Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (14 Viewers)

[Eddy]

This thread has gone full retard it seems.

 

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[Ocelot]

concept of pacifism is not about non violence movement

omg


I'm out, this is getting too ridiculous. Good night folks.

 

[Maddy]

no, stupid is ur surname, you fail to understand that concept of pacifism is not about non violence movement, this is a great and profound concept, with different currents, but your brain can't understand it, i can't help you and even if i could i woudnt do that

Yeah, you are trolling. You've had the time to Google "pacifism" and "pacifist".

Well played, Djanik.

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This thread has gone full retard it seems.

Even retards would cringe if they could read what RUS wrote.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

omg


I'm out, this is getting too ridiculous. Good night folks.

Funny that people who doesn't know about pacifism want to teach me about it i bet that you've never heard about consequentialism too but what can i do? it's ur problem only

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Yeah, you are trolling. You've had the time to Google "pacifism" and "pacifist".

Well played, Djanik.

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Even retards would cringe if they could read what RUS wrote.

sometimes people have to kill other people to have a better life in their community/countries/world - a sniper that have a suicide-bomber on his gunpoint - he shouldn't kill him and let him blow up innocent people? it's a non-sense, he should do it, but some pacifists will tell you the different thing, same story with ISIS - if you want to bring peace to that region(and to the world too) you have to destroy all these crazy radicals, it's just as simple as that.
Il fine giustifica i mezzi

It's a common myth that Pacifism is about "no war" "no violence" only, you fail to understand that it's much deeper idea

 

[king Ale]

Hearing the news, I'm sick to my stomach. Feel like crying.

 

[Raz]

Funny that people who doesn't know about pacifism want to teach me about it i bet that you've never heard about consequentialism too but what can i do? it's ur problem only

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sometimes people have to kill other people to have a better life in their community/countries/world - a sniper that have a suicide-bomber on his gunpoint - he shouldn't kill him and let him blow up innocent people? it's a non-sense, he should do it, but some pacifists will tell you the different thing, same story with ISIS - if you want to bring peace to that region(and to the world too) you have to destroy all these crazy radicals, it's just as simple as that.
Il fine giustifica i mezzi

It's a common myth that Pacifism is about "no war" "no violence" only, you fail to understand that it's much deeper idea

I guess hitler was a pacifist.

And rus, you're probably the smartest guy on the planet, because I don't think anyone understands how deep your ideas are.

 

[Azzurri7]

Jordan just decided to execute around 6 of AlQaeda prisoners as a revenge in the coming hours...

I guess this move is just to cool down citizen's temper because I doubt on a political table it would affect ISIS much.

I was thinking earlier that every step these savages are doing is well planned and structured, the professionalism in directing the execution to wasting time pretending they're welling to exchange Moa'ath for Sajida is directed and planned at the highest level for multiple goals obviously one of them sending fear the other IMO for next negotiating that will take place with any hostage they kidnap and other reasons.

Sajida was not really on their swap hostages list.

Is it true Jordanian government stated that Moa'ath was executed last month?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Are you sure? Coz i thought the pilot was offered for sajida

 

[Azzurri7]

Are you sure? Coz i thought the pilot was offered for sajida

And Jordan Gov accepted the offer only if it was true that the Pilot was alive, then ISIS started asking for Sajida + others to U turn the deal in one way or another.

The Pilot's (F-16) training costs around 20 + 30m USD and was a promising Pilot, It only makes sense that they accept the deal and hand them Sajida and technically it benefits Jordan more since Sajida has been 7years behind bars and adds no value anymore, they've squeezed all information out of her mouth and she was just a plus. ISIS wanted to burn the man alive even before negotiations took place if you ask me, this was planned.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

And Jordan Gov accepted the offer only if it was true that the Pilot was alive, then ISIS started asking for Sajida + others to U turn the deal in one way or another.

