snoop said:
will have it in 2 months 
thanx but no thanx. I am too young to die
thanx but no thanx. I am too young to die
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Israel-Hezbolla; Lebanon stuck in the middle: The new Middle East Crisis (36 Viewers)
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Snoop why would you die... you're a friend. Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that Armenians and the Syrian government aren't exactly good friends ?
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that's right. It is... countries have the right to defend themselves. Hizballah however is not a country. It's an illegal militia acting from a country instigating world terror and instability... there's a clear difference.
that's right, because Israel is reacting to the terror attacks, and Hizballah in purpse shields itself with civilians, which is also not allowed under international law.
that's true, because Hizballah is trying to kill the children in purpose, while Israel is trying to stop Hizballah.
developing what ?
that's right, because Israel is reacting to the terror attacks, and Hizballah in purpse shields itself with civilians, which is also not allowed under international law.
that's true, because Hizballah is trying to kill the children in purpose, while Israel is trying to stop Hizballah.
developing what ?
look, it was never Arab lands, ok ? Arabia is arab lands... the fact during history there were conquests is like many people had conquests. The only clear attachment of the golan and of the rest of israel is to the jewish people, they're the only ones who cared about it, and did even after their kingdom was destroyed. There's a strong connection between the land and the Jewish people, and this was recognised therefore Israel was created again in 1948. Since then, Arab countries have consistently tried to finish Israel off. In 1973 we didn't get any lands because we returned them all after the cease-fire. ... so sit back in your own country and don't try to take stuff from my country ok ? I'm not saying that Armenia or someone deserves a part of your Afghanistan right ? Don't say the same for me !
Lebanon how ever is...
you mention Hezballah as not bieng a country yet you expect them to follow international law for countries?
R u sure they intend to kill children? Its a strong accusation and will only fuel others and most damagingly, yourself with hatred. A waste if it turns out to be wrong.
WMDs....or Im guessing in this case he's referring to the unfair treatment towards Iran in terms of weapons development.
you mention Hezballah as not bieng a country yet you expect them to follow international law for countries?
R u sure they intend to kill children? Its a strong accusation and will only fuel others and most damagingly, yourself with hatred. A waste if it turns out to be wrong.
WMDs....or Im guessing in this case he's referring to the unfair treatment towards Iran in terms of weapons development.
Lebanon allows the organziation to work from its country. It's not a "few crazy people", it's a whole army. It has very very sophisticated missles from iran and syria .
no I don't..... I expect Israel and Lebanon to deal with it and get it over with. This is for Lebanon's interest as well.
i'm sure they intend to kill civilians, yes... children will make them happier. You can see how happy Rebel is, they think it's a right "eye for eye"... but we are sad for any children dead on the other side.
Israel is a democratic country. If any WMD's exist, they exist from 50 years ago. The world's conventions on the matter are pretty clear knowing that exisitng nuclear weapons can't all be dumped immediately, but the least is for more countries not to create more nuclear weapons at the present time, especially if it's done for war purposes by unstable regimes. I remind you Iran's government has said publicly it intends to use the weapons vs Israel/western world in the past. Also, WMD's that are not nuclear do exist in the region as we know. perhaps even hizballah has some...
no I don't..... I expect Israel and Lebanon to deal with it and get it over with. This is for Lebanon's interest as well.
i'm sure they intend to kill civilians, yes... children will make them happier. You can see how happy Rebel is, they think it's a right "eye for eye"... but we are sad for any children dead on the other side.
Israel is a democratic country. If any WMD's exist, they exist from 50 years ago. The world's conventions on the matter are pretty clear knowing that exisitng nuclear weapons can't all be dumped immediately, but the least is for more countries not to create more nuclear weapons at the present time, especially if it's done for war purposes by unstable regimes. I remind you Iran's government has said publicly it intends to use the weapons vs Israel/western world in the past. Also, WMD's that are not nuclear do exist in the region as we know. perhaps even hizballah has some...
