Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (11 Viewers)

[icemaη]

Noob question, what is the actual rift between them?

Difference in opinion on who should succeed the prophet. Sunnis believe that Abu Bakr as the elected leader was the man, while Shia's believe that his son-in-law Ali ibn Abi Talib was explicitly named the successor by the prophet and that Abu Bakr, Umar and others didn't allow him to exercise that right. While both believe in the Quran and that Muhammed was the last prophet, their opinions on the Hadiths differ significantly which in turn changed their beliefs significantly. Unlike the Quran, which is believed to be unchanged, Hadiths were a collection of doings and sayings of Muhammed written by his followers, corroborated by witnesses and consolidated after his death. Depending on the sects the witnesses changed and so the Hadiths considered lawful by each sect changed. Basically it is one big political mess which is still running today

 

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[king Ale]

whats odd here is i always saw shia iraqis as being closer to sunni iraqis than their ideological brothers in iran. And i would not be surprised if this sunni resurgence is the work of israel/usa to get iran to negotiate, the status quo is game over for israel with syria lebanon and iraq pro Iran.

Whether it's the work of the US or is just Saudis being their despicable selves, it's sadly all going to be in favor of Israel, no doubt.

Maliki has treated his army the same way Saddam has which is one of the reasons Iraq is worse than ever. Saddam favored Sunni by handing them limitless power and positions from army to governments and now Maliki is no different by doing the same thing with Shi'aa claiming power and positions which is resulting into sectarian violence we are now seeing.

In Iraq it's the sects struggling for power and when a President favors his sect over the other than he is seeking blood maybe not as brutal as Saddam, but the result is one if you ask me.

Shias were literally oppressed under Saddam. They were basically the second-class citizens. And they were more than 60% of the population. Maliki is not even close to such level. He indeed fucked up though when he single-handedly, instructed by Iran, put an end to all hopes of a power-sharing government in Iraq. Sunnis are of course not happy (and Saudi's been playing their dirty role in stirring the pot) but in no way can you even compare the systematic discrimination against Shias (and Kurds among other minorities) to what's currently going on in Iraq.

As for Iran's role, I agree, and this is the sad part actually, they can calm things there as much as they can create chaos, that's what they have been doing for few years now alongside Bashar. No wonder why Al Qaeda/Da'ash/Nasra never made an attempt on Iran, not a single try actually, which makes me think that Iran somehow are also in-control of those groups some way.

Iran is not the source of any unrest in the region, believe it or not. Iran's regime is ideologically divorced from those groups. Da'ash/Nasra making an attempt on Iran? Man, we are talking about a couple of terrorist groups who are born in politically unstable environments preferably when religion is an inseparable part of the society and the people's lives and are relevant as long as they bomb themselves here and there. Iran is politically stable and has a powerful army (Sepah). Those groups are certainly supported financially and ideologically by some powers but both logic and history say it's Saudi and their friends.

Noob question. Is there a huge difference in population percentages between the Sunnis and the Shias in Iraq like in countries such as Syria and Bahrain?

It's almost 65-35% Shia-Sunni.

 

[Martin]

It's almost 65-35% Shia-Sunni.

No need to say which one Guardiola is coaching.

 

[king Ale]

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No need to say which one Guardiola is coaching.

Which apparently doesn't work anymore

 

[Tommy]

No need to say which one Guardiola is coaching.

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what an absolute shithole middle east has become save for gcc

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not as if gcc is great or anything

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So remember when Bush had intelligence of WMDs .....
Isis jihadists have seized a chemical weapons facility built by Saddam Hussein which contains a stockpile of old weapons, State Department officials have told the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. officials don’t believe the Sunni militants will be able to create a functional chemical weapon from the material. The weapons stockpiled at the Al Muthanna complex are old, contaminated and hard to move, officials said.

Nonetheless, the capture of the chemical-weapon stockpile by the forces of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, known as ISIS or ISIL, the militant group that is seizing territory in the country, has grabbed the attention of the U.S.

“We remain concerned about the seizure of any military site by the ISIL,” Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said in a written statement. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to safely move the materials.”

They continued with reporting on Saddam Hussein’s history of using these weapons.

The remaining chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein’s regime are stored in two sealed bunkers, both located at the Al Muthanna Chemicals Weapons Complex, a large site in the western desert some 80km north west of Baghdad.

This was the principal manufacturing plant for both chemical agents and munitions during Saddam Hussein’s rule.

Thousands of tonnes of chemical weapons were produced, stored and deployed by the Saddam Hussein regime. Iraq used these weapons during the Iran – Iraq War (1980 to 1988) and against the Kurds in Halabja in 1988.

The chemical weapons that were seized from the facility include mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and VX.

 

[king Ale]

So remember when Bush had intelligence of WMDs .....
Isis jihadists have seized a chemical weapons facility built by Saddam Hussein which contains a stockpile of old weapons, State Department officials have told the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. officials don’t believe the Sunni militants will be able to create a functional chemical weapon from the material. The weapons stockpiled at the Al Muthanna complex are old, contaminated and hard to move, officials said.

Nonetheless, the capture of the chemical-weapon stockpile by the forces of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, known as ISIS or ISIL, the militant group that is seizing territory in the country, has grabbed the attention of the U.S.

“We remain concerned about the seizure of any military site by the ISIL,” Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said in a written statement. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to safely move the materials.”

They continued with reporting on Saddam Hussein’s history of using these weapons.

The remaining chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein’s regime are stored in two sealed bunkers, both located at the Al Muthanna Chemicals Weapons Complex, a large site in the western desert some 80km north west of Baghdad.

