Also, even though i disagree with Turk. It is cheap to say he doesn't care about dying protestors just because he disagrees with you guys. Very cheap indeed.
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No, Fred, I actually said the same thing in that very post you quoted 
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I don't think any country should have nuclear weapons. But I do think that Israel are a more stable factor than Iran.
.I don't think any country should have nuclear weapons. But I do think that Israel are a more stable factor than Iran.
It's Israel that's in a constant conflict with another country not Iran. Also it's Israel that demonstrated it's ability to use banned substances against civilians not Iran. So i wouldn't be so sure about "more stable"
Perhaps, but this discussion isn't about Israel and it isn't about the Mossad. That Turk immediately started talking about Israel shows you what kind of guy he really is. I think you're underestimating how much Turk would sacrifice to reach his goals .
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It does? I don't think so. I disagree with him too, that does not mean you can take cheap shots at him and say he doesn't care about innocent lives, just because he disagrees with you.
I'm fed up with this "west benefiting from Shiites and Sunnis killing each other" bullshit. We have to stop living with our delusions. For years we've been suffering from our outmoded traditions and laws which have been keeping us from developing. What we have to get rid of is not our delusional enemy which is apparently being placed in west being ruled by Zionists. This is our own illiteracy, this is our own ignorance we need to throw out. My grandma knows nothing about CIA and Mossad. She isn't influenced by west's media. The only thing she knows is that she hates Sunnis and Jews.
Have you ever listened to Ahmadinejad speeches? What about Iran's supreme leader's? They believe [we're the most developed, the freest country in the World with the most talented people and Europe, the US and Israel are envying us. We're the paradise of the universe, all the people in Iran are loving government and the leader. Western governments are sitting there only and only watching us, the Muslims. They can't sleep calmly without thinking about Iran]. The fact on the other hand, is that more than 50% of our top ten universities' students are applying for universities of these goddamn corrupt Western countries and they never come back to their beloved paradise.
The hell with Shimon Perez and Obama, Iranians DID NOT vote for Ahmadinejad. We're fighting to get our votes back. Shimon Perez can babble all he wants for all I care, Obama is free either to defend us or to congratulate Ahmadinejad, we don't give a damn to be honest. We want our votes back. We're not strong enough to fulfill our dreams and we're aware of this but the government has paid a lot so far and even though they'll make our voices silent in the end, people are the only and the final winners of this all.
You are a Muslim Turk. You know that Islam's main goal was to bring people of each kind, freedom, brotherhood and equality. Forget about Israel and name me an Islamic government which is providing its people those values.
For more than four years, I've known you in this forum, I've been reading your posts and I've been through your ideas about different matters. Your tendency to see everything either all white or all black is not a new thing to me.
However, you will one day understand that reality, as someone said, is like a broken glass. Everyone is holding a small part of it, seeing a small part of the reality in it and believing that he knows the whole of it. You'll also understand that you can't sit at your desk, following the situation in the furthest parts of the world by the media, either it's BBC and CNN or it's mehrnews and Fars Agency. You need to be among the people. They know the best.
And only for your information, the governmental news agencies such as mehrnews have been searching for CIA members among the protesters since the first days of the protests and funny thing is that they're EASILY finding them. If CIA security system is that poor, I'm really failed to see how they could be responsible for all the disorders and crimes all over the world.
These news agencies had first reported two days ago that Neda's death (the girl who was killed in Amir-Abad st.) video was fake. Then when it appeared that the girl had been the philosophy student of Tehran Open university they reported that BBC had funded someone to kill the girl only to make a documentary out of her death in order to ruin the image of Iran's government. Your source is reliable, indeed.
I'm Iranian and I don't know. Enlighten me about it.
If you mean the vast executions of the 80's decade, Moosavi was the prime minister at the moment. To give you the whole idea about the prime minister's authorities in Islamic Republic of Iran's regime at that time, it was as much as the president's authorities in the current moment in our country. And, it is 10% of the whole power. The supreme leader is the main authority in Iran. After him, the Guardian Council, the Assembly of Experts and the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution and the Islamic Revolution Supreme Court hold the most of power in Iran. So it's sheer stupidity to believe that Moosavi had got any power to order those brutal executions at the time in which Imam Khomeini was alive.