I doubt Rebel would be happy for their deaths, in fact I hope you don't seriously think that these people would happily kill children because it really will only make you more hateful (which I could already understand why).
The way I understand it is that Palestinians and Hamas, and Hezbullah, would like very much to target armies (like they were doing by kidnapping soldiers, not civilians).
But they are not as well equiped or financed to carry out such targeted attacks all the time, thus many reserve to suicide bombing and such. If they had a choice, they would use F-16s and launch targeted missles at Isreali bases.
By WMDs I don't just mean Nuclear weapons, but what I meant is that Israel has some of the most advance weaponry (including, to my knowledge and the general assumption, nuclear weapons)....
So that is why Iran, as such other countries in Arab region, are reluctant to hear resolutions regarding arms.
In a neighborhood, if one family has a gun, the other would need them too to defend themselves. Now if somebody supplied those guns to a certain house, and the house had a large armnament, wouldn't it be reasonable to fear for your own safety by trying to develp them yourselves?
Iranian supplied sophisticated weaponry? Surely not even close to Isreal's arsenal, and the one 'rocket' that I saw on CNN that hit Haifa....
well it didn't even explode from what I saw of the wreckage...it made minimal damage(compared to israeli bombs), you can see the creater and surrounding it are still intact areas while with Isreali bombs, you see the total annihilation of buildings and the lot..
The way I understand it is that Palestinians and Hamas, and Hezbullah, would like very much to target armies (like they were doing by kidnapping soldiers, not civilians).
But they are not as well equiped or financed to carry out such targeted attacks all the time, thus many reserve to suicide bombing and such. If they had a choice, they would use F-16s and launch targeted missles at Isreali bases.
By WMDs I don't just mean Nuclear weapons, but what I meant is that Israel has some of the most advance weaponry (including, to my knowledge and the general assumption, nuclear weapons)....
So that is why Iran, as such other countries in Arab region, are reluctant to hear resolutions regarding arms.
In a neighborhood, if one family has a gun, the other would need them too to defend themselves. Now if somebody supplied those guns to a certain house, and the house had a large armnament, wouldn't it be reasonable to fear for your own safety by trying to develp them yourselves?
Iranian supplied sophisticated weaponry? Surely not even close to Isreal's arsenal, and the one 'rocket' that I saw on CNN that hit Haifa....
well it didn't even explode from what I saw of the wreckage...it made minimal damage(compared to israeli bombs), you can see the creater and surrounding it are still intact areas while with Isreali bombs, you see the total annihilation of buildings and the lot..
The UN is composed in such a way that each country has 1 vote. The UN is alligned in differnet groups that vote togehter on issues. There is a recipcrocy way that one country votes for another for the other one to support it in its vote. There is automatic agreement to support any arab country proposition against Israel, as to maintain these relations and the economical advantges.
So using your logic, if you forced my father to leave his house, I should not think of going back ever!!
And why??
Because the land is small and you desreve something!!
What a naive justification!!!
Look, my dear...
I may not go back to my home for the rest of my life because of the conditions around, but I assure you that I will transfer my passion for my homeland to kids of the next generations (Not my kids of course)...
Palestinians may live badly because we have no homeland, but I assure you nobody in Israel will ever live in peace, as a result of that...
And mentioning that we have 22 Arab countries to go to!!!
This thing has been denied for ever as every Arab country just cares for itself, and no Arab man will come and give me a part of his land to establish my new home...
In addition, I can't give my land, which is the prettiest place on the World, to people from another planet that easily and take any land as a compensation...
I have to defend it by all the possible ways...
My grandfather and father were so lazy and depended on Arabs to regain their own land, but after knowing the truth, I can't depend on anybody but myself...
And why??
Because the land is small and you desreve something!!
What a naive justification!!!
Look, my dear...
I may not go back to my home for the rest of my life because of the conditions around, but I assure you that I will transfer my passion for my homeland to kids of the next generations (Not my kids of course)...
Palestinians may live badly because we have no homeland, but I assure you nobody in Israel will ever live in peace, as a result of that...
