Respect to that girl indeed. Someone had to stand up to that immoral little fucker 
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When something is being said, what do you notice at first? The context or the one who's uttering it? Judging what's being said by "the one" who's saying it is like judging Islam by the Muslims. I'm sure you'll be offended if someone bases his judgment about Islam on Taliban.
People don't bomb shrines and mosques. They might cause damages in streets, shops, buses, etc but they don't kill ordinary people. From the very first days of the protests in Tehran, the government started calling the millions of protesters "some unimportant and unworthy rioters who are financially being fed by The US and Israel". Take a look at these people; Do they really look like some rioters who have been fed by the US to bomb shrines and mosques?
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Sorry to disappoint you here Tahir, but no one cares about the meaning of "Allahu Akbar" when he/she chants it from the rooftops at 10 in the nights. It, for us, is not a cry against oppression, against kings and monarchs, against tyrannical and despotic rule. It doesn't remind us that in the end, the disposer of affairs and ultimate holder of legitimacy is not any man, not any king or queen, not even any supreme leader, but ultimately a divine force out and above directing, caring and fighting for a more peaceful, rule-based, just and free world for people to live in. We actually doesn't have enough time to think about this much of meanings. We're also not in the right mood to do it.
Iran's Islamic Revolution won by the cries of Allahu Akbar which were being chanted from the rooftops 30 years ago. These concepts you pointed out might be applied for that time. People overturned Shah of Iran and celebrated the biggest victory of Iran's history. They became disappointed only two years later when the mullahs regime who had revived the Islamic basics, teachings, and "chants" for the people who truly loved Islam, a regime who was supposed to bring people freedom, started to establish a dictatorship. A regime who was supposed to defend the lives of people started to kill them. Started to ban everyone who was opposing them. Started to execute communists and anti-Islam groups. Started to imprison everyone who was criticizing them. All of this happened, in the holy name of Islam. Allahu Akbar might be such a meaningful chant for my parents but not for me.
There are two simple reasons for people chanting the same "Allahu Akbar" these days:
1- It's the sign by which our parents overthrew the dictator of their time.
2- It's an Islamic chant for God's sake. By yelling it on our rooftops, the government can't jail us. We're yelling "Allahu Akbar" after all. It's the safest chant we can use these days, to show our unity. We can't chant "down with Ahmadinejad", you know.
People were robbed and it's not media. One day after the results' announcement, cell phone lines got blocked. All the opposition's sites, facebook and yahoo mail got filtered. ONLY one day after the announcement of results, the close supporters of Moosavi and Karoobi were arrested. Two newspapers which were supporting the candidates other than Ahmadinejad were banned. It's not media. They attacked Tehran University three days after the election's results being announced (+, +, +). It's not media. 5 student were killed (+, +). It's not media. Twenty of my university friends have been arrested since a week ago. It's not media. Tear gases, batons' hits, bullets, screams and blood are not media. Stones and rocks are not media. This is all being done by a government who supposedly has got 24 millions votes.
Iran is a country being governed by funny rules. There's a council (Guardian Council) which is certifying the qualification of the candidates. This council along with the interior ministry (the minister has been chosen by Ahmadinejad) is controlling the justness of the elections. They're observing if some fraud is taking place before, during or after the elections. Four of this council's members clearly supported Ahmadinejad before the elections (the council is consisted of 12 members). Six of the council's members are being chosen by the supreme leader of Iran who's claimed himself that he's supporting Ahmadinejad. Now that people are being sure of the fraud, do you know which legal authority is gonna make the final confirmation? The Guardian Council.
You all might think that we were fools to have the slightest hopes to see a fair election and I'll tell you yes, we were fools but we were also sure that our amount is extremely larger than the Ahmadinejad's fans' and we believed that this would require the government and the council a blatant fraud and we honestly didn't believe they could get that shameless to make such a fraud.
King Ale, there is no reason you should waste time on Antares pretentious douchebaggery, that statement its nothing but an affront, to actually deem the beyond unspeakable fvcked up shit that has happend and keeps happening in 2 weeks now, as "not worth discussing", is fucking retarded.
And here is an "interesting" interview, I really cant believe anyone would have the fvcking nerve (I dare you to defend this Turk):
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we're anxious to hear your government's response to all of these developments which have been very dramatic over the past two weeks.
