Iranian elections (4 Viewers)

[SoulSiick]

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-276920

http://keepvid.com/?url=http://www....hpook/comments&feature=player_embedded?hl=0e9

The girl is alive at the start of the video and she dies few seconds later, with her father there, screaming "stay" at her while she's dying, desperately trying to do something.
I definitely won't sleep after watching this.

She was killed by the Basij, Ahmadinejad supporting paramilitary group.
From what i've been told, the Basiji who killed the girl, had apparently shot her from a high place and he'd exactly aimed the girl's heart.
The protests after the elections still didn't stop and the girl was there with her father.

They're killing their own people

Everyone here shocked after Death of Neda.the way he looked to the camera and then the blood start coming out of his mouth...thats one of the sadest thing i ever saw...maybe the sadest.


Let me tell u something,the story from begining.

people here,had a strong hope in reformist some years ago with Khatami former president.but when he did nothing and nothing changed,people get cold and didnt care about politics for a while.thats what created "silent votes" in iran which is refer to milions of peole who turn their back to elections.just around 10 milion religious-basiji like poeple as their are called the regime classic votes remain in the voting process for about 5 or 4 years.so the get everything,from president to parlimant and etc.


But for this election,mousavi came,and becuz of many thing,specialy his tv discussions with ahmadi nejad he become papoular,and its the reason why the silent votes awaken again.

everywhere become green with green armbands and green t-shirts and the green wave started to conquer iran with hope of "change".many people after years (like me) went to election again to at least not let ahmadinejad rule for 4 more years !

the result was unbeleivable ! Mousavi only get 30 percent of votes !! one of the other candidate who 4 years ago had 6 milions of vote had only 300.000 ! he had 2 milion votes in the state he was born,now he had 70.000 !!

They start announcing the result every 5 milion vote they count,from small city and villages to big cities.the strange thing was the percent of 65% remain the same for ahmadinejad from begining till the end.there are many scientific statistics proof that shows this can not be a natural result.u can read some here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election,_2009#Analysis


one of the other strange things were,that from 1 day before election the goverment blocked the sms and text messeging and also all the mobile phones in tehran.they arrest around 100 people from reformist parties.they even blocked all of reformist websites and also social networks like facebook,youtube,twitter and so on.

its all looked like an orgenized coup !



Today was calm after they killed around 15-20 yesterday and more than 100 injured.Now they are saying there are terrorist in between the people which they are killing people and mousavi is responsible for that !

 

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[SoulSiick]

If u dont know,when the R^2=1 they call it a Linear operator which is impossible for a natural base.and in iranian election result its .998 !! usually they count aboud .95 a Linear operator.

 

[Brandmon]

Very interesting insight SoulSiick! It just all makes more sense now. It's just said that such things appear obvious and yet not much can be done about it.

 

[Seven]

Funny that. I think that the last time I watched the news, North Korea was developing nuclear research for energy and missile research for space travel. Hmm...

And of course it won't end up like a Cold war. If Iran had the power to match the USSR, things could have been a wee different. But any modern conflicts of any size between two nations start with one simple act. Provocation. No war starts without reason or aim and no war starts without a 'Just cause'.

My point is that the West (US, EU, UN all that) should not intervene with anything Iran related at all and only do so when necessary and with caution. If the West imposes actions against the Iranian state, (be it by trade embargos, threats etc) then the state has the means to say to the people 'Look! The West are doing harm to us! they are our enemies!' In turn the dictator gains the support he needs and he can do anything he like with minimal civilian opposition.

Iran is not North Korea.

For obvious reasons . If Iran posed a serious threat, these "elections" would come as a godsent for the US, because these "elections" not only anger Iranians, they also anger Europeans. And if you have Europe on your side, that basically means: "yes, you can".

I don't know the situation in Iran and Hoori is probably the member who knows most about it, but I get the feeling that there are more Iranians who want democracy and who like the West than there are Iranians who agree with the current events. So the West, but more importantly the UN, could intervene.

 

[Mohad]

Man this is not election, this is selection.

 

[Brandmon]

Man this is not election, this is selection.

Hehe, exactly

 

[SoulSiick]

Another thing,in iran Guardian council is responsible for election issues and complains.and the Interior Ministry is performing it ! Guardians are from khamenei and Ministry is in the hands of ahmadinejad ! How hard it would be to cheat ?

Thats why people are in streets !

 

[Fred]

So basically you're going to sit back and relax?

You've never been to this part of the world. It isn't that easy believe me. Read up about Geddaffi and how he deals with dissent.

 

[Salvo]

that video....man this is so sad, what is wrong with the world. when will this bullshit end?

