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C4ISR

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Dec 18, 2005
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#41
bombing shrine, burning mosque don't help the cause.
Those incidents are not representative of the protesters at all, and is nothing compared to the totalitarian measures taken against the protesters right from the beginning.

Not to mention there have been reports from day 1 of plain clothed mercs instigating trouble on purpose so the government could "legitimately" come in and try and close things down. Whose to say they weren't behind those attacks? Who else would attack student dormatories? The youth are the strength behind this demonstration, yet were supposed to believe they are attacking other students? Bullshit.

The "surpeme leader" and Ahmadinejad are full of shit. They are nothing more than tyrants hiding behind religion. I really hope something meaningful comes out of this.
 

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Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
61,504
#42
I hope Iranian people will wake up before ''Nobel Peace Prize laureate'' start to spread them freedom along with phosphorus bombs.
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Israeli President Shimon Peres applauds Iranian street protesters

Israeli President Shimon Peres has applauded pro-reform protesters in Iran, saying he hopes for an end to Iran's hard-line leadership. Sunday's comments from Israel's ceremonial president are among the highest-level expressions of support for the protesters so far from Israel, Iran's bitter enemy.

Speaking to a Jewish group, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate called on young Iranians to “raise their voice for freedom.” Peres said he hoped Iran's “poor government will disappear.” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has suggested Israel should be “wiped off the map.” Israel has long been concerned that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, a charge Iran denies. Elsewhere in Damascus, Iran's regional ally Syria said the Persian country's disputed elections were an internal affair. The state-run Al-Thawra newspaper also said it would very difficult if not impossible to “break” the Iranian regime. Sunday's editorial in Al-Thawra marked the first Syrian comment to the political upheaval in Iran. Key Arab nations have so far kept silent on developments in Iran, seemingly reluctant to antagonize the powerful nation that sponsors militant groups like Hezbullah and Hamas. Al-Thawra described Iran as a cornerstone in the region's security and said the elections were “democratic”

regardless of the outcome.

22 June 2009, Monday
AP JERUSALEM, DAMASCUS

Seriously, do you have any shame whatsoever?



And as Seven said, sacrificies like this is sadly what the struggle for democracy entails, just reading this just.... :cry:

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,6240992.story

Family, friends mourn Iranian woman whose death was caught on video

Neda Agha-Soltan, 26, 'was a beam of light' and not an activist, friends say. The video footage of her bleeding to death on the street has turned her into an international symbol of the protest movement.

By Borzou Daragahi
12:49 PM PDT, June 22, 2009

Reporting from Tehran -- The first word came from abroad. An aunt in the United States called her Saturday in a panic. "Don't go out into the streets, Golshad," she told her. "They're killing people."

The relative proceeded to describe a video, airing on exile television channels that are jammed in Iran, in which a young woman is shown bleeding to death as her companion calls out, "Neda! Neda!"

A dark premonition swept over Golshad, who asked that her real name not be published. She began calling the cellphone and home number of her friend Neda Agha-Soltan who had gone to the chaotic demonstration with a group of friends, but Neda didn't answer.

At midnight, as the city continued to smolder, Golshad drove to the Agha-Soltan residence in the eastern Tehran Pars section of the capital.

As she heard the cries and wails and praising of God reverberating from the house, she crumpled, knowing that her worst fears were true.

"Neda! Neda!" the 25-year-old cried out. "What will I do?"

Neda Agha-Soltan, 26, was shot dead Saturday evening near the scene of clashes between pro-government militias and demonstrators who allege rampant vote-count fraud in the reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The jittery cellphone video footage of her bleeding on the street has turned "Neda" into an international symbol of the protest movement that ignited in the aftermath of the June 12 voting. To those who knew and loved Neda, she was far more than an icon. She was a daughter, sister and friend, a music and travel lover, a beautiful young woman in the prime of her life.

"She was a person full of joy," said her music teacher and close friend Hamid Panahi, who was among the mourners at her family home on Sunday, awaiting word of her burial. "She was a beam of light. I'm so sorry. I was so hopeful for this woman."