The Pilot's (F-16) training costs around 20 + 30m USD and was a promising Pilot, It only makes sense that they accept the deal and hand them Sajida and technically it benefits Jordan more since Sajida has been 7years behind bars and adds no value anymore, they've squeezed all information out of her mouth and she was just a plus. ISIS wanted to burn the man alive even before negotiations took place if you ask me, this was planned.

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[swag]

I guess this move is just to cool down citizen's temper because I doubt on a political table it would affect ISIS much.

I was thinking earlier that every step these savages are doing is well planned and structured, the professionalism in directing the execution to wasting time pretending they're welling to exchange Moa'ath for Sajida is directed and planned at the highest level for multiple goals obviously one of them sending fear the other IMO for next negotiating that will take place with any hostage they kidnap and other reasons.

Sajida was not really on their swap hostages list.

Is it true Jordanian government stated that Moa'ath was executed last month?

Appeasing the populace... ewww. All we need is for countries to start entering a dick-measuring contest over who can violate more civil and human rights.

And yeah, I heard the Jordanian govt saying that he was executed long ago. Guess that bad poker hand didn't bluff anyone.

 

[king Ale]

Are we really objecting to those executions here?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Are we really objecting to those executions here?

the timing of it is kinda silly

 

[king Ale]

the timing of it is kinda silly

I disagree. Sajida for example had been kept alive for all these years for a purpose, which is non-existent today. She already lived much more than what she deserved.

I don't know what people expect, a love letter from Jordanian government to Daesh?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I disagree. Sajida for example had been kept alive for all these years for a purpose, which is non-existent today. She already lived much more than what she deserved.

I don't know what people expect, a love letter from Jordanian government to Daesh?

her execution looked too much like an eye for an eye reprisal and seemed to go astray of due process. Daesh needs to be dealt with with troops on the ground and a true commitment to eradicate them, if anything killing that prisoner only made jordan look weak imo

 

[ReBeL]

It was just a way to decrease the pressure of Jordanian people who were angry because no real steps were made to save the life of the pilot.

 

[lgorTudor]

If the "alliance" cared about deleting Daesh from our planet they would have done it within a week. Put ~1% of the available boots on the ground and the daesh will be history very soon.

 

[swag]

her execution looked too much like an eye for an eye reprisal and seemed to go astray of due process. Daesh needs to be dealt with with troops on the ground and a true commitment to eradicate them, if anything killing that prisoner only made jordan look weak imo

Yup.

Jordan trying to imitate ISIS isn't exactly an improvement.

The best way to deal with a drunk person who is threatening people with a gun at your party isn't also to get drunk and get out your gun.

 

[Ocelot]

Funny that people who doesn't know about pacifism want to teach me about it i bet that you've never heard about consequentialism too but what can i do? it's ur problem only

Fuck, I just can't help it

Your attitude can be seen as consequantalist, but never pacifist. There's nothing inherently wrong with thinking according to consequentalist principles, but don't call it pacifism, it just isn't.

Are we really objecting to those executions here?

An eye for an eye is very rarely the way to go, and that applies for this case as well imo. While I would in general argue against any from of the death penalty (and nothing else happened there essentially), here we have the added problem that the executed weren't primarily executed beacuse of their wrongdoings (at least the timing very strongly suggests that) , but because of political calculation.

 

[ReBeL]

An eye for an eye is very rarely the way to go, and that applies for this case as well imo. While I would in general argue against any from of the death penalty (and nothing else happened there essentially), here we have the added problem that the executed weren't primarily executed beacuse of their wrongdoings (at least the timing very strongly suggests that) , but because of political calculation.

Just for info both Sajida and Zeyad were already convicted of previous crimes according to the Jordanian law. They were trialed since 2006 and 2007, but as execution stopped being implemented in Jordan since around 8 years. It was resumed just before two months when 21 people were executed for their crimes that took place at 2003 and 2004. SO, simply Sajida and Zeyad were already decided to be executed since years, but they were waiting for their time.