 

[Ford Prefect]

When religion ends.

 

[solo JUVE.....!]

I really don't know when this shitty situation will end.
The problem is that I still doubt if Mousavi came, what would happen then. Life would become better [!!], he couldn't make Iran a PARADISE though!

*The supreme leader! He is the one who is eager to gather more n more dignity n power in his hands! That is why I doubt abt what Mousavi could do!

one of the other strange things were,that from 1 day before election the goverment blocked the sms and text messeging and also all the mobile phones in tehran.they arrest around 100 people from reformist parties.they even blocked all of reformist websites and also social networks like facebook,youtube,twitter and so on.

Today was calm after they killed around 15-20 yesterday and more than 100 injured.Now they are saying there are terrorist in between the people which they are killing people and mousavi is responsible for that !

u kiddin' guy?! u meant ONLY in Tehran mobile phones are blocked, eh?!
It really sucks, cell phones have became TOY PHONES!
*P.s.: Yeah, today Tehran was calm, due to basijis who were makin' the city full of FEAR...! But here, ppl still shout "ALLAH AKBAR" from the windows at 9 pm and so... God should help us, if there's any God! [I doubt! ]

 

[SoulSiick]

Well at least i know cellphones were working here in shiraz !

About khameneyi as u said he is eager to power,I dont agree completely,first of all there are serious conflicts between the powerful guys.u saw in last friday Khameneyi didnt hide that he has problems with Hashemi.though i think Hashemi is the second powerful man in iran,but thats not all,there are major animosity between them and it looks like they are making teams to remain in power each.even Qom scholars are seeking power i know,u can see now some of them are not participating in...for example Qom's Jom_e prayings which is strange.its the game of power like Mesbah which his team (ahmadinejad and ministers) are now have the power.The Current islamic republic is not Unite in itself.

Second,
Khameneyi looks sick,at least he does not look as healthy as before,many think Mojtaba his son is controling him right now.u can see these days mojtaba is everywhere beside him.and khameneyi himself sometime really looks like he is not sure about what he is saying.

after all,there are strong romurs that suggest Hashemi is seeking for a solution maybe for after khameneyi death to remove the Supreme leader post in Iran's Law.at least we know he got legal power to do that,but right now he can not afford face to face war with khameneyi fans and basijis.Hashemi right now has weakened,but he is smart.and u know Mousavi is supporting by him,so...this is just the begining.


Hashemi some months ago wrote book and says he didnt beleive to have Supreme leader in iran from the begining.He is the only one in iran that has the balls to say that ! Khameneyi right know is the thread that hang everything togather,if he dies the then there will be change or...War of power !

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I hope Iranian people will wake up before ''Nobel Peace Prize laureate'' start to spread them freedom along with phosphorus bombs.
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Israeli President Shimon Peres applauds Iranian street protesters

Israeli President Shimon Peres has applauded pro-reform protesters in Iran, saying he hopes for an end to Iran's hard-line leadership. Sunday's comments from Israel's ceremonial president are among the highest-level expressions of support for the protesters so far from Israel, Iran's bitter enemy.

Speaking to a Jewish group, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate called on young Iranians to “raise their voice for freedom.” Peres said he hoped Iran's “poor government will disappear.” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has suggested Israel should be “wiped off the map.” Israel has long been concerned that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, a charge Iran denies. Elsewhere in Damascus, Iran's regional ally Syria said the Persian country's disputed elections were an internal affair. The state-run Al-Thawra newspaper also said it would very difficult if not impossible to “break” the Iranian regime. Sunday's editorial in Al-Thawra marked the first Syrian comment to the political upheaval in Iran. Key Arab nations have so far kept silent on developments in Iran, seemingly reluctant to antagonize the powerful nation that sponsors militant groups like Hezbullah and Hamas. Al-Thawra described Iran as a cornerstone in the region's security and said the elections were “democratic”

regardless of the outcome.

22 June 2009, Monday
AP JERUSALEM, DAMASCUS

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

you are right turk, they should just line up, like sheep, and follow the orders of those that just know better than them. get of your high horse for fuck's sake

 

[Seven]

You've never been to this part of the world. It isn't that easy believe me. Read up about Geddaffi and how he deals with dissent.

That's the problem, Fred. Freedom doesn't come cheap. I won't go as far as saying that people are completely free in the West, no one is completely free, but it's about as good as it gets. Unfortunately this freedom required a lot of sacrifices. I was lucky enough to be born in a generation that didn't have to make these sacrifices, but I'm afraid that if Iranians ever want the same kind of freedom, they will have to pay for it. That is how progress towards democracy works.