This was the principal manufacturing plant for both chemical agents and munitions during Saddam Hussein’s rule.

Thousands of tonnes of chemical weapons were produced, stored and deployed by the Saddam Hussein regime. Iraq used these weapons during the Iran – Iraq War (1980 to 1988) and against the Kurds in Halabja in 1988.

The chemical weapons that were seized from the facility include mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and VX.

As if Saddam's regime was capable of producing that shit without the aid of the US who so conveniently ignored Iraq's use of those weapons during the war with Iran and specifically in Halabja but of course used it as an excuse to invade Iraq several years later.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

As if Saddam's regime was capable of producing that $#@! without the aid of the US who so conveniently ignored Iraq's use of those weapons during the war with Iran and specifically in Halabja but of course used it as an excuse to invade Iraq several years later.

Well that's definitely one possibility but they also could have had Russia, or others help them

 

[Enron]

So remember when Bush had intelligence of WMDs .....
Isis jihadists have seized a chemical weapons facility built by Saddam Hussein which contains a stockpile of old weapons, State Department officials have told the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. officials don’t believe the Sunni militants will be able to create a functional chemical weapon from the material. The weapons stockpiled at the Al Muthanna complex are old, contaminated and hard to move, officials said.

Nonetheless, the capture of the chemical-weapon stockpile by the forces of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, known as ISIS or ISIL, the militant group that is seizing territory in the country, has grabbed the attention of the U.S.

“We remain concerned about the seizure of any military site by the ISIL,” Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said in a written statement. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to safely move the materials.”

They continued with reporting on Saddam Hussein’s history of using these weapons.

The remaining chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein’s regime are stored in two sealed bunkers, both located at the Al Muthanna Chemicals Weapons Complex, a large site in the western desert some 80km north west of Baghdad.

This was the principal manufacturing plant for both chemical agents and munitions during Saddam Hussein’s rule.

Thousands of tonnes of chemical weapons were produced, stored and deployed by the Saddam Hussein regime. Iraq used these weapons during the Iran – Iraq War (1980 to 1988) and against the Kurds in Halabja in 1988.

The chemical weapons that were seized from the facility include mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and VX.

Those aren't the WMDs we were looking for.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Those aren't the WMDs we were looking for.

Actually those where on the list

 

[icemaη]

So you guys spent years there and couldn't find that shit but these dudes show up and find them in under a week.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So you guys spent years there and couldn't find that $#@! but these dudes show up and find them in under a week.

They were def moved over the border when we gave then the 24 hr bull then moved back

 

[Enron]

Actually those where on the list

The ones we gave him were the ones we were looking for? Nuclear.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The ones we gave him were the ones we were looking for? Nuclear.

Yes nuclear was some of them but not all the weapons.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

So remember when Bush had intelligence of WMDs .....
Isis jihadists have seized a chemical weapons facility built by Saddam Hussein which contains a stockpile of old weapons, State Department officials have told the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. officials don’t believe the Sunni militants will be able to create a functional chemical weapon from the material. The weapons stockpiled at the Al Muthanna complex are old, contaminated and hard to move, officials said.

Nonetheless, the capture of the chemical-weapon stockpile by the forces of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, known as ISIS or ISIL, the militant group that is seizing territory in the country, has grabbed the attention of the U.S.

“We remain concerned about the seizure of any military site by the ISIL,” Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said in a written statement. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to safely move the materials.”

They continued with reporting on Saddam Hussein’s history of using these weapons.

The remaining chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein’s regime are stored in two sealed bunkers, both located at the Al Muthanna Chemicals Weapons Complex, a large site in the western desert some 80km north west of Baghdad.

This was the principal manufacturing plant for both chemical agents and munitions during Saddam Hussein’s rule.

Thousands of tonnes of chemical weapons were produced, stored and deployed by the Saddam Hussein regime. Iraq used these weapons during the Iran – Iraq War (1980 to 1988) and against the Kurds in Halabja in 1988.

The chemical weapons that were seized from the facility include mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and VX.

They were def moved over the border when we gave then the 24 hr bull then moved back

this is what sucks about being indoctrinated

 

[AndreaCristiano]

this is what sucks about being indoctrinated

You do know that the Iraq war was 10 years ago and that stockpile would have been in a very different state then in a more stable county instead of now when it was probably abandoned in a dessert ?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You do know that the Iraq war was 10 years ago and that stockpile would have been in a very different state then in a more stable county instead of now when it was probably abandoned in a dessert ?

no offense but that makes 0 sense. the article talks of old material to make WMD's, what you are saying has nothing to do with the contents of the article.

 

[Trequartista]

WMDs?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

no offense but that makes 0 sense. the article talks of old material to make WMD's, what you are saying has nothing to do with the contents of the article.

Just saying the weapons at the time could have easily been there and moved. I remember like it was yesterday bush announces it and give Saddam 24hrs to give into the demands or else. How plausible is it that those 24hrs were used to move shit around? I mean who the f gives someone time to tell them that shit is hitting the fan

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Just saying the weapons at the time could have easily been there and moved. I remember like it was yesterday bush announces it and give Saddam 24hrs to give into the demands or else. How plausible is it that those 24hrs were used to move shit around? I mean who the f gives someone time to tell them that shit is hitting the fan

not plausible at all, where would it be moved? how could it be moved without being spotted especially on the eve of an offensive? who in their right mind would accept it and give the US a reason to invade them too? the bush administration lied and even admitted it.