Security forces urged Neda's friends and family not to hold memorial services for her at a mosque and asked them not to speak publicly about her, associates of the family said. Authorities even asked the family to take down the black mourning banners in front of their house, aware of the potent symbol she has become.

But some insisted on speaking out anyway, hoping to make sure the world would not forget her.Neda Agha-Soltan was born in Tehran, they said, to a father who worked for the government and a mother who was a housewife. They were a family of modest means, part of the country's emerging middle class who built their lives in rapidly developing neighborhoods on the eastern and western outskirts of the city.

Like many in her neighborhood, Neda was loyal to the country's Islamic roots and traditional values, friends say, but also curious about the outside world, which is easily accessed through satellite television, the Internet and occasional trips abroad.

The second of three children, she studied Islamic philosophy at a branch of Tehran's Azad University, until deciding to pursue a career in the tourism industry. She took private classes to become a tour guide, including Turkish language courses, friends said, hoping to some day lead groups of Iranians on trips abroad.

Travel was her passion, and with her friends she saved up enough money for package tours to Dubai, Turkey and Thailand. Two months ago, on a trip to Turkey, she relaxed along the beaches of Antalya, on the Mediterranean coast.

She loved music, especially Persian pop, and was taking piano classes, according to Panahi, who is in his 50s, and other friends. She was also an accomplished singer, they said.

But she was never an activist, they added, and she began attending the mass protests only because of a personal sense of outrage over the election results.

Her parents and others told her it would be dangerous to go to Saturday's march, said Golshad. On Friday, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei had warned in his weekly prayer sermon that demonstrators would be responsible for any violence that broke out. Even Golshad stayed away. At 3:30 the two friends spoke.

"I told her, 'Neda, don't go,' " she recalled, heaving with sobs.

But she was as stubborn as she was honest, Golshad said, and she ended up going anyway.

"She said, 'Don't worry. It's just one bullet and its over.' "

"She couldn't stand the injustice of it all," Panahi said. "All she wanted was the proper vote of the people to be counted."

Her friends say Panahi, Neda and two others were stuck in traffic on Karegar Street, east of Tehran's Azadi Square, on their way to the demonstration sometime after 6:30 p.m. After stepping out of the car to get some fresh air and crane their necks over the jumble of cars, Panahi heard a crack from the distance. Within a blink of the eye, he realized Neda had collapsed to the ground.

"We were stuck in traffic and we got out and stood to watch, and without her throwing a rock or anything they shot her," he said. "It was just one bullet."

Blood poured out of the right side of her chest and began bubbling out of her mouth and nose as her lungs filled up.

"I'm burning, I'm burning!" he recalled her saying, her final words.

Those nearby gathered around. A doctor tried to help, Panahi said, telling him to put his palm over the wound and apply pressure. A driver coming from the other direction urged the crowd to put her into his car. A frantic search for a hospital followed. They took a wrong turn down a dead end and switched her limp body to another car.

Along the way, protesters and ordinary people screamed at other drivers to clear a route in the snarled traffic.

The medical staff made a heroic effort to rush her to the operating room, but it was too late. She was dead by the time they arrived at the emergency room of Shariati Hospital, Panahi said.

"This is a crime that's not in support of the government," he said. "This is a crime against humanity."

Iranian authorities have strenuously denied that police were using lethal force to quell the protest. During tours of the riot scene before, during and after the worst of the melee, there were no signs of security officials using guns to quash the protest, which is considered illegal.

The prosecutor's office has launched an investigation into the killing of "several people" in Saturday's violence and arrested one "armed terrorist," the website of Iran's Press TV broadcaster announced. At least 13 people were killed in Saturday's rioting.

"Policemen are not authorized to use weapons against people," said Tehran Police Chief Azizollah Rajabzadeh, according to Press TV. "They are trained to only use antiriot tools to keep the people out of harm's way."

The government has suggested loyalists to the exiled, outlawed opposition group Mujahedin Khalq Organization may bear responsibility for the killings. But family members and friends suspect that zealous pro-government paramilitaries, the Basijis or the group Ansar-e-Hezbollah, might have been responsible. Panahi said witnesses at the scene said the shooter was not a police officer but among a group of plainclothes security officials or militiamen lurking in the area.