A key question many people around the world are asking is, why did your security forces kill that 26 year-old beautiful student named Nada?
MOHAMMAD HASSAN GHADIRI, IRANIAN AMBASSADOR TO MEXICO: I prefer to answer this in Persian.Neda Agha Soltan
BLITZER: Go ahead.
GHADIRI (through translator): This death of Ms. Nada is very suspicious. She was shot from behind. The location was where there was not much demonstration, there was no police presence and the gun that shot and killed her was a smuggled gun. It was not a government-issued gun.
BLITZER: There have been others, though, that have been killed, as well.
GHADIRI (through translator): In our view, this would be the work of those who wanted to put more fuel to the flame against the government.
I'll tell you what Mr. Andreotti, who was an Italian politician who was the Prime Minister of Italy. Mr. Andreotti was talking about a terrorist group, the Gladiators, and CIA had found that. And therefore, the United States was for the Communists to come to power during the election. That's why they would terror assassinate anti-Communist people and politicians and they would blame the Communists for that.
It's natural that the public opinion may believe that assassinated person like that was....
...an anti-terrorist, anti-Communist. The public opinion could be formed that the Communists had assassinated the terrorism. This is the thing that has been continued.
My question is that how is that this Nada was shot from behind and several cameras take that. And this is done in an area where there was no important demonstration. If the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the elements of the government, and then choosing a girl would be something good for them because it would have much higher impact.
Therefore, we believe and we are looking into this to find who the elements were who did this.
BLITZER: Are you seriously accusing the CIA of killing Neda?
GHADIRI (through translator): We say that the bullet that was found in her head was not a bullet that you could find in Iran.
These are the bullets that the CIA and terrorist groups use. Of course they warned that there would be a bloodshed in these demonstrations and then they could attribute that to the Islamic republic. This is part of a common act of CIA in various countries.
BLITZER: Do you really believe that, Mr. Ambassador?
You're a distinguished diplomat representing Iran. This is a very serious accusation that you're making, that the CIA was responsible for killing this beautiful, young woman.
GHADIRI (through translator): I'm not saying that the CIA had done this. There are different groups. Could be intelligence services, could be CIA, could be the terrorists.
However, these are the people who do these things. You could ask Mr. Andreotti, who was an Italian diplomat whether Gladitators were a secret group related to CIA or not. Now they of course they use better methods. Of course, you're not going to say that CIA is a sacred organization that hasn't done anything to other worlds.
BLITZER: Mr. Ambassador, why won't your government allow people to go mourn at a memorial service for Nada, as her family has requested?
GHADIRI (through translator): We have no problem with mournings. Naturally we don't want to provide an opportunity for the rioters to come in and make the situation worse.
-- Andrew Malcolm
And here is an "interesting" interview, I really cant believe anyone would have the fvcking nerve (I dare you to defend this Turk):
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we're anxious to hear your government's response to all of these developments which have been very dramatic over the past two weeks.
A key question many people around the world are asking is, why did your security forces kill that 26 year-old beautiful student named Nada?
MOHAMMAD HASSAN GHADIRI, IRANIAN AMBASSADOR TO MEXICO: I prefer to answer this in Persian.Neda Agha Soltan
BLITZER: Go ahead.
GHADIRI (through translator): This death of Ms. Nada is very suspicious. She was shot from behind. The location was where there was not much demonstration, there was no police presence and the gun that shot and killed her was a smuggled gun. It was not a government-issued gun.
BLITZER: There have been others, though, that have been killed, as well.
GHADIRI (through translator): In our view, this would be the work of those who wanted to put more fuel to the flame against the government.
I'll tell you what Mr. Andreotti, who was an Italian politician who was the Prime Minister of Italy. Mr. Andreotti was talking about a terrorist group, the Gladiators, and CIA had found that. And therefore, the United States was for the Communists to come to power during the election. That's why they would terror assassinate anti-Communist people and politicians and they would blame the Communists for that.
It's natural that the public opinion may believe that assassinated person like that was....
...an anti-terrorist, anti-Communist. The public opinion could be formed that the Communists had assassinated the terrorism. This is the thing that has been continued.
My question is that how is that this Nada was shot from behind and several cameras take that. And this is done in an area where there was no important demonstration. If the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the elements of the government, and then choosing a girl would be something good for them because it would have much higher impact.
