Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (19 Viewers)

[Fred]

thats just rhetoric, also who buys isis oil?

You can say that about almost any group that follows an ideology.

You really think Turkey would consciously and directly help them?

 

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[Bjerknes]

thats just rhetoric, also who buys isis oil?

Good question, I would wager that Israel does.

 

[Fred]

How about it was the only way for turkey to get rid of kurds via ISIS?

I doubt its the only way, but about using ISIS to achieve certain goals, can't the same be said of the US at one point? also Saudi Arabia and others?

 

[Bjerknes]

Trouble that the USA have started in the first place by destabilizing the region, invading Iraq, arming extremist rebels, and so on.

Obama can shut the $#@! up anyways, he does what Wall Street orders him to do. Weakest president ever along with Bush Jr. and Carter.

I'd honestly take Bush over Obama at this point.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Some sources say that Jordan does through intermediaries...

i think it's turkey

You can say that about almost any group that follows an ideology.

You really think Turkey would consciously and directly help them?

so whats your point? and i think turkey does whats best for them, they would buy the oil knowing isis would never provoke them into full on war.

Good question, I would wager that Israel does.

another good possibility

 

[Tevez10]

I doubt its the only way, but about using ISIS to achieve certain goals, can't the same be said of the US at one point? also Saudi Arabia and others?

Yeah but think about it! All foreign fighters that joined ISIS came through Turkey, and they didn't do anything to stop them! Turkey and ISIS have same enemy, Kurds, well ISIS have a lot of enemies.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

How about it was the only way for turkey to get rid of kurds via ISIS?

Kurds is wrong word to use, Kurdish people are not the problem to get rid of but the ones in charge of Kurdish people. They don't represent values of their people, you know it's common in region. Non-Islamic always prefered by West to rule Muslim nations. They are marxist and have an ideal like founding a so called Great Kurdistan which will be a very poor imitation of North Korea. Nobody would like that.

They have even allied themselves with Assad who has been treating Kurds like shit, some of them couldn't even get a citizenship from government. Yet they allied themselves with Assad and fought against Sunnis and their rebellion. Now despite being Sunnis, Kurdish people are being victimized because the ones in charge placed a bet on wrong horse and paying for it.

 

[ReBeL]

I know the region is already on fire but these breaking news are really shocking...

Jordan military forces head just announced that Israeli spying tools were found in Ajloun, a city north of Jordan!
This is weird knowing that the two regimes are allies.
I'm not saying that the Israeli spying is the weird thing (They have been doing this all over the world since ages), but to be announced by the head of the military forces is the weird thing!

Edit: Forget about it.
Prime minister just announced it was planted there since 45 years!

 

[Trequartista]

Good question, I would wager that Israel does.

Me too.

 

[ReBeL]

IS is very close from controlling the grave area of Sulaiman Shah (In north Syria), a monument of a historical character that Turks rate as the first founder of the Ottoman empire. This area is the only area that is guarded by Turkish soldiers out of Turkey. It seems this will be the reason of the conflict between Turkiye and IS unless they find a solution.

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[AFL_ITALIA]

What do they expect? Turkish Army to enter Syria and fight for a marxist terrorist group who want to take their lands, killing their people for last 30 years?

Speaking of which...

Hesitant Turkey Seeks Mandate for Military Action Against Islamic State

ISTANBUL — Turkey is likely to gain parliamentary approval for cross-border military operations in Syria and Iraq this week as Islamic State insurgents threaten its territory, but it will be hesitant to send in troops without an internationally-enforced no-fly zone.

Turkish tanks and armoured vehicles took up positions on hills overlooking the besieged Syrian border town of Kobani on Monday as shelling by the Sunni Muslim militants intensified and stray fire hit Turkish soil.

The Islamic State advance to within clear sight of the Turkish army has piled pressure on Ankara to take a more robust stance against the militants as part of the U.S.-led coalition carrying out air strikes in Iraq and Syria.

Turkey, a NATO member with long borders with both countries, has so far declined to take a frontline role, fearful partly that the military action will strengthen Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and bolster Kurdish militants allied to Kurds in Turkey who have fought for three decades for greater autonomy.

It also argues that air strikes alone will do little to address long-term instability on its 1,200 km southern frontier.

But its rhetoric has hardened since 46 Turkish hostages, whose captivity at the hands of Islamic State militants made it wary of taking action, were released this month.

Parliament will vote on Thursday on a government proposal, expected to be submitted on Tuesday, to authorise military action in Iraq and Syria. That will extend a mandate initially intended to allow Turkey to strike Kurdish militants in northern Iraq and defend itself against any threat from Assad's forces.

"We need to show solidarity. We cannot remain outside this campaign," President Tayyip Erdogan told a meeting of the World Economic Forum in Istanbul on Sunday, vowing Turkey's commitment to the fight against Islamic State but insisting that U.S.-led air strikes alone were not enough.

"That will not be sufficient. There is a ground dimension to it," he said, arguing that groups fighting Islamic State, including Kurdish peshmerga forces in northern Iraq and the Iraqi army, needed to be given more support.

Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said the mandate would cover "all possible threats and risks". He also said Islamic State militants were advancing on the tomb of Suleyman Shah, grandfather of the founder of the Ottoman Empire, in northern Syria, which Ankara regards as sovereign Turkish territory.

