Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (17 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

Religious because it is the leader of people who follow same religion. Still there is no contradiction between what i said in that post and my opinion on Caliphate as there is no similarity between Popecy and Caliphate.

One is responsible for his acts, neither able to represent a religion nor hijack it.

no it's not, political office covers that, also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforms_of_Umar's_era#Religious

 

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[swag]

A non-Muslim caliph here is pretty much known as a cult leader.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

A non-Muslim caliph here is pretty much known as a cult leader.

Did you understand this from what i said? Caliph has to be religious and rule according to Islam, however he is different than Pope as there are major differences between Islam and Christianity.

 

[swag]

But the politico-religious divide is somewhat irrelevant. Could be any self-ordained leader in society without external authorization in that role.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Did you understand this from what i said? Caliph has to be religious and rule according to Islam, however he is different than Pope as there are major differences between Islam and Christianity.

The only Khalifat that really matters is Khilafat ala minhaj nabuwat and according to Hadith:

“Prophethood will remain among you as long as Allah wills. Then khilafat on the lines of Prophethood shall commence, and
remain as long as Allah wills. Then corrupt/erosive monarchy would take place, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. After that, despotic kingship would emerge, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. Then, the khilafat shall come once again based on the precept of Prophethood.”

-Book of Ahadith, Musnad Ahmad by Imam Ahmad bin
Hambal

Hence why only Khulafa-e-Rashideen are the only ones really recognized. Anything else is your own creation and not by divine guidance.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

The only Khalifat that really matters is Khilafat ala minhaj nabuwat and according to Hadith:



Hence why only Khulafa-e-Rashideen are the only ones really recognized. Anything else is your own creation and not by divine guidance.

Didi ever mention divine guidance?

It's about unification of Muslims.

According to the Sīrat Rasūl Allāh of Ibn Isḥaq, Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's closest friend, said:

''It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Amirs for this would cause differences in their affairs and concepts, their unity would be divided and disputes would break out amongst them. The Sunnah would then be abandoned, the bida'a (innovations of rituals) would spread and Fitna would grow, and that is in no one's interests".

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Didi ever mention divine guidance?

It's about unification of Muslims.

According to the Sīrat Rasūl Allāh of Ibn Isḥaq, Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's closest friend, said:

''It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Amirs for this would cause differences in their affairs and concepts, their unity would be divided and disputes would break out amongst them. The Sunnah would then be abandoned, the bida'a (innovations of rituals) would spread and Fitna would grow, and that is in no one's interests".

didnt he say this when he was caliph? how can he religiously forbid anything? i thought he wasnt a pope?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

There must be one ruler, this is what common sense demanded since the first ages. Two or more headed rules ended up with destruction.

He can religiously forbid if it is really forbidden in religion. It is mostly Ulama job to handle religious matters, Caliph is more involved with state affairs.

 

[Raz]

Man are you mixed up.

 

[Nzoric]

There must be one ruler, this is what common sense demanded since the first ages. Two or more headed rules ended up with destruction.

 

[ReBeL]

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[ReBeL]

Al-Waar neighborhood, at Homs city, Syria, is being targeted by all the possible weapons right now by Assad regime...
Tens of deaths are reported from there...

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@X

Please watch this and give me your opinion.
I love this guy.

 

[Raz]

X, you know arabic?

 

[swag]

He knows "Daily" ... "News" ... "Analysis"

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Al-Waar neighborhood, at Homs city, Syria, is being targeted by all the possible weapons right now by Assad regime...
Tens of deaths are reported from there...

- - - Updated - - -

@X

Please watch this and give me your opinion.
I love this guy.

it goes back to what i said earlier, there are no 'enemies' only interests. Assad couldnt care less about palestinians, just like the leaders of every other group/country including ISIS. It would be naive to assume politicians mean what they say, ever. But if i had to guess i'd say israel is a lot closer to the saudi block than it is to the iran one.

 

[ReBeL]

it goes back to what i said earlier, there are no 'enemies' only interests. Assad couldnt care less about palestinians, just like the leaders of every other group/country including ISIS. It would be naive to assume politicians mean what they say, ever. But if i had to guess i'd say israel is a lot closer to the saudi block than it is to the iran one.

Well, to be honest, I don't think Saudi block is very different from Irani one. They are just playing with words.

 

[Zé Tahir]

There must be one ruler, this is what common sense demanded since the first ages. Two or more headed rules ended up with destruction.

He can religiously forbid if it is really forbidden in religion. It is mostly Ulama job to handle religious matters, Caliph is more involved with state affairs.

This is biddat as far as I can see.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

This is biddat as far as I can see.

Please explain. Is fatwa biddat?

 

[ReBeL]

Turkish warplanes hit Kurdish militant targets in southeast - media

(Reuters) - Turkish warplanes attacked Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) targets in southeast Turkey on Sunday in the first significant air operation against the militants since the launch of a peace process two years ago, Hurriyet news website said on Tuesday.

The air strikes caused "major damage" to the PKK, Hurriyet said. They were launched after three days of PKK attacks on a military outpost in Hakkari province near the Iraqi border, it added.

There was no immediate comment from the military on the reported air strikes, which Hurriyet said was carried out with the knowledge of Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

The incident came amid Kurdish anger in southeast Turkey at Ankara's failure to intervene along its border with Syria where Islamic State militants have besieged the mainly Kurdish town of Kobani for the last month.

"F-16 and F-4 warplanes which took off from (bases in the southeastern provinces of) Diyarbakir and Malatya rained down bombs on PKK targets after they attacked a military outpost in the Daglica region," Hurriyet said.

It said the PKK had attacked the outpost for three days with heavy machine guns and rocket launchers. The general staff said in a statement it had "opened fired immediately in retaliation in the strongest terms" after PKK attacks in the area.

Ankara launched a peace process with jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in 2012 to end an insurgency which has killed more than 40,000 people in 30 years.

Reuters

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

There must be one ruler, this is what common sense demanded since the first ages. Two or more headed rules ended up with destruction.

He can religiously forbid if it is really forbidden in religion. It is mostly Ulama job to handle religious matters, Caliph is more involved with state affairs.