On Sunday at the Agha-Soltan residence, friends and relatives came in droves, weeping and bent over, clutching one another. A steady murmur of sobs and wails emanated from the apartment.

Mascara streamed down cheeks of the women, some in sweeping black chadors and others in shapely designer mini-coats and sunglasses.

The men's eyes were sore and bloodshot. Two helped a distraught young man walk along the hallway, one of her two brothers, someone said.

"She died full of love," Golshad said.

The relatives and friends piled into minivans for the hour-long trek to Tehran's Beshesht Zahra cemetery, where she was buried. Her loved ones were outraged by the authorities' order not to eulogize her, to loudly sing her praises and mourn her loss. But they were too afraid and distraught to speak out, except for Panahi, who said he had nothing more to lose.

"They know me," he said. "They know where I am. They can come and get me whenever they want. My time has gone. We have to think about the young people."

Neda, he said, was smart and loving. She had a mischievous streak, gentling teasing her friends and causing them to laugh. She was passionate about life and meant no one any harm, they said. In the election unrest, friends found in her an unexpected daring, a willingness to take risks for her beliefs.

"For pursuing her goals, she didn't use rocks or clubs," said Panahi. "She wanted to show with her presence that, 'I'm here. I also voted. And my vote wasn't counted.' It was a very peaceful act of protest, without any violence."

As to the person or persons responsible for her death, they will not be forgiven, he said. "When they kill an innocent child, this is not justice. This is not religion. In no way is this acceptable," he said. "And I'm certain that the one who shot her will not get a pass from God."
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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#43
This was an email sent to one of the many blogs updating the latest from Iran, regarding the chants of Allaho Akbar at night time from the rooftops:

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I cannot in any way claim to know what people are thinking or meaning on the ground, but for centuries, 'Allahu Akbar' has been in the Muslim world a battlefield of meaning and ultimately of political legitimacy. They are five syllables pregnant in meaning, mutability and richness, not simply a ritualistic or fundamentalist dogmatic trope. Nor is 'Allahu Akbar' simply a prayer. In fact, despite all its negative, violent connotations in the West, 'Allahu Akbar' has been uttered by Muslims throughout history as a cry against oppression, against kings and monarchs, against tyrannical and despotic rule, reminding people that in the end, the disposer of affairs and ultimate holder of legitimacy is not any man, not any king or queen, not even any supreme leader, but ultimately a divine force out and above directing, caring and fighting for a more peaceful, rule-based, just and free world for people to live in. God is the one who is greatest, above each and every mortal human being whose station it is to pass away.


The fact that 'Allahu Akbar' is echoing through the Iranian night is not only an indication of the longing of people there to find a peaceful and just solution to this crisis. It also points to how deep the erosion of legitimacy is in whosoever acts against the will of the people, in whosoever claims to act on God's behalf to oppress his fellow human, including in this case some of the 'supreme' Islamic jurists themselves. This all goes to show that Islam, far from being merely an abode of repression and retrogression, has the capacity of being a fundamentally restorative and democratic force in human affairs. In the end, so it seems, at least in the Iranian context, 'Allahu Akbar', God is greatest, is a most profoundly democratic of political slogans. So deep is this call, that what is determined out of this liminal moment may very well set the terms for (or against) a lived, democratic Islamic reality for decades to come.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/18/iran-election-live-bloggi_n_217747.html
Yeah right. I'm not saying that it's not used by those who rise against oppression, I suppose that theoretically it might be, but Allahu Akbar is most definitely also uttered by those who opress. So this little blog entry is meaningless in every possible way.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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#48
Seriously, do you have any shame whatsoever?