Are your sources as credible as mehrnews Andy?
They started to count the votes at 8 p.m. At 9, the news agencies related to Ahmadinejad claimed Ahmadinejad's re-election. We, of course laughed at them, thinking that they wanted to spoil the atmosphere in favor of Ahmadinejad. All the candidates' representations were at the places in where the votes were being counted. Mohsen Makhmalbaf (Iranian director) who was one of the main Moosavi's campaign staffers said that one of the Interior Ministry chiefs had called Moosavi's campaign staff at the midnight and had told them that Moosavi is the winner of the elections with 60% of the whole votes. He told them to prepare their newspaper's title for the day after, asked them not choose a provocative title. At the same time, State TV shockingly declared Ahmadinejad's win with 62% of votes. People couldn't believe what they were hearing.
Have you ever listened to Ahmadinejad speeches? What about Iran's supreme leader's? They believe [we're the most developed, the freest country in the World with the most talented people and Europe, the US and Israel are envying us. We're the paradise of the universe, all the people in Iran are loving government and the leader. Western governments are sitting there only and only watching us, the Muslims. They can't sleep calmly without thinking about Iran]. The fact on the other hand, is that more than 50% of our top ten universities' students are applying for universities of these goddamn corrupt Western countries and they never come back to their beloved paradise.
The hell with Shimon Perez and Obama, Iranians DID NOT vote for Ahmadinejad. We're fighting to get our votes back. Shimon Perez can babble all he wants for all I care, Obama is free either to defend us or to congratulate Ahmadinejad, we don't give a damn to be honest. We want our votes back. We're not strong enough to fulfill our dreams and we're aware of this but the government has paid a lot so far and even though they'll make our voices silent in the end, people are the only and the final winners of this all.
You are a Muslim Turk. You know that Islam's main goal was to bring people of each kind, freedom, brotherhood and equality. Forget about Israel and name me an Islamic government which is providing its people those values.
For more than four years, I've known you in this forum, I've been reading your posts and I've been through your ideas about different matters. Your tendency to see everything either all white or all black is not a new thing to me.
However, you will one day understand that reality, as someone said, is like a broken glass. Everyone is holding a small part of it, seeing a small part of the reality in it and believing that he knows the whole of it. You'll also understand that you can't sit at your desk, following the situation in the furthest parts of the world by the media, either it's BBC and CNN or it's mehrnews and Fars Agency. You need to be among the people. They know the best.
And only for your information, the governmental news agencies such as mehrnews have been searching for CIA members among the protesters since the first days of the protests and funny thing is that they're EASILY finding them. If CIA security system is that poor, I'm really failed to see how they could be responsible for all the disorders and crimes all over the world.
These news agencies had first reported two days ago that Neda's death (the girl who was killed in Amir-Abad st.) video was fake. Then when it appeared that the girl had been the philosophy student of Tehran Open university they reported that BBC had funded someone to kill the girl only to make a documentary out of her death in order to ruin the image of Iran's government. Your source is reliable, indeed.
I'm Iranian and I don't know. Enlighten me about it.
If you mean the vast executions of the 80's decade, Moosavi was the prime minister at the moment. To give you the whole idea about the prime minister's authorities in Islamic Republic of Iran's regime at that time, it was as much as the president's authorities in the current moment in our country. And, it is 10% of the whole power. The supreme leader is the main authority in Iran. After him, the Guardian Council, the Assembly of Experts and the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution and the Islamic Revolution Supreme Court hold the most of power in Iran. So it's sheer stupidity to believe that Moosavi had got any power to order those brutal executions at the time in which Imam Khomeini was alive.
Are your sources as credible as mehrnews Andy?
They started to count the votes at 8 p.m. At 9, the news agencies related to Ahmadinejad claimed Ahmadinejad's re-election. We, of course laughed at them, thinking that they wanted to spoil the atmosphere in favor of Ahmadinejad. All the candidates' representations were at the places in where the votes were being counted. Mohsen Makhmalbaf (Iranian director) who was one of the main Moosavi's campaign staffers said that one of the Interior Ministry chiefs had called Moosavi's campaign staff at the midnight and had told them that Moosavi is the winner of the elections with 60% of the whole votes. He told them to prepare their newspaper's title for the day after, asked them not choose a provocative title. At the same time, State TV shockingly declared Ahmadinejad's win with 62% of votes. People couldn't believe what they were hearing.
