

1) Your hero- the Iranian leader has said it enough times. Google that monkeys name and find out what you've missed

2) The Indians where I live have a pretty good share of the land..thanks for asking

3) I watch many news casts, FOX included, and I know as much as I need to...why dont you take your aggression out somewhere else. I've been as neutral as possible, but some of your foolish comments are making you look rather pathetic

 

[Slagathor]

The UN is composed in such a way that each country has 1 vote. The UN is alligned in differnet groups that vote togehter on issues. There is a recipcrocy way that one country votes for another for the other one to support it in its vote. There is automatic agreement to support any arab country proposition against Israel, as to maintain these relations and the economical advantges.

Yes I'm familiar with the voting procedures of the UN. At the same time, the UN, as any international organisation is limited by the wishes of its member states and more specifically by the wishes of its most powerful member (the US). In the meantime most lobbying takes place outside the UN, with the US using its immense soft power (economics, diplomacy, finances) to gently force other governments to follow their ways. The UN, at best, is a consequence. Never a cause.

 

[Vinman]

1.
First of all about Iran and Syria's intentions, as you can take a look at the history of that region, any aggresive notions are bold gestures of standpoint...I doubt they would just literaly nuke any state if they had the power to do so.
But they send a clear message that they are against Israeli occupation and that the killings (which if you try to gather your facts you will see Israel actually is more of the culprit) must end.
They have said the same in the past towards US because there have been numerous occasions of double standards by the US, past and present. And thus they feel that the US is no way in position to judge or resolve objectively the situation that is unfolding in Israel/palestina and so they make their position clear towards the US that they are not afraid.

Iran, I know is a strong islamic state, Islam prohibits very strictly attacks against civilians, and even attacks without decleration. Thus all war must be declared before it's begun, which contradicts all terrorist activities.

2.
About sharing, well, there are limits to sharing, you can't simply compare them to the things we were taught in school. Even you, must admit there are limits.
Here, the main thing is that until the early and mid 1900s there was no Israeli state, there weren't even many Jews, or certainly they weren't the Majority.

Now if all of a sudden in that area (whom ever was living on it) has to be cleared to make way for foreigners with foreign culture, then how would that make the current residence feel? How would it make you feel if you were thrown out of your own home? I doubt you can just say share...because you would look for fairness and justice.

I think you should read many factual posts that Phrozen has put in this thread and more so in the 'Pathetic Democracy' thread. That'll paint a clearer picture of the situation for you. And then you can make your judgement. I think you will relize where you truly stand.


I really respect you, are trying to be as objective as possible, but objectivity relies on the facts we have at hand...so to be more objective you must explore the facts further on both sides. Once you get the big picture, then you decided which are the facts and which are the propaganda.

Rebel can take some lessons in maturity from vOnAm

 

[ReBeL]

1) Your hero- the Iranian leader has said it enough times. Google that monkeys name and find out what you've missed

2) The Indians where I live have a pretty good share of the land..thanks for asking

3) I watch many news casts, FOX included, and I know as much as I need to...why dont you take your aggression out somewhere else. I've been as neutral as possible, but some of your foolish comments are making you look rather pathetic

Neutral??

 

[ReBeL]

Rebel can take some lessons in maturity from vOnAm

I'm proud to take lessons from Vonam...

At least, he has something called mind, if you want to google it...

 

[mnementh]

Yes I'm familiar with the voting procedures of the UN. At the same time, the UN, as any international organisation is limited by the wishes of its member states and more specifically by the wishes of its most powerful member (the US). In the meantime most lobbying takes place outside the UN, with the US using its immense soft power (economics, diplomacy, finances) to gently force other governments to follow their ways. The UN, at best, is a consequence. Never a cause.

You are generally correct, though in the UN itself , the U.S doesn't have strong power. Because of the structure of the assembly where 1 country = 1 vote, it is the weak and less developed countries that actually have the strongest power. For example, this was shown when the assembly referred to the ICJ different cases, in contrast to the U.S wishes, and in contrast to the European Union wishes as well. It is no surprising then that poweful countries like the U.S wish to change the voting structure of the U.N for a different system, for example population wise.

 

[Stickyicky]

If is no surprising then that poweful countries like the U.S wish to change the voting structure of the U.N for a different system, for example population wise.

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Democraticly it would be the right thing to do even though I don't agree with it.

I bet China agrees.