And mentioning that we have 22 Arab countries to go to!!!
This thing has been denied for ever as every Arab country just cares for itself, and no Arab man will come and give me a part of his land to establish my new home...
In addition, I can't give my land, which is the prettiest place on the World, to people from another planet that easily and take any land as a compensation...
I have to defend it by all the possible ways...
My grandfather and father were so lazy and depended on Arabs to regain their own land, but after knowing the truth, I can't depend on anybody but myself...
Israel has had nuclear weapons for at least 15 years, and has yet to ever use them...
If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, the first thing they will do is attack Israel...they have already said it
As much as I despise the leadership in Iran and Syria, I am trying to look at things from an objective point of view :
The Lebanese government needs to get a grip on Hezbollah, and/or someone has to get Iran and Syria to call them off. Iran and Syria are having Hezbollah do their dirty-work, without getting them directly involved...and they are loving it !!
Israel has rights to land in the Middle East, just as Palestine does. The Old Testament promised the Jews their own land...and the land which the Jews occupy now is where much of their history took place.
I just cannot understand why the land cant be shared....
when we were all children, one of the first lessons we learned about life is SHARING...
dont tell me kids know better than the adults
If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, the first thing they will do is attack Israel...they have already said it
As much as I despise the leadership in Iran and Syria, I am trying to look at things from an objective point of view :
The Lebanese government needs to get a grip on Hezbollah, and/or someone has to get Iran and Syria to call them off. Iran and Syria are having Hezbollah do their dirty-work, without getting them directly involved...and they are loving it !!
Israel has rights to land in the Middle East, just as Palestine does. The Old Testament promised the Jews their own land...and the land which the Jews occupy now is where much of their history took place.
I just cannot understand why the land cant be shared....
when we were all children, one of the first lessons we learned about life is SHARING...
dont tell me kids know better than the adults
I don't support killing civilians but ...
The blood on our hands
By Bradley Burston
It was easy for us, much, much too easy, to have gone through this entire weekend, and still not see the blood on our hands.
One reason is that we don't watch Al Jazeera. Another is that we don't really see ourselves.
We immediately found no end of ways to disengage from the tragedy of a family erased for the crime of picnicking on a beach.
The World Cup was one method. Another was reflex.
The ineffable anguish in the image of a girl running on a beach where her family lay in pieces on the sand, was shown again and again and again on Al Jazeera, but it passed swiftly from Israeli television screens and from the Israeli consciousness, replaced, in many cases, with indignation over the world's propensity to pre-judge and condemn us.
It wasn't us, we told ourselves. And if it was us, we were more than justified.
"I categorically reject all the attempts to impugn the morality of the Israel Defense Forces," said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, opening the cabinet session on Sunday.
"The Israel Defense Forces is the most moral army in the world. It has never conducted a policy of harming civilians, and is not doing so today."
Were we, in fact, at fault?
The army's front commander for Gaza, Major General Yoav Galant, said Sunday that "the picture is unclear. The artillery fire has been well-analyzed, and the question marks are multiplying as to whether the artillery fire was the cause of the incident."
Say he's right. Say it wasn't our fault. Say we dismiss as irrelevant the fact that five IDF shells landed nearby at the same time, and that the trajectory of the sixth is unaccounted-for.
Pretend, for argument's sake, that the army's statements on the incident were not meant to confabulate, that is, to unconsciously replace fact with fantasy in someone's memory.
Make believe that it was only coincidence that when Army Radio said the probe was to determine who was responsible for the killing of the Ghalia family, it suggested that the choices were "an Israeli artillery shell, or a Palestinian Qassam rocket that landed in the area by mistake."
And while you're at it ...
Say the blood that is on our hands is not that of Ali Ghalia, the father of the family, his wife Ra'isa, four of his daughters, one aged 2, and his eight-month-old son
Say the blood is not that of Mohammed Dura, the 12-year-old boy killed early in the Intifada in a crossfire between Israelis and Palestinians.