Therefore, we believe and we are looking into this to find who the elements were who did this.
BLITZER: Are you seriously accusing the CIA of killing Neda?
GHADIRI (through translator): We say that the bullet that was found in her head was not a bullet that you could find in Iran.
These are the bullets that the CIA and terrorist groups use. Of course they warned that there would be a bloodshed in these demonstrations and then they could attribute that to the Islamic republic. This is part of a common act of CIA in various countries.
BLITZER: Do you really believe that, Mr. Ambassador?
You're a distinguished diplomat representing Iran. This is a very serious accusation that you're making, that the CIA was responsible for killing this beautiful, young woman.
GHADIRI (through translator): I'm not saying that the CIA had done this. There are different groups. Could be intelligence services, could be CIA, could be the terrorists.
However, these are the people who do these things. You could ask Mr. Andreotti, who was an Italian diplomat whether Gladitators were a secret group related to CIA or not. Now they of course they use better methods. Of course, you're not going to say that CIA is a sacred organization that hasn't done anything to other worlds.
BLITZER: Mr. Ambassador, why won't your government allow people to go mourn at a memorial service for Nada, as her family has requested?
GHADIRI (through translator): We have no problem with mournings. Naturally we don't want to provide an opportunity for the rioters to come in and make the situation worse.
-- Andrew Malcolm
i wasn't gonna post here anymore but if you want an answer,
we can not know if it was CIA or not. but you can't underestimate their power.they are riding their horses across the world. my country has seen 4 succesfull coup d'etat.every one of them was USA's wish and CIA's operations. Last succesful one was in 1997. elected government was ''too much muslim'' for them, they were making pacts between Turks and Arabs.
last attempt(2003,2004,2006..) was failed and you know how? because usa wanted so. new ''junta'' was more russian than american.
USA and Israel don't give a shit about protestors or their freedom. Their only wish is fucking up Iran's nuclear development. Iran must complete their own nuclear as soon as possible. I don't say they should nuke someone. those will be deterrent. Israel have plenty of nuke in their stock. Those nukes were Kennedy's cause of death.
btw, Osman do you know AbdulHamid II, last real Caliph of Islam world? his fight for Palestine? his meeting with founder of zionism? what has happened to him? what has happened to Palestine after him? he has been accused of being supreme leader, restricting freedom too.
we can not know if it was CIA or not. but you can't underestimate their power.they are riding their horses across the world. my country has seen 4 succesfull coup d'etat.every one of them was USA's wish and CIA's operations. Last succesful one was in 1997. elected government was ''too much muslim'' for them, they were making pacts between Turks and Arabs.
last attempt(2003,2004,2006..) was failed and you know how? because usa wanted so. new ''junta'' was more russian than american.
USA and Israel don't give a shit about protestors or their freedom. Their only wish is fucking up Iran's nuclear development. Iran must complete their own nuclear as soon as possible. I don't say they should nuke someone. those will be deterrent. Israel have plenty of nuke in their stock. Those nukes were Kennedy's cause of death.
btw, Osman do you know AbdulHamid II, last real Caliph of Islam world? his fight for Palestine? his meeting with founder of zionism? what has happened to him? what has happened to Palestine after him? he has been accused of being supreme leader, restricting freedom too.
This will sound arrogant, but one can tell that there's something wrong with Iran's institutional system by hearing the name Guardian Council alone. And on top of that there are of course several blatant violations of the rules of democracy, as you just mentioned. The way they get their position is insane.
As for your hopes.. you have to hope. And elections like these will change the future. You can't keep messing with people like that.
As for your hopes.. you have to hope. And elections like these will change the future. You can't keep messing with people like that.
If Iran was really on the verge of making an atomic bomb, it would be very very bad news for the citizens of Iran. Let's all hope for their sake that it won't happen. You're an ignorant man for believing it will do any good, Turk. And let's not have the conspiracy theories, unless you're going to show me any empirical evidence. Is the Kennedy you're talking about JFK?
I agree that it's bad news. Hell, it's bad news for any country to have them. But Israel, even though showing despicable behaviour only a few months ago, won't use them. They show predictable behaviour. Iran is a different story. And the people who would suffer the most from a nuclear programme in Iran would be the Iranians. The country would be off the map, Turk. Not a good idea at all.
