Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (21 Viewers)

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Fred

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This endless cycle of violence is just making things worse. A few years ago i was optimistic about the wave of uprisings against oppressive regimes in the Arab World, but oppressive secular regimes have been replaced by radical extremists who are equally as oppressive, but at the same time destroy state institutions, rendering the countries they occupy a complete mess. As much as i hate the arab regimes of Syria, Libya, Iraq and co, a corrupt and highly inefficient state is better than not being a state at all while being equally as oppressive as your predecessor.

I really do not foresee any positive outcome from the Arab Spring, at least not in the foreseeable short term future.
 
Nzoric

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Fred said:
This endless cycle of violence is just making things worse. A few years ago i was optimistic about the wave of uprisings against oppressive regimes in the Arab World, but oppressive secular regimes have been replaced by radical extremists who are equally as oppressive, but at the same time destroy state institutions, rendering the countries they occupy a complete mess. As much as i hate the arab regimes of Syria, Libya, Iraq and co, a corrupt and highly inefficient state is better than not being a state at all while being equally as oppressive as your predecessor.

I really do not foresee any positive outcome from the Arab Spring, at least not in the foreseeable short term future.
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I said this two weeks after Libya started. The west shouldve invested more in the countries with authoritarian regimes, made ties and reforms wouldve followed down the line.
 
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ReBeL

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    ReBeL said:
    They do not do anything against him. You know when US wanted Saddam out, they gathered 30 countries to fight him. In Syria, they are still thinking he is the best option or them and for Israel in the region.
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    I really don't know what more evidence you need when the U.S. is getting alarmed that Russia is supporting Assad. You're in a make-believe world.
     
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    ReBeL

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    swag said:
    I really don't know what more evidence you need when the U.S. is getting alarmed that Russia is supporting Assad. You're in a make-believe world.
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    Russia and USA agree that they want Assad to stay. If USA does not want him to stay, they will not allow Russia to do anything to support him.
     
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    ReBeL said:
    Russia and USA agree that they want Assad to stay. If USA does not want him to stay, they will not allow Russia to do anything to support him.
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    You're clearly suffering from, in cognitive science terms, what are each called a confirmation bias and a negativity bias.

    I'm one of the first people to cynically call out the actions of my own government here, including calling out George Bush before he invaded Iraq for fabricating bogus intelligence data as a pretext for a bunch of military hawks.

    But the case here isn't even about what's right or wrong morally -- it's about factual accuracy. You would be just as credible to me as if you stated that the U.S. government supports ISIS or the al-Nusra Front. Because the details don't matter -- clearly you feel the need to believe the truth must fit in a certain way to support your own belief system and you defensively resist any change to that. Even when there's overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise.
     
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    ReBeL

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    swag said:
    You're clearly suffering from, in cognitive science terms, what are each called a confirmation bias and a negativity bias.

    I'm one of the first people to cynically call out the actions of my own government here, including calling out George Bush before he invaded Iraq for fabricating bogus intelligence data as a pretext for a bunch of military hawks.

    But the case here isn't even about what's right or wrong morally -- it's about factual accuracy. You would be just as credible to me as if you stated that the U.S. government supports ISIS or the al-Nusra Front. Because the details don't matter -- clearly you feel the need to believe the truth must fit in a certain way to support your own belief system and you defensively resist any change to that. Even when there's overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise.
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    So, I suffer from a disease just because I do not agree with you on whatever you want. Good approach of discussion really...
     
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