And as Seven said, sacrificies like this is sadly what the struggle for democracy entails, just reading this just.... :cry:
why insult?

if you have a Iraqi friend alive, ask him what will follow the ''democracy''

with request of zionist imperialism, USA will eventually attack Iran. After their brothers killed in mosque by a suicide bomber, or their mothers raped by american soldiers, would they still cheer for democracy? all i want to say they should stand unite. I don't want another Iraq case. Shias and Sunnis are killing each other and who are benefiting? is it that difficult to understand? as a Muslim Iranian if your efforts are appreciated by Shimon Perez, shouldn't you think once again?
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,504
#49
Your brain is only wired for one thing, why are you making it about THAT when it has nothing to do with anything of this, I mean, is it virtually IMPOSSIBLE for you to criticise this abhorring regim and what they are doing to their people??? Not Israel, not US, instead of talk of what they might do to them, why the fvck are you glossing over whats happening NOW, which is being done by these frigging tyrants on their own iranian people.

I mean, you really cant be this daft, just becuase Shimon Perez says he sympathies with Iranian people for standing up against this injustice, you naturally think it should mean that the Iranian people should re-think it and see that since its Perez saying it, it SURELY caaaaaaaant be an injustice? Despite being inslaved like this without their basic rights, and being put down at the whims of power hungry old men? You talk about standing united, and the people are, AGAINST this injustice, real and immediate injustice being committed by their own "goverment". Thats very much the immediate threat to their every day life, not some paranoid threat for overseas invasion that isnt realistic or relevant to them at all right now.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,347
#50
why insult?

if you have a Iraqi friend alive, ask him what will follow the ''democracy''

with request of zionist imperialism, USA will eventually attack Iran. After their brothers killed in mosque by a suicide bomber, or their mothers raped by american soldiers, would they still cheer for democracy? all i want to say they should stand unite. I don't want another Iraq case. Shias and Sunnis are killing each other and who are benefiting? is it that difficult to understand? as a Muslim Iranian if your efforts are appreciated by Shimon Perez, shouldn't you think once again?
This is obviously true though. They will send in the American soldiers with one purpose and one purpose only: rape as many Iranian women as you can. That's what zionist imperialism is all about. This is not a horrible regime at all, this regime is protection people from the zionist rape threat.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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#51
I think the West has been out to get Iran ever since they threatened to price their oil in Euros. Remember, Iraq tried to do something similar, get out of the US dollar, and look what happened to them. Blown to smithereens.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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#52
Nothing beats the $3,000 bullet fee the Iranian government is charging for protesters who get shot.

Come on Iranian gov't! Unseat Mugavi!
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
61,504
#56
Nothing beats the $3,000 bullet fee the Iranian government is charging for protesters who get shot.

Come on Iranian gov't! Unseat Mugavi!
Those who cleared their sleepy eyes and thought "Naaah, that cant be for real" when reading the above, think again:




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124571865270639351.html

Son's Death Has Iranian Family Asking Why

By FARNAZ FASSIHI

TEHRAN—The family, clad in black, stood at the curb of the road sobbing. A middle-aged mother slapped her cheeks, letting out piercing wails. The father, a frail man who worked as a doorman at a clinic in central Tehran, wept quietly with his head bowed.

Minutes before, an ambulance had arrived from Tehran's morgue carrying the body of their only son, 19-year-old Kaveh Alipour.

On Saturday, amid the most violent clashes between security forces and protesters, Mr. Alipour was shot in the head as he stood at an intersection in downtown Tehran. He was returning from acting class and a week shy of becoming a groom, his family said.

The details of his death remain unclear. He had been alone. Neighbors and relatives think that he got trapped in the crossfire. He wasn't politically active and hadn't taken part in the turmoil that has rocked Iran for over a week, they said.

"He was a very polite, shy young man," said Mohamad, a neighbor who has known him since childhood.

When Mr. Alipour didn't return home that night, his parents began to worry. All day, they had heard gunshots ringing in the distance. His father, Yousef, first called his fiancée and friends. No one had heard from him.

At the crack of dawn, his father began searching at police stations, then hospitals and then the morgue.

Upon learning of his son's death, the elder Mr. Alipour was told the family had to pay an equivalent of $3,000 as a "bullet fee"—a fee for the bullet used by security forces—before taking the body back, relatives said.

