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Jul 2, 2006
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Turkey maps out 'safe zones' in Syria

Safe havens should be built along the Turkish border in northern Aleppo, Idlib, northern Latakia, Hasakah, Jarablus and Kobani, Turkish premier says

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has reiterated Turkey's demand for a safe haven for refugees along the Syrian-Turkish border as well as other regions, including Idlib, Latakia and Kobani.

"It must be in the north of Aleppo as it has been under threat from both Assad regime and the ISIL militants," Davutoglu said in a late night interview with Al Jazeera Arabic TV Wednesday.

Turkey has been pushing the international community, including the UN to establish a no-fly zone and a safe haven for refugees inside Syria near the Turkish border. Thousands of civilians from the Syrian border town of Kobani have been fleeing into Turkey since mid-September when their homes came under attack by ISIL militants.

Davutoglu said the safe havens must also involve regions in Idlib near the border with Turkey, northern Latakia, Hasakah, Jarablus and Kobani.

"It should be an area under international guarantee so the Syrian people feel secure from air and land offensives," he added.

Davutoglu said that the international legitimacy of the safe zone could only be strengthened with UN approval.

"We have been waiting for a UN resolution for the past three and a half years, and it has not been possible due to certain vetoes. Perhaps, an international coalition on intervention in Syria could take some decisions and provide aerial protection," he said.

Unilateral intervention by Turkey ruled out

Despite the parliamentary approval, Davutoglu ruled out any unilateral intervention by Turkish troops saying that "it would do more harm than good" and would not yield a final settlement to the overall crisis in Syria.

"If you demand Turkey to intervene alone inSyria in the absence of such a zone, it means you want Turkey to take the entire burden on its own," he said.

The premier instead called for an “all inclusive intervention” together with all international community members not only to save Kobani, but also against "all atrocities and villains in Syria."

"What we emphasize here is that no matter which strategy is conducted, it must be applied to all of Syria; it must neither be temporary, nor uni-dimensional or restricted to certain regions," he added.

Turkey has repeatedly said the fight against ISIL requires a comprehensive strategy and it has demanded the removal of the Assad regime in Syria which, according to Ankara, is part of a comprehensive solution needed to defeat ISIL.

In fact, Turkey has requested a no-fly zone in Syria since 2012 from the UN.

Even during his visit to UN General Assembly last September, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had also highlighted the need for a no-fly zone and a safe zone in Syria.

Erdogan had reiterated Turkey's request to form a no-fly zone over Syria to stop the mounting humanitarian crisis of thousands of Syrians fleeing the conflict into Turkey.

www.aa.com.tr/en
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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what beliefs/practices excommunicate alawites?
They are very much a sect though, alot of their rituals and direct beliefs are secret to outsiders (or in some cases to overall followers except chosen few) , it's hard to say what's real or misinformation but from what I heard they believe in trinity and some kind of reincarnation etc. They don't seem to follow the tenets like Muslims in general except Eid perhaps.

I don't care who is or is not Muslim etc, but the little I know about them suggest they differentiate more then most sects from the general path of Islam.
 

Zé Tahir

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Dec 10, 2004
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They are very much a sect though, alot of their rituals and direct beliefs are secret to outsiders (or in some cases to overall followers except chosen few) , it's hard to say what's real or misinformation but from what I heard they believe in trinity and some kind of reincarnation etc. They don't seem to follow the tenets like Muslims in general except Eid perhaps.

I don't care who is or is not Muslim etc, but the little I know about them suggest they differentiate more then most sects from the general path of Islam.
Sect is not the right word here my Swedish friend :D Sekt translates to cult and Sect translates to gren/församling.

Anyway, so long as they consider themselves Muslim they're Muslim.

"Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.'' (Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir, vol. iv, p. 187)

"Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that by which he entered into it [i.e. the Kalima].'' (Majma` az-Zawa'id, vol. i, p. 43)

"Three things are the basis of faith. [One is] to withhold from one who says `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call him kafir for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct.'' (Abu Dawud, Book of Jihad, 15:33)
 
Jul 2, 2006
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what beliefs/practices excommunicate alawites?
Don't know about Syrian ones but i can say a few things about the ones in here;

Their motto is ''Allah - Muhammad -Ali''. Ring a bell? Trinity.

They don't practice Islamic prayer 5 times in a day which is an obligatory for all Muslims.

@Ze Tahir
If you don't practice Salat you're sinner. But if you say there is no Salat in Islam, you're not a Muslim. Will you argue against this as well?

They don't fast. They never go to Mosque because they say Hz. Ali died there(logic?). They have their own rituals. Again, if you add a ritual to religion which is not written in Quran and never practiced in Prophet's era, you can't be a Muslim. Their woman don't cover their heads, they do practice rituals man and woman together in their places, which is also forbidden in Islam.

Some of them openly declare that they are atheists. There are crypto Armenians and Jews among them, who wanted to blend in but didn't wanted to practice Islam. So they used this community as cover. Their belief or philosophy is a strange mixture of Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Shamanism. Though a minority, there are people among them, who go to mosque, practice Islam, live like a Muslim. Probably assimilated alevis, their grandparents were alevis and they still call themselves alevi though they are Muslims.

You can also read this one about Syrian ones, it seems there are no major differences.
http://justpaste.it/alawism12

One of their rituals, they do worship atajew who committed massacre against them in 1938. They also love assad very much.

 

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