I hope Iranian people will wake up before ''Nobel Peace Prize laureate'' start to spread them freedom along with phosphorus bombs.
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Israeli President Shimon Peres applauds Iranian street protesters

Israeli President Shimon Peres has applauded pro-reform protesters in Iran, saying he hopes for an end to Iran's hard-line leadership. Sunday's comments from Israel's ceremonial president are among the highest-level expressions of support for the protesters so far from Israel, Iran's bitter enemy.
Speaking to a Jewish group, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate called on young Iranians to “raise their voice for freedom.” Peres said he hoped Iran's “poor government will disappear.” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has suggested Israel should be “wiped off the map.” Israel has long been concerned that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, a charge Iran denies. Elsewhere in Damascus, Iran's regional ally Syria said the Persian country's disputed elections were an internal affair. The state-run Al-Thawra newspaper also said it would very difficult if not impossible to “break” the Iranian regime. Sunday's editorial in Al-Thawra marked the first Syrian comment to the political upheaval in Iran. Key Arab nations have so far kept silent on developments in Iran, seemingly reluctant to antagonize the powerful nation that sponsors militant groups like Hezbullah and Hamas. Al-Thawra described Iran as a cornerstone in the region's security and said the elections were “democratic”

regardless of the outcome.

22 June 2009, Monday
AP JERUSALEM, DAMASCUS

So what do you want him to say? I don't see ANYTHING wrong with this.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

you are right turk, they should just line up, like sheep, and follow the orders of those that just know better than them. get of your high horse for fuck's sake

bombing shrine, burning mosque don't help the cause.

So what do you want him to say? I don't see ANYTHING wrong with this.

it is obvious freedom of his current biggest enemies is the last thing he would care for. he is watching the chaos with a huge smile on his face.

 

[Seven]

Yeah, that's exactly what I saw.

No one is watching the chaos and smiling, Turk. Not even Israel. But you might want to wonder where Islam comes in .

And I think that Israel wants to see you hang by the testicles. They don't care about muslims. They're after you.

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

Thanks god I don't live in some similiar fuckhole of the world where If you don't agree,you get a free bullet in the chest. RIP to that girl....

We went trough war and all that shit is kinda normal in that situation,in wars people get kill,but in a protest of that kind,when innocent persons die,that's a fcked up

 

[Fred]

That's the problem, Fred. Freedom doesn't come cheap. I won't go as far as saying that people are completely free in the West, no one is completely free, but it's about as good as it gets. Unfortunately this freedom required a lot of sacrifices. I was lucky enough to be born in a generation that didn't have to make these sacrifices, but I'm afraid that if Iranians ever want the same kind of freedom, they will have to pay for it. That is how progress towards democracy works.



So what do you want him to say? I don't see ANYTHING wrong with this.

Oh no i definitely agree with that. They should keep fighting and never give up. But again i say, its easier said than done.

 

[Zé Tahir]

This was an email sent to one of the many blogs updating the latest from Iran, regarding the chants of Allaho Akbar at night time from the rooftops:

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I cannot in any way claim to know what people are thinking or meaning on the ground, but for centuries, 'Allahu Akbar' has been in the Muslim world a battlefield of meaning and ultimately of political legitimacy. They are five syllables pregnant in meaning, mutability and richness, not simply a ritualistic or fundamentalist dogmatic trope. Nor is 'Allahu Akbar' simply a prayer. In fact, despite all its negative, violent connotations in the West, 'Allahu Akbar' has been uttered by Muslims throughout history as a cry against oppression, against kings and monarchs, against tyrannical and despotic rule, reminding people that in the end, the disposer of affairs and ultimate holder of legitimacy is not any man, not any king or queen, not even any supreme leader, but ultimately a divine force out and above directing, caring and fighting for a more peaceful, rule-based, just and free world for people to live in. God is the one who is greatest, above each and every mortal human being whose station it is to pass away.


The fact that 'Allahu Akbar' is echoing through the Iranian night is not only an indication of the longing of people there to find a peaceful and just solution to this crisis. It also points to how deep the erosion of legitimacy is in whosoever acts against the will of the people, in whosoever claims to act on God's behalf to oppress his fellow human, including in this case some of the 'supreme' Islamic jurists themselves. This all goes to show that Islam, far from being merely an abode of repression and retrogression, has the capacity of being a fundamentally restorative and democratic force in human affairs. In the end, so it seems, at least in the Iranian context, 'Allahu Akbar', God is greatest, is a most profoundly democratic of political slogans. So deep is this call, that what is determined out of this liminal moment may very well set the terms for (or against) a lived, democratic Islamic reality for decades to come.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/18/iran-election-live-bloggi_n_217747.html