inter under investigation? (12 Viewers)
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BRING YOU THE PROOF???
You are the one that has something to prove, YOU think Juve are innocent, YOU think they have been done wrong.
EVERYONE else has accepted it.
So, YOU bring ME the proof....
(I didn't read anything but the first 18 words of your post because I only read posts less than 15 lines [including spaces])
Ohh, and just to let you know, since you are one of the rare TRUE Italians on here, I'll give you a little leeway, but I will be pretty harsh since I think you are a biased close-minded Hochkonjunkturhochkonjunkturmädchen. Ohh, and you make me smile too, when I look down.
You are the one that has something to prove, YOU think Juve are innocent, YOU think they have been done wrong.
EVERYONE else has accepted it.
So, YOU bring ME the proof....
(I didn't read anything but the first 18 words of your post because I only read posts less than 15 lines [including spaces])
Ohh, and just to let you know, since you are one of the rare TRUE Italians on here, I'll give you a little leeway, but I will be pretty harsh since I think you are a biased close-minded Hochkonjunkturhochkonjunkturmädchen. Ohh, and you make me smile too, when I look down.
u just like me guys , i will love juventus until my last breathe . FORZA JUVENTUS !!!
No,not like a God, like a football fan, you are not a Juve fan but did you EVER encountered such a hostile,provocative and unfair behavior against a football club?
You were present those days! You saw what happened, how can you say that?
I think you already know so many details and you are smart enough to understand that our conviction wasnt... natural.
Do you have the impression that justice prevailed?
were you really convinced of this circus??
You were present those days! You saw what happened, how can you say that?
I think you already know so many details and you are smart enough to understand that our conviction wasnt... natural.
Do you have the impression that justice prevailed?
were you really convinced of this circus??
Well said again ishaa00.
Its funny how anytime a Juve fan tries to challenge what happened were labelled as being in denail. Fact of the matter is, the evidence is right infront of us. Read the verdicts, they prove that Moggi didn't actually fix any matches or bribe any refs. Its right infront of us ffs. The only people in denial are the ones who fail to accept these basic facts, which show calciogate for what it really is; Inter Milan fabircated scandal. Their name pops up alot, and if these links were painted in black and white, it would be a whole new story. The hypocrisy here is incredible.
Its funny how anytime a Juve fan tries to challenge what happened were labelled as being in denail. Fact of the matter is, the evidence is right infront of us. Read the verdicts, they prove that Moggi didn't actually fix any matches or bribe any refs. Its right infront of us ffs. The only people in denial are the ones who fail to accept these basic facts, which show calciogate for what it really is; Inter Milan fabircated scandal. Their name pops up alot, and if these links were painted in black and white, it would be a whole new story. The hypocrisy here is incredible.
BRING YOU THE PROOF???
You are the one that has something to prove, YOU think Juve are innocent, YOU think they have been done wrong.
EVERYONE else has accepted it.
So, YOU bring ME the proof....
(I didn't read anything but the first 18 words of your post because I only read posts less than 15 lines [including spaces])
Ohh, and just to let you know, since you are one of the rare TRUE Italians on here, I'll give you a little leeway, but I will be pretty harsh since I think you are a biased close-minded Hochkonjunkturhochkonjunkturmädchen. Ohh, and you make me smile too, when I look down.
You are the one that has something to prove, YOU think Juve are innocent, YOU think they have been done wrong.
EVERYONE else has accepted it.
So, YOU bring ME the proof....
(I didn't read anything but the first 18 words of your post because I only read posts less than 15 lines [including spaces])
Ohh, and just to let you know, since you are one of the rare TRUE Italians on here, I'll give you a little leeway, but I will be pretty harsh since I think you are a biased close-minded Hochkonjunkturhochkonjunkturmädchen. Ohh, and you make me smile too, when I look down.
But, you know, in the real world, the one we live in, people are innocent until proven guilty. This means that it's you that has to provide proof.
Btw, your admitting that you don't read anything more than 15 lines long (too difficult, perhaps? Or it's just your close-mindness?), means you never tried to learn a bit on the matter. Basically, you don't know anything that has gone on. So it's quite laughable that you come and tell me what is true and what is not.
there are big fak ups in the inter financial : example there was a player which i dont think i ever heard his name, which from inter he was sold to san marino for 3.5 million, how can a club like san marino afford such tranfers... where the whole club isnt worth half that sum... there are many of these misfits and thats why they are under investiagtion
Isha, my historian friend once told me that in an Ancient Rome, you were assumed to be guilty until proven, is that true?
Anyway, I think there are certain bias in a present juridical process towards favoring the guilty over prosecutor, for the fact that one can only be sentenced if the amounting evidence puts the case beyond any "reasonable doubt". And I am not too sure whether you can consider "Not guilty until Proven" to be a moral principle, which are justified in intuitive sense. Of course nobody wants to indict innocent for a crime they did not commit, and must be considered injustice. Alternatively, however, I find it equally disgusting that certain people, who with good probability have committed crime in a "spiritual sense", use the aforementioned principle for their benefit. Morally, an act of stealing by the rich from the poor, which results in a death of the latter due to poor nutrition etc and the society failures to prevent such injustice, is no different to say decapitating the innocent.
Personally, I do believe that the society should operate on the principle you argue. But what I would like to point out is that we should not take too much dogmatic stance on its virtue, and frankly I am alarmed by many people's unquestioning attitude, which almost borders on article of faith.
