inter under investigation? (16 Viewers)

[Marc]

Same old story. I read the verdicts, I read the phone taps, I read a lot about this. And you? What do you actually know about what happened?

Whatever, I respect you cause you are a true, passionate Juventus fan, but you don´t know the story about Calciopoli unless you are Luciano Moggi using Isha00 profile.

I know a little bit of Italian too, and I also read the verdicts, phone taps, etc. but that is nothing since it is available to every person on the planet.

The real thing is only known by the people who took part of the scandal and you my dear are not one of them.

I understand it is hard to accept we had some wrongdoings, but is it so hard to even try to accept that Moggi did something wrong?

Looking at the scandal, I saw at least 20 people who confessed their wrongdoings, but it is a little strange you think Moggi is the only innocent one.

I would be so happy if you proved me that Juve did nothing wrong, but you cannot, can you?

If you can, there is no reason why our lawyer could not prove it too.

Anyway, I can stand our demotion a lot easier if I am convinced if we did something wrong and deserved the demotion instead thinking that this whole thing was a Inter set-up.

If you got some info about the new investigations I would be glad if you shared it with me (us)....

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[AlexTheGreat]

Whatever, I respect you cause you are a true, passionate Juventus fan, but you don´t know the story about Calciopoli unless you are Luciano Moggi using Isha00 profile.

I know a little bit of Italian too, and I also read the verdicts, phone taps, etc. but that is nothing since it is available to every person on the planet.

The real thing is only known by the people who took part of the scandal and you my dear are not one of them.

I understand it is hard to accept we had some wrongdoings, but is it so hard to even try to accept that Moggi did something wrong?

Looking at the scandal, I saw at least 20 people who confessed their wrongdoings, but it is a little strange you think Moggi is the only innocent one.

I would be so happy if you proved me that Juve did nothing wrong, but you cannot, can you?

If you can, there is no reason why our lawyer could not prove it too.

Anyway, I can stand our demotion a lot easier if I am convinced if we did something wrong and deserved the demotion instead thinking that this whole thing was a Inter set-up.

If you got some info about the new investigations I would be glad if you shared it with me (us)....

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I want to know how your face will look like when you know you will be hanged because of speeding...

seriously, its not a joke.

 

[Marc]

I want to know how your face will look like when you know you will be hanged because of speeding...

seriously, its not a joke.

Can you be more specific?

 

[AlexTheGreat]

Can you be more specific?

simple question: can we hang a man for speeding?

if your answer is no then congratulations, both u and Elisa are in agreement on the scandal issue.

still want to defend your point of view? you just beat yourself

 

[Marc]

My point of view is:

Unless somebody has a proof (the real truth), this talk is useless.

Neither FIGC or Elisa don´t have a PROOF for their accusastions (theories), this are only assumptions.

So let´s drop it, shall we?

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[Snoop]

simple question: can we hang a man for speeding?

if your answer is no then congratulations, both u and Elisa are in agreement on the scandal issue.

still want to defend your point of view? you just beat yourself

great logic that is, very similar cases huh? :faq1:

 

[AlexTheGreat]

My point of view is:

Unless somebody has a proof (the real truth), this talk is useless.

Neither FIGC or Elisa don´t have a PROOF for their accusastions (theories), this are only assumptions.

So let´s drop it, shall we?

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the figc did have the proof, the proof of Juve speeding, and they gave us a death penalty. and some Juve fans like you still think that yeah, we should be hanged because we cant prove we didnt hurt anyone when we speeding.

you can still hold your points, thats fine. but some day we will find out the real truth

 

[isha00]

mark83, you know what our illicit behavior was?

"We influenced the champioship and did so without influencing the decourse of the matches nor their results" (taken from the verdict)

Now, considering that what happened on the pitch wasn't influenced by anything, we know that nothing that happened on the pitch was done in bad faith and in fact no one was punished for it: no players, no linesmen, *no referees*. So, no one acted in an irregular way.
We also know that the results of the matches remained as they were at their end.

