Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (11 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

Just because wrong was done in the past, doesn't mean it justifies wrong done in the present and future. That's just like Israel saying "If Hitler killed so many Jews, then don't talk shit on us for killing Palestinians"

where do you see justification for wrong? also id love for you to tell me why did the US bomb ISIS controlled area?

 

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[ALC]

where do you see justification for wrong? also id love for you to tell me why did the US bomb ISIS controlled area?

To help the Kurds as far as I know.

Maybe not justification, but sympathizing. Not a single thing they say carries any value as far as I'm concerned.

 

[swag]

That is the most accurate sentence here in the last two pages. More than 1 million Iraqis are killed because of American greed for petrol. Nobody said a word. An American is killed. The whole world condemns that. Fuck off, silly world...

I get what you're trying to say, but the second invasion of Iraq had little to do with petrol. Especially now that Iraqi output is pitiful and the U.S. is getting off on domestic fracking right now. So you might need to tune your facts a little.

If the US would have grabbed an iraqi citizen or journalist and beheaded him on national tv, even bigger outrage would break out in the entire world.

That's actually a pretty decent point. One dead American is pretty much just a drop in the bloodbath of civilian casualties in Iraq. But what makes it just a little different is more making a public spectacle of the deliberate execution of an unarmed civilian.

Sad as it sounds, I guess at least when the U.S. military kills civilians, they don't issue press releases with videos.

That's why some folks are freaked out, but seriously -- like who didn't know this was coming anyway?

Second, you are saying that the beheaded man is an innocent journalist. Well, ISIS says he is an American soldier and they showed his military clothes. You can believe whatever you want, but do not assume something that can be baseless.

It would be kind of suicidal for a journalist to go into a foreign country like a falling-apart Syria but also to dress up in army gear to choose a side. It makes absolutely no sense. It blows your credibility and access as a journalist.

Stop defending ISIS. get a fucking grip

True dat.

I'm not defending anybody. I'm just telling all those who cry for a man that he is not the only one who was killed in Iraq. If you want to shed a tear over his body, be my guest, but do not make it as if he is the only one who was killed there...

What sort of media are you getting to believe that this lone journalist was the only person killed there? :wth:

I mean, all nations do their best to cover up ugly stuff. But do you honestly believe Western media is spinning Iraq as if this reporter is the only person killed there?

 

[Eddy]

Add to the fact that 20 reporters are also missing in the region.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

To help the Kurds as far as I know.

Maybe not justification, but sympathizing. Not a single thing they say carries any value as far as I'm concerned.

where do you see sympathy? i on the other hand can only see crocodile tears and hypocrisy, as far as words carrying value how ironic since this all started because we were told "they have wmd's" ya that worked out great

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good read http://www.thesundaily.my/node/267830

 

[Enron]

who said men cant multitask.

As gruesome as the act, i too find the indignation hypocritical this is Iraq we are talking about, where millions were killed /displaced for oil. If bush, cheney and cohorts are not tried for war crimes the american public has no right to call anybody else war criminals and especially not in iraq.

I disagree. I can call ISIS war criminals. In fact, I think I will. ISIS are war criminals. But so are Bush and Cheney, so is Israel and so is pretty much everyone that fights wars in the modern era. No one has clean hands, no one.

Anywho, this guy was pretty cool. He imbedded with rebels in Libya in 2011, took some really powerful shots of the rebellion, and was captured as well.

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Add to the fact that 20 reporters are also missing in the region.

You mean "military personnel".

 

[swag]

good read http://www.thesundaily.my/node/267830

Good read. The opener was one of my favorite parts:

ARMED humanitarianism 2.0. That's our new western version of old-fashioned 19th century imperialism

It's perhaps a legacy started with a lame duck George Bush Sr. in Somalia.

 

[Fr3sh]

Them all crooks that couldn't care less about the populace, or about anyone else but their dollars/ideologies.

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It's perhaps a legacy started with a lame duck George Bush Sr. in Somalia.

Nigga couldn't make it!!! Braaaaap braaaap braaaap!!!!

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But Somalia is still knees deep in shit

 

[swag]

Them all crooks that couldn't care less about the populace, or about anyone else but their dollars/ideologies.

That's a bit trite, though. I mean, what wealth of money is to be made by fighting a war in Syria and Northern Iraq?

There's more complexity at work here than the sheer greed explanation.

 

[Fr3sh]

That's a bit trite, though. I mean, what wealth of money is to be made by fighting a war in Syria and Northern Iraq?

There's more complexity at work here than the sheer greed explanation.

Fuck them all. Really shit like that depresses the living the shit outta me.

 

[Eddy]

good read http://www.thesundaily.my/node/267830

Good fucking read indeed. Never heard of this guy before.

You mean "military personnel".

You have to see it from the viewpoint if you were from the Middle-East...

 

[Bjerknes]

That's a bit trite, though. I mean, what wealth of money is to be made by fighting a war in Syria and Northern Iraq?

There's more complexity at work here than the sheer greed explanation.

Distractions away from all the more important stuff going wrong in CONUS due to the current President. Next stop is Syria again. Rinse and repeat.

 

[swag]

Distractions away from all the more important stuff going wrong in CONUS due to the current President. Next stop is Syria again. Rinse and repeat.

If you think this is just a single president thing that goes away when Obama hands over the keys to the White House, you're gravely mistaken.

 

[Bjerknes]

If you think this is just a single president thing that goes away when Obama hands over the keys to the White House, you're gravely mistaken.

Ahh yes, the same excuse the Bush and Cheney lovers used. But indeed, both parties are lawless criminals, very true.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I disagree. I can call ISIS war criminals. In fact, I think I will. ISIS are war criminals. But so are Bush and Cheney, so is Israel and so is pretty much everyone that fights wars in the modern era. No one has clean hands, no one.

Anywho, this guy was pretty cool. He imbedded with rebels in Libya in 2011, took some really powerful shots of the rebellion, and was captured as well.

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You mean "military personnel".

i ll take your word for it as i dont know the guy, and of course ISIS are war criminals but why go 8000 miles looking for justice when worse criminals are right amongst us.

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Good read. The opener was one of my favorite parts:



It's perhaps a legacy started with a lame duck George Bush Sr. in Somalia.

with reagan paving the way with this illegal covert contra support

 

[ReBeL]

I was agaist the second gulf war. the victims, even those you mentionned, are casualties of war, colleteral damage.
"ISIS says", i'm sorry i dont believe a single word of them. What the $#@! is a soldier doing there, right now. I believe he was a journalist.

If you're really asking this
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-military-mulling-more-troops-to-iraq-officials-say/

 

[Zacheryah]

Can we please get a ban on people supporting ISIS ?

 

[ReBeL]

...

 

[Zacheryah]

Its not like the entire muslim world is asking to stop ISIS

 

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only the real ISIS can stop ISIS