For every Mohammed Dura, there have been hundreds and hundreds of Palestinians killed by the IDF in error, in conjunction with the killing of terrorists, or because overwhelming force and remote technology was applied in order to minimize the risk to Israeli troops.
There was no news crew to film them, so the world cares nothing for them. And neither do we. Their tragedies are no less unbearable, surely no less unbearable than the hundreds of our own the world cares nothing for.
We can live with it, as we live with the idea of sending thousands and thousands of artillery shells into one of the most crowded districts on the planet, in order to try to hit three-man mobile crews firing a rocket not much bigger than a broom - the equivalent of going after a fly with a pile-driver.
We live with it because we Can't Just Do Nothing, as if thousands of shells, many of them directed at open spaces calculated precisely to hit nothing, are the only possible alternative.
We can live with it, fundamentally, because we don't know what else to do, and because the only thing left for us to believe, is that it's wrong to negotiate.
"The entire protest was ugly from the standpoint of morality," said senior Likud lawmaker Yuval Steinitz, referring to a small demonstration of leftists near the house of IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz Saturday morning - a rally that included Olmert's daughter Dana.
The demonstration was over the killing of the Ghalia family in Gaza, and in favor of resuming peace talks, even with a government with whom we share only mutual abhorrence.
"Instead of demonstrating against the side that fires Qassams with malice aforethought against civilians, Israeli civilians, the civilians of Sderot," Steinitz added, "they protest against the side that, as a last resort, must defend its citizens, is obligated to defend its citizens, and responds with fire."
In the long run, if we are to be able to live with it, it will be because in fighting Qassams, we have developed smarter and smarter ways kill fewer and fewer Palestinian civilians. On Sunday, soon after a 60-year-old Sderot man was critically wounded when a Qassam slammed into a school, the IAF attacked a Hamas rocket crew as they prepared to fire another, killing two of them and wounding the third. There were no civilian casualties.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=725483
The blood on our hands
By Bradley Burston
It was easy for us, much, much too easy, to have gone through this entire weekend, and still not see the blood on our hands.
One reason is that we don't watch Al Jazeera. Another is that we don't really see ourselves.
We immediately found no end of ways to disengage from the tragedy of a family erased for the crime of picnicking on a beach.
The World Cup was one method. Another was reflex.
The ineffable anguish in the image of a girl running on a beach where her family lay in pieces on the sand, was shown again and again and again on Al Jazeera, but it passed swiftly from Israeli television screens and from the Israeli consciousness, replaced, in many cases, with indignation over the world's propensity to pre-judge and condemn us.
It wasn't us, we told ourselves. And if it was us, we were more than justified.
"I categorically reject all the attempts to impugn the morality of the Israel Defense Forces," said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, opening the cabinet session on Sunday.
"The Israel Defense Forces is the most moral army in the world. It has never conducted a policy of harming civilians, and is not doing so today."
Were we, in fact, at fault?
The army's front commander for Gaza, Major General Yoav Galant, said Sunday that "the picture is unclear. The artillery fire has been well-analyzed, and the question marks are multiplying as to whether the artillery fire was the cause of the incident."
Say he's right. Say it wasn't our fault. Say we dismiss as irrelevant the fact that five IDF shells landed nearby at the same time, and that the trajectory of the sixth is unaccounted-for.
Pretend, for argument's sake, that the army's statements on the incident were not meant to confabulate, that is, to unconsciously replace fact with fantasy in someone's memory.
Make believe that it was only coincidence that when Army Radio said the probe was to determine who was responsible for the killing of the Ghalia family, it suggested that the choices were "an Israeli artillery shell, or a Palestinian Qassam rocket that landed in the area by mistake."
And while you're at it ...
Say the blood that is on our hands is not that of Ali Ghalia, the father of the family, his wife Ra'isa, four of his daughters, one aged 2, and his eight-month-old son
Say the blood is not that of Mohammed Dura, the 12-year-old boy killed early in the Intifada in a crossfire between Israelis and Palestinians.
