Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (16 Viewers)

Is Iraq better now?

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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Breaking News:
    Tens of civilians are killed at Al-Baab city, north of Syria, one of the biggest strongholds of ISIS by raids by Syrian regime airfighters...
     

    Enron

    Tickle Me
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    Oct 11, 2005
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    Ok. So we the West stays out of it, who do you expect will step in? Doesn't seem like anyone over there has the fortitude to deal with them.
    I'm only speaking as an American, not a member of the "West".

    It's really not our problem. The thing that gets us in trouble is our insistence that we fix everything. Our meddling is what caused 911. The wars in Iraq and Afganistan lead to the Great Recession. These were huge events that led to an unprecedented weakening of our nation's economy, infrastructure, and political system. And people want us to play that game again?

    If it's such a big deal let the rest of the world sort it out.
     

    swag

    L'autista
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    Sep 23, 2003
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    There's a fine line between isolationism and allowing others to deal with their own problems.

    The US track record is to pretty much fuck up most everything it touches, so if Somalia wants to blow itself up among warring warlords, I'm ok with that to the extent it doesn't spill over and threaten too much else.

    Most of what foreign policy in this country thinks is solving problems is at least as often creating new or future problems.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    The wars in Iraq and Afganistan lead to the Great Recession.
    I think this is a common misconception. It might have played some role in exacerbating the problem in the form of a network effect, but really it stems from several years of economic imbalances that are still present today, i.e. debt everywhere.
     

    swag

    L'autista
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    Sep 23, 2003
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    I think this is a common misconception. It might have played some role in exacerbating the problem in the form of a network effect, but really it stems from several years of economic imbalances that are still present today, i.e. debt everywhere.
    but if you're already in credit card debt, a $6 trillion purchase should sound alarms.
     

    Hust

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    May 29, 2005
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    I'm only speaking as an American, not a member of the "West".

    It's really not our problem. The thing that gets us in trouble is our insistence that we fix everything. Our meddling is what caused 911. The wars in Iraq and Afganistan lead to the Great Recession. These were huge events that led to an unprecedented weakening of our nation's economy, infrastructure, and political system. And people want us to play that game again?

    If it's such a big deal let the rest of the world sort it out.
    -I think there was more to the recession than the wars "cost", but that's another can of worms.
    -It is the rest of the worlds problem but I sure as hell don't see them doing anything about it. If people there (other than the occassional outspoke disapproval of ISIS) are unwilling to stand up and we take ourselves out of the equation because its another persons problem you will see much bigger ISIS (CIA est 31,500+) in a year from now. Reports already showing militants are working out of mexican border towns. Not sure how accurate that is but its absolutely a possibility. But yeah, let's take ourselves out of the equation and just pretend they aren't already here.

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    I think this is a common misconception. It might have played some role in exacerbating the problem in the form of a network effect, but really it stems from several years of economic imbalances that are still present today, i.e. debt everywhere.
    This.

    Tired of the "Bush's War in Iraq" rhetoric.
     

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