Oh and the things about JFK and 9/11 are laughable for obvious reasons. I asked for empirical evidence. And now don't come up with some dodgy website.
Oh and the things about JFK and 9/11 are laughable for obvious reasons. I asked for empirical evidence. And now don't come up with some dodgy website.
Israel won't use them? I feel better, thanks for clarification.so they are collecting nuclears as a hobby.
There is only thing can prevent them from using nuclears. Iran must have same weapon in their hands. why Israel and USA are trying to stop Iran's development? once they have nuclear power, nobody will mess with them easily.
The country would be off the map? North Korea was on the map when i checked.
about Kennedy and 9 / 11. I have no interest to convince you.
There is only thing can prevent them from using nuclears. Iran must have same weapon in their hands. why Israel and USA are trying to stop Iran's development? once they have nuclear power, nobody will mess with them easily.
The country would be off the map? North Korea was on the map when i checked.
about Kennedy and 9 / 11. I have no interest to convince you.
North Korea is not Iran. Iran holds no protection from international organisations whatsoever. Iran could also be seen in the light of the war on terror idea (although it's bullshit). No, they're pretty much doomed if they think they can pull it off.
Oh and nobody messes with the USA or Israel. If there is one organisation you don't want to have against you, it's the Mossad.
You have no interest to convince me because you can't. Someone told you the Mossad killed JFK and you mistook it for the truth.
Oh and nobody messes with the USA or Israel. If there is one organisation you don't want to have against you, it's the Mossad.
You have no interest to convince me because you can't. Someone told you the Mossad killed JFK and you mistook it for the truth.
USA presidents know it too. Kennedy has learned too late. That's why presidents after JFK has served Israel like slave dogs. That's what zionism is all about. once you give them your hand, you can't save your arm. I know it from my own nation's history.
And somebody told you the Mossad didn't killed JFK then you believed it. what's the difference?
And somebody told you the Mossad didn't killed JFK then you believed it. what's the difference?
You are a sick bastard,way more delusional then I thought. Watch who you are degrading by saying this delusional crap (you wouldnt sacrifice one you say, while you are pissing on the memory of one of them like this).
And I guess, this guy, like everyone else, her family included, are CIA operatives:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8119713.stm
And I guess, this guy, like everyone else, her family included, are CIA operatives:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8119713.stm
I don't piss on anyone's memory. saying that shoting the protestors could be a plot of cia doesn't mean i am not annoyed more than you when i see the incident.
location Istanbul,Taksim square.in 1 may 1977, labour day celebrations. 36 people killed by machine gun attack. in 1980 army has gained control in country by benefiting from chaos. 30 years later from the incident we learned that was an operation of counter-guerilla(Gladio). There are many examples in history. you can't underestimate power of stay-behind armies and secret organizations in state. even today most of them are still active.
location Istanbul,Taksim square.in 1 may 1977, labour day celebrations. 36 people killed by machine gun attack. in 1980 army has gained control in country by benefiting from chaos. 30 years later from the incident we learned that was an operation of counter-guerilla(Gladio). There are many examples in history. you can't underestimate power of stay-behind armies and secret organizations in state. even today most of them are still active.
There are 3 members here who would sacrifice all the Iranians and accept all of them to be killed, as long as Ahmadinejad is standing there as a threat to Israel.
You sick psychos.
And you know what's even more hilarious? During the 2006 Summer war in Lebanon vs Israel, Ahmadinijad was negotiating with the Americans
You know i was actually agreeing with all your posts in this thread today, every single point you made, until this.
Now i'm not saying Israel will use their nuclear weapons. I agree that Iran developing a nuclear weapon is a very bad idea. But i think its a bad idea for all country's to have nuclear weapons, be it Iran, Israel or even the US.
Double standards to say that it is somehow more acceptable for Israel to have a nuclear bomb than Iran. Both should be forced to give up their nuclear programs imo.
Now i'm not saying Israel will use their nuclear weapons. I agree that Iran developing a nuclear weapon is a very bad idea. But i think its a bad idea for all country's to have nuclear weapons, be it Iran, Israel or even the US.
Double standards to say that it is somehow more acceptable for Israel to have a nuclear bomb than Iran. Both should be forced to give up their nuclear programs imo.