Mr. Alipour told officials that his entire possessions wouldn't amount to $3,000, arguing they should waive the fee because he is a veteran of the Iran-Iraq war. According to relatives, morgue officials finally agreed, but demanded that the family do no funeral or burial in Tehran. Kaveh Alipour's body was quietly transported to the city of Rasht, where there is family.

Everyone in the neighborhood knows the Alipour family. In addition to their slain son, they have two daughters. Shopkeepers and businesses pasted a photocopied picture of Mr. Alipour on their walls and windows. In the picture, the young man is shown wearing a dark suit with gray stripes. His black hair is combed neatly to a side and he has a half-smile.

"He was so full of life. He had so many dreams," said Arsalan, a taxi driver who has known the family for 10 years. "What did he die for?"
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What the f...?! :ferocious :ferocious
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,244
#57
01/19/09

Iran busts another CIA network


TEHRAN, Jan. 19 (Mehr News Agency) -- Iran has broken up a CIA-backed network that sought to carry out a "soft revolution" in Iran through people-to-people contacts.

The "soft revolution" plan is based in Dubai and is similar to a U.S. plan that targeted the Soviet Union in 1959, the director of the counterespionage department of the Intelligence Ministry told reporters at a press conference here on Monday.

He said the CIA was seeking to implement the plan under the cover of scientific and cultural contacts between Iranian and U.S. nationals.

Unfortunately, some Iranian nationals, especially cultural and scientific figures, were deceived through such activities, he added.

"The U.S. intelligence agency was seeking to (repeat) its experiences of color revolutions through such public contacts with influential persons and elites."

The CIA tried to attain its goals by taking advantage of people-to-people contacts, joint studies, efforts to share scientific experiences, and other similar projects, he added.

The soft revolution plan was carried out through "NGOs, union protests, non-violent demonstrations, civil disobedience… and (efforts to) foment ethnic strife" all across Iran, the official stated.

Four of the people who led the network inside Iran were actively and intentionally cooperating with CIA agents, he noted.

These four persons were put on trial, some others were pardoned, and some others were acquitted due to lack of sufficient evidence, he explained.

These four persons confessed and videotapes of parts of their confessions will be released soon, he noted.

He only named two of the persons, the brothers Dr. Arash Alaei and Dr. Kamyar Alaei.

The Intelligence Ministry official said that $32 million of the $75 million allocated by the U.S. Congress to destabilize Iran was spent on this project.

The CIA used institutions such as the Woodrow Wilson Foundation, the Soros Foundation, AIPAC, and charity organizations and sought the help of William Burns and other people in the United States and agents in the Azerbaijan Republic, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait.

He stated that the CIA enlisted scientists, physicians, university professors, clergymen, artists, athletes, and dress designers for its plot.

He went on to say that these people were invited to the United States in groups of 10-15 people, with visas issued for them in Dubai in the shortest possible time, and according to their professions, they participated in scientific seminars and toured various states, and when they returned home they were asked to write "analyses" of the situation inside Iran.

The CIA was actively seeking to recruit more people for the network, who also would have been invited to visit the United States, he added.

These persons were ordered to put pressure on the government to change its policy and to sow discord between the government and the people, he explained.

The Intelligence Ministry found out about the secret plan from the very beginning and "even allowed the operation to be conducted to a (certain level) so that we could inform talented people with full confidence that they should not be deceived by such scientific centers," he stated.

The Iranian Intelligence Ministry countered the plot by "infiltrating" the network and even derailed it from its path by providing false information, but the CIA eventually discovered the ruse, he explained.

http://www.mehrnews.com/en/http://www.mehrnews.com/en/

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Not sure about the source, but something like this wouldn't surprise me.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,504
#59
This was most telling BS detector of all: "These four persons confessed and videotapes of parts of their confessions will be released soon, he noted."

A little known fact that its standard procedure for them to torture people and force them to confess to whatever they want, happens all the time.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,244
#60
Well, despite the news agency being from Iran, the CIA has been screwing with the country for decades as everyone knows. So I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're in there again.
 

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