Islamic State has destroyed several shrines and tombs sacred to Shi'ites and other sects, stirring fears in Turkey that their next target might be Suleyman Shah. Turkey has said it will defend the mausoleum.

Pro-government newspaper Sabah said that two military brigades, comprising around 10,000 soldiers, were on alert on the border to secure a "safe zone" for civilians inside Syrian territory, backed if necessary by military helicopters, with fighter jets providing reconnaissance.

But senior officials have indicated that while Turkey will defend its borders, it is unlikely to intervene unilaterally on the ground in Syria or Iraq, and that a no-fly zone along its frontier policed by the U.S.-led coalition is a key demand.

It is also wary of taking any action around the predominantly Kurdish town of Kobani that could strengthen Syrian Kurds linked to PKK militants who fought a long insurgency in southeastern Turkey for greater Kurdish rights.

"We have first of all to assure the security of our border. That is why we should take a step with respect to a no-fly zone, and we have to have a safe zone," Erdogan said.

DIVERGENT AIMS

Turkey first floated the idea of a no-fly zone on the Syrian side of the border more than two years ago, arguing it was necessary to tip the military balance in favour of rebels fighting Assad's forces. At the time, the United States was not willing to get involved in the conflict.

Turkish officials pushed the idea again in meetings on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York last week, but the plan has failed to gain much traction in Washington or with other members of the U.S.-led coalition.

"This has been an idea that has been out there, as you know, for some time ... It's not an easy thing to implement," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said on Monday, echoing comments by General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, that such a plan was not on the table.

It is more than just an operational disagreement.

Washington wants Turkey, with the second largest army in NATO and a major U.S. airbase in its southern town of Incirlik, to play a bigger role in the fight against Islamic State, but does not see the removal of Assad as part of that strategy.

Turkey, by contrast, has been a staunch backer of the Syrian opposition and believes Assad's departure and a long-term political strategy in Iraq are necessities if there is any hope of preventing years of instability plaguing its southern border.

Turkish officials have said the Incirlik base has not so far been used for air strikes in Syria or Iraq. It was not immediately clear whether the new mandate would change that.

"What is important for Turkey is that countries like the United States determine a comprehensive policy for Iraq and Syria," said a senior Turkish official, adding that the release of the hostages alone would not bring about a change in stance.

"Turkey has relieved a lot (of pressure) by securing the release of its hostages but Turkey has a Syria policy and it is still continuing. The departure of Assad, the recognition of the opposition there, restoring stability and the removal of terrorist elements are all key points for Turkey," he said.

"Every action should have a political logic."

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014...ters-mideast-crisis-turkey.html?referrer&_r=0

 

[Enron]

Dem Turks be scurr'd.

 

[Trequartista]

I'd honestly take Bush over Obama at this point.

There's little difference between them, they're both absolute puppets.

 

[swag]

IS is very close from controlling the grave area of Sulaiman Shah (In north Syria), a monument of a historical character that Turks rate as the first founder of the Ottoman empire. This area is the only area that is guarded by Turkish soldiers out of Turkey. It seems this will be the reason of the conflict between Turkiye and IS unless they find a solution.

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By an American artist...

The US is all into domestic fracking now. Oil is not the reason America is meddling in this ISIS nonsense this time.

 

[Trequartista]

The US is all into domestic fracking now. Oil is not the reason America is meddling in this ISIS nonsense this time.

Nope, it's all geopolitics, as was the thing about arming Syrian rebels. They know that if they don't intervene against ISIS Iran will and that would boost Iran's status in the region, and the Pentagon doesn't want that to happen,

 

[ReBeL]

US Marines crisis unit to deploy to Mideast

Washington (AFP) - The US Marine Corps plans to deploy 2,300 troops to the Middle East for a new unit designed to quickly respond to crises in the volatile region, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

It will include several aircraft and be prepared to move rapidly in the case of "contingencies," Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby told reporters.

The idea for the task force originated in 2013 -- before the current US air campaign against the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria -- and was not related "to the ongoing operations in Iraq," Kirby said.

A senior Marine Corps officer said last week that the new task force for the Middle East region would be based out of Kuwait.

The "special purpose marine air ground task force" is part of a push by the military to improve its ability to respond to crises, including embassy evacuations, following a deadly attack on a US diplomatic post in the Libyan city of Benghazi in 2012.

The US Marine Corps has already set up a similar unit in Moron, Spain that is assigned to the Africa region.

 

[ReBeL]

News coming from Iraq today morning say that a surprising attack by IS has resulted in controlling a huge area west of Iraq called Heet where more than half million people are living...
The Iraqi army ran like rats as usual...

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

 

[ReBeL]

Hit area was still not controlled by them in the map. Look how this area will strengthen their lines to Baghdad.

Also, if you see, the area east of Homs is getting bigger. They seem serious in what they promised the people of Homs who were forced to leave their houses by the Assad regime telling them that they will make sure they will go back to their city as soon as possible...

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Rumors coming from Kobane city, north of Syria, says that IS fighters have just entered the city after huge clashes with Kurdish fighters. Kobane is the third largest Kurd city in Syria...

Waiting for a confirmation for these news.

 

[Raz]

Wtf, how many are of them, how can they control such large areas?