For every Mohammed Dura, there have been hundreds and hundreds of Palestinians killed by the IDF in error, in conjunction with the killing of terrorists, or because overwhelming force and remote technology was applied in order to minimize the risk to Israeli troops.
There was no news crew to film them, so the world cares nothing for them. And neither do we. Their tragedies are no less unbearable, surely no less unbearable than the hundreds of our own the world cares nothing for.
We can live with it, as we live with the idea of sending thousands and thousands of artillery shells into one of the most crowded districts on the planet, in order to try to hit three-man mobile crews firing a rocket not much bigger than a broom - the equivalent of going after a fly with a pile-driver.
We live with it because we Can't Just Do Nothing, as if thousands of shells, many of them directed at open spaces calculated precisely to hit nothing, are the only possible alternative.
We can live with it, fundamentally, because we don't know what else to do, and because the only thing left for us to believe, is that it's wrong to negotiate.
"The entire protest was ugly from the standpoint of morality," said senior Likud lawmaker Yuval Steinitz, referring to a small demonstration of leftists near the house of IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz Saturday morning - a rally that included Olmert's daughter Dana.
The demonstration was over the killing of the Ghalia family in Gaza, and in favor of resuming peace talks, even with a government with whom we share only mutual abhorrence.
"Instead of demonstrating against the side that fires Qassams with malice aforethought against civilians, Israeli civilians, the civilians of Sderot," Steinitz added, "they protest against the side that, as a last resort, must defend its citizens, is obligated to defend its citizens, and responds with fire."
In the long run, if we are to be able to live with it, it will be because in fighting Qassams, we have developed smarter and smarter ways kill fewer and fewer Palestinian civilians. On Sunday, soon after a 60-year-old Sderot man was critically wounded when a Qassam slammed into a school, the IAF attacked a Hamas rocket crew as they prepared to fire another, killing two of them and wounding the third. There were no civilian casualties.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=725483
mnementh said:
it's pointless to discuss with you, when you actually believe Iran is acquirng nuclear weapons for defensive purposes. 
As for sophisiticated missles, the missle which hit the Israeli boat was one of the most sophisitcated in the world.
As for sophisiticated missles, the missle which hit the Israeli boat was one of the most sophisitcated in the world.
Yes, you're right...
Israel is using its weapons for defending Yes Rebel, Israel is using its weapons to defend from terrorists which you support.
We didn't drive anyone out of their homes. We came here, peacefully, created our country and were attacked. It's not my fault you fled away. This is your fantasy, your summer night dream, your delusion. That's all right. But Israel did not. Jews have a right to Israel because it's their land. It's where the Jewish Kingdoms existed, it's where Jews have stayed and fought forces for thousdands of years, it's where Jews travelled to for thousands of years, it's where we pray to, where we write about, sing about, live about, it's our country and our land. The whole region was a vacant wasteland and we prospered it and established our state. I'm sorry but Arabs have their own countries. Are you an Arab rebel ? Well if you want to have another country, called Palestine, you can do it but not in our expense. We even agree to part with yet more parts of our country, of our very souls, to you... just for peace. But you don't want that . You don't want to accept our right to exist in our homeland. That's too bad. But we're not going anywhere.
We didn't drive anyone out of their homes. We came here, peacefully, created our country and were attacked. It's not my fault you fled away. This is your fantasy, your summer night dream, your delusion. That's all right. But Israel did not. Jews have a right to Israel because it's their land. It's where the Jewish Kingdoms existed, it's where Jews have stayed and fought forces for thousdands of years, it's where Jews travelled to for thousands of years, it's where we pray to, where we write about, sing about, live about, it's our country and our land. The whole region was a vacant wasteland and we prospered it and established our state. I'm sorry but Arabs have their own countries. Are you an Arab rebel ? Well if you want to have another country, called Palestine, you can do it but not in our expense. We even agree to part with yet more parts of our country, of our very souls, to you... just for peace. But you don't want that . You don't want to accept our right to exist in our homeland. That's too bad. But we're not going anywhere.
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