Hoori, I'm not taking sides here. All I did was present information and noted that I wasn't sure about the source of the information. In honesty, while reading the piece it did seem mightily skewed, but I just wanted to post it considering many people around the world either strongly disagree with such a claim or believe it to be true.
I don't know how this makes me look like I'm taking a hard stance on the issue. Nobody really knows what is going on over there, especially Americans. I can't even trust my own media when it comes to foreign OR domestic affairs anymore, so that is why I search for other articles around the globe to get a perspective. But one thing I don't do is trust everything I read.
The people, including you, know best. I never claimed I knew anything about the current situation and I'm not taking a hardline stance. All I want is the best for the Iranian people.
It's really a give and take. Of course Ahmedinijhad will claim US involvement because that only provides fire in the belly for his supporters and those who may be on the edge of supporting him.
In the US, no matter the situation, government officials always claim the CIA isn't involved with anything.
The fact is, nobody knows for sure.
I didn't say my source was reliable.
Thank you for confirming it is not.
But reliable information in this world is hard to find these days.
Come on, Hoori. Do you really believe the US government never had any involvement in 1953? Both sides even admit to it.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
I somewhat understand how the system works, but from records it appears that Mousavi ordered his ambassador to target United States interests in Beirut. Whether or not Mousavi was taking orders from a higher authority, that could certainly be the case. I'm not quite sure. All I know is that a US Naval Commander had tapped the Iranian Embassy and they confirmed it was Mousavi.
OK, thanks for clearing that up.
Here in the States, our media (CNBC was what I was watching at the time) reported first that Mousavi had claimed victory with 65% of the votes. They didn't really say anything about Ahmedinijhad before that announcement.
I think this is the problem with all media outlets nowadays. What appears on television can be so easily skewed in one direction because people are too lazy to read. It's called selective journalism, and that's why I can't trust the US media either. They will only show the more "acceptable" story.
Anyways, I hope you understand that I'm not taking sides. I just want what's best for the Iranian people. I'm always suspicious of my own government because over time they have screwed up a lot of things around the world, and I don't want them to keep committing the same mistakes. It's counter-productive to everybody.
I don't know how this makes me look like I'm taking a hard stance on the issue. Nobody really knows what is going on over there, especially Americans. I can't even trust my own media when it comes to foreign OR domestic affairs anymore, so that is why I search for other articles around the globe to get a perspective. But one thing I don't do is trust everything I read.
The people, including you, know best. I never claimed I knew anything about the current situation and I'm not taking a hardline stance. All I want is the best for the Iranian people.
It's really a give and take. Of course Ahmedinijhad will claim US involvement because that only provides fire in the belly for his supporters and those who may be on the edge of supporting him.
In the US, no matter the situation, government officials always claim the CIA isn't involved with anything.
The fact is, nobody knows for sure.
I didn't say my source was reliable.
Thank you for confirming it is not.
But reliable information in this world is hard to find these days.
Come on, Hoori. Do you really believe the US government never had any involvement in 1953? Both sides even admit to it.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
I somewhat understand how the system works, but from records it appears that Mousavi ordered his ambassador to target United States interests in Beirut. Whether or not Mousavi was taking orders from a higher authority, that could certainly be the case. I'm not quite sure. All I know is that a US Naval Commander had tapped the Iranian Embassy and they confirmed it was Mousavi.
OK, thanks for clearing that up.
Here in the States, our media (CNBC was what I was watching at the time) reported first that Mousavi had claimed victory with 65% of the votes. They didn't really say anything about Ahmedinijhad before that announcement.
I think this is the problem with all media outlets nowadays. What appears on television can be so easily skewed in one direction because people are too lazy to read. It's called selective journalism, and that's why I can't trust the US media either. They will only show the more "acceptable" story.
Anyways, I hope you understand that I'm not taking sides. I just want what's best for the Iranian people. I'm always suspicious of my own government because over time they have screwed up a lot of things around the world, and I don't want them to keep committing the same mistakes. It's counter-productive to everybody.
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