But we still influenced the championship. How? The verdict itself says that the refs didn't favour us. If someone could just explain me how, I would be very very happy.

Btw, Mark, it's not me who has to prove that we were innocent, it's the verdict that has to prove that we weren't. It's basic law.

But even if we had to, I'll have you know that it's not like anyone has the power to get themselves transcripts of phone taps, not even the sportive justice.
Only ordinary judges can sign such an authorization and then the transcripts can be used only for the trial they are disposed for and, after that, they become useless, being phone tapping something very lesive of the privacy of citizens.

In fact it was an ordinary judge that signed the authorization for those taps and, of course, he signed it for an investigation of the *ordinary justice* and only for that investigation the taps should have been used.

Well, anyway, the investigation of the ordinary presecutor office that obtained the taps was working to accertain that the championships were regular and that no one was influencing them in an illicit way.
After almost a year (2004-05 season), they dropped this investigation, because the prosecutors, after months of researches, of analysis, of taps, came to the conclusion that the quest was pointless, because nothing could lead to think that there was anything irregular in what was going on.

It's quite paradoxal: the same material that proved us to be innocent for the ordinary judges is the same one that sent us to b, with courts headed by men named by Guido Rossi, ex member of the inter board, member of the telecom one, telecom's president to be.

As for the will of the club to defend itself: after having fired their managers after just a couple of taps illegally printed on newspapers, they hired a lawyer specialized not in administrative issues, but in penal ones, they made him ask for a penalized b (!!!), after that they made him appeal to tar, the day before the hearing they retired the appeal and, after that, they renounced also to appeal to TAS.
After all of this, you can read the statement of Cobolli in my signature.

 

[Max]

the figc did have the proof, the proof of Juve speeding, and they gave us a death penalty. and some Juve fans like you still think that yeah, we should be hanged because we cant prove we didnt hurt anyone when we speeding.

you can still hold your points, thats fine. but some day we will find out the real truth

That can be in twenty years time for all we know, and if you find out by then, it's already too late anyways. That's why Mark is telling you guys to drop it. No use holding a grudge on every other team in Lega Calcio for the rest of your life.

Besides, within that twenty year time period, Juventus will have already won at least fifteen Scudetti, so who cares if they lost two way back in the day.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

true criminals rewarded,this is why I hate other teams

 

[isha00]

You're.

I'm American, I'll tell you what is going on, you will take it and like it.

AND PLUS, you are not in America where the Innocent until proven Guilty actually holds water. You live in Europe where the last time anyone tried to prove "an Innocent man Guilty," Poland fell off the map.

Btw, I missed that.
In "your admitting" admitting becomes a substantive (the act of admitting) and since it's something done by you, it's YOUR admitting.

 

[Wraith]

Btw, I missed that.
In "your admitting" admitting becomes a substantive (the act of admitting) and since it's something done by you, it's YOUR admitting.

Wow your English is pretty rocking...better than practically all Americans'. int:

 

[Tifoso]

Btw, I missed that.
In "your admitting" admitting becomes a substantive (the act of admitting) and since it's something done by you, it's YOUR admitting.

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

 

[Mark]

false passports, false finances...what's next? False signatures on contracts?

 

[isha00]

Poor Brunelli, eh?

 

[Zé Tahir]

This quote is isha:

"Sentenze, penalitá e retrocessione non fermeranno la nostra passione"

 

[Tifoso]

This quote is isha:

"Sentenze, penalitá e retrocessione non fermeranno la nostra passione"

Judicial judgements, penalties and retrocession can not stop/lessen our passion.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Yea, but I hate her.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

false passports, false finances...what's next? False signatures on contracts?

False advertising for saying they won the Scudetto last year.

 

[Mark]

False advertising for saying they won the Scudetto last year.

I guess we have a case then, we should call Bernstein, Mazotti and Young to see if something can be done.