Now with regards to Juventus case, and largely thanks to your great efforts, which I believe the majority of members greatly appreciate, I honestly believe you are right on this issue. There seems to be virtually no evidence (the point which we have discussed thoroughly), never mind fulfilling the sufficiency, to verdict Juve as guilty. And I have seen some signs that Inter may be committing the same crime they accused us. I am not sure many Mutu got suspended on the basis of "disciplinary" reason for the match against Inter. Sounds awfully fish to me. Furthermore, one should not be so narrow in terms of defining cheating in terms of fixing result on the pitch. Any attempts to buy players on the money which they cannot reasonably generate, thus causing distress to the entire system, or attempts to falsify players document to pretend he is "Italian", are from sporting perspective equally fraud. Hell, we might as just treat all South Americans to be Italian so that Serie A can be full of best players like Dinho, Messi, again.
Nonetheless, I think we should let this go. Not because I love Inter, or that they are the one who sides the justice. It is simple based on the fact that any more implications could be deadly for the future of Serie A. I hope you realize people perception's of Serie A isn't too good ATM. One more big scandal, then the damage could be irreversible. Its pity really, because initial scandal was borne out of fabrication which never existed as you point out. But if we see Inter's recent turmoil as a vendetta for their initial strike, then both of us will suffer, and there will be no winners in the end. What is the merit of being a king of the league which potentially could be barely better than Portuguese or the Dutch League? As far as I am concerned, Borelli is a real bastard here. He is on the case to make a name for himself - its more than the petty notion of justice. If he really did care about justice, well, I can tell him there are much more mundane but more meaningful cases than football teams cheating against each other. The guy wants, like the majority of lawyers, a high profile case, to boost his name value. But what he doesnt realize that he is destroying a national treasure.
The whole episode reminds me of a fable I heard as a kid: A monkey comes into to act as an arbiter of disputes. And in the end, two people's infatuation to get more than the other, regardless of the size of the pie, results in monkey eating the whole pie by himself.
Anyway, I think there are certain bias in a present juridical process towards favoring the guilty over prosecutor, for the fact that one can only be sentenced if the amounting evidence puts the case beyond any "reasonable doubt". And I am not too sure whether you can consider "Not guilty until Proven" to be a moral principle, which are justified in intuitive sense. Of course nobody wants to indict innocent for a crime they did not commit, and must be considered injustice. Alternatively, however, I find it equally disgusting that certain people, who with good probability have committed crime in a "spiritual sense", use the aforementioned principle for their benefit. Morally, an act of stealing by the rich from the poor, which results in a death of the latter due to poor nutrition etc and the society failures to prevent such injustice, is no different to say decapitating the innocent.
Personally, I do believe that the society should operate on the principle you argue. But what I would like to point out is that we should not take too much dogmatic stance on its virtue, and frankly I am alarmed by many people's unquestioning attitude, which almost borders on article of faith.
Now with regards to Juventus case, and largely thanks to your great efforts, which I believe the majority of members greatly appreciate, I honestly believe you are right on this issue. There seems to be virtually no evidence (the point which we have discussed thoroughly), never mind fulfilling the sufficiency, to verdict Juve as guilty. And I have seen some signs that Inter may be committing the same crime they accused us. I am not sure many Mutu got suspended on the basis of "disciplinary" reason for the match against Inter. Sounds awfully fish to me. Furthermore, one should not be so narrow in terms of defining cheating in terms of fixing result on the pitch. Any attempts to buy players on the money which they cannot reasonably generate, thus causing distress to the entire system, or attempts to falsify players document to pretend he is "Italian", are from sporting perspective equally fraud. Hell, we might as just treat all South Americans to be Italian so that Serie A can be full of best players like Dinho, Messi, again.
Nonetheless, I think we should let this go. Not because I love Inter, or that they are the one who sides the justice. It is simple based on the fact that any more implications could be deadly for the future of Serie A. I hope you realize people perception's of Serie A isn't too good ATM. One more big scandal, then the damage could be irreversible. Its pity really, because initial scandal was borne out of fabrication which never existed as you point out. But if we see Inter's recent turmoil as a vendetta for their initial strike, then both of us will suffer, and there will be no winners in the end. What is the merit of being a king of the league which potentially could be barely better than Portuguese or the Dutch League? As far as I am concerned, Borelli is a real bastard here. He is on the case to make a name for himself - its more than the petty notion of justice. If he really did care about justice, well, I can tell him there are much more mundane but more meaningful cases than football teams cheating against each other. The guy wants, like the majority of lawyers, a high profile case, to boost his name value. But what he doesnt realize that he is destroying a national treasure.
The whole episode reminds me of a fable I heard as a kid: A monkey comes into to act as an arbiter of disputes. And in the end, two people's infatuation to get more than the other, regardless of the size of the pie, results in monkey eating the whole pie by himself.
Its not a matter of being totally innocent or completely guilty, but a matter of being held accountable for what u actually did. Just because Moggi did some things, doesn't make him guilty of everything.
Innocent until proven guilty, and there was more than enough doubt to show he was innocent on a big chunk of the things thrown at him. That point is reflected in the fact the ordinary justice didn't go after Moggi because they knew it was a dead end. Only through a nice marriage of Interista did it become a scandal.
Innocent until proven guilty, and there was more than enough doubt to show he was innocent on a big chunk of the things thrown at him. That point is reflected in the fact the ordinary justice didn't go after Moggi because they knew it was a dead end. Only through a nice marriage of Interista did it become a scandal.
