Il Capitano Alessandro Del Piero (134 Viewers)

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Yes, I agree sometimes Zlatan knows how to keep the ball away from defenders thats something else, but on the same time, he's one of the most selfish players alongside C.Ronaldo when it comes to Holding the ball.

Maybe you meant he's better then Dp on air, but I didn't see this year better holder than Dp in Juve, Except Camoranesi.

How can the most selfish player be the one with most assists?
 

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Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by kthx ] ++


Milan last season...that's another one of the 'facts'. He was in the stands injured...that's where he was.

Why mention those games? Why not mention Milan of 2 years ago when he baiscally handed Di Vaio and Thuram 2 goals on a silver platter. Why not mention Real Madrid in the CL semi final? Why not mention Roma? Barcelona in Turin?

Why mention Deportivo two or three years ago? Why not Bayer Leverkusen? Why not mention Newcastle?

Where was Zlatan against Liverpool? Or against Inter? Where was Shevchenko against Juve? Or against PSV? Or against Liverpool? Or against Inter in the early part of the season? Do those games make them chokers?

Just because he wasn't our best player in all of the big matches doesn't make him a choker.
WORD Kthx, one of the best posts so far.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



How can the most selfish player be the one with most assists?
Camoranesi is the one with the most assists Sir.

Still that doesn't change the fact that Zlatan is one of the most selfish players, I'am pretty his stats could had been much better if he didn't try to over-take 21 players on the field...We all know he's Selfish Z, Even Capello knows that.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
It only shows that most of the people here put the player before the team. TBH, I cant wait for Del Piero to leave Juve just so we can get rid of all of his fans.
I'm not putting anyone before the team (another one of your wrong assumptions).I already told you that we are on the same side - Juve's side,so I really don't understand how you figured out that I am Juve fan thanx to Del Piero.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Camoranesi is the one with the most assists Sir.

Still that doesn't change the fact that Zlatan is one of the most selfish players, I'am pretty his stats could had been much better if he didn't try to over-take 21 players on the field...We all know he's Selfish Z, Even Capello knows that.

TBH, I'm not sure Camo has more assists than Zlatan, but it doesnt matter. Fact is that he is selfish, but not as selfish as you would like us to think. How many times has he passed the ball to Nedved, Del Piero, Zalayeta, Treuzeguet... for them to score? He is selfish, but nowhere near Ronaldo.


++ [ originally posted by giovanotti ] ++


I'm not putting anyone before the team (another one of your wrong assumptions).I already told you that we are on the same side - Juve's side,so I really don't understand how you figured out that I am Juve fan thanx to Del Piero.

In the other thread you said you wouldnt give 1/2 Del Piero for 3 Zlatans. So you wouldnt give half of a 30 year old player for 3 23 year old ones?

Everyone is replacable in Juve, even Del Piero, even Zlatan even Buffon. In the end, the players don't matter as much as the club.
 

giovanotti

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Aug 13, 2004
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ibrahim is a kind of player who can forexample go to real for the illustrious 70 mil and he will forget that he played for us.
But I'm sure that wherever he goes ,Del Piero will have special feeling for Juve.
That is the thing witch separates the player from a mercenary.
 

kthx

Junior Member
Mar 26, 2005
115
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



TBH, I'm not sure Camo has more assists than Zlatan, but it doesnt matter. Fact is that he is selfish, but not as selfish as you would like us to think. How many times has he passed the ball to Nedved, Del Piero, Zalayeta, Treuzeguet... for them to score? He is selfish, but nowhere near Ronaldo.
Camoranesi has 12 assists in Serie A (second in the league). Ibrahimovich has 6.

In all competitions, Camoranesi has around 16 I think. Ibrahimovich has 8.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



TBH, I'm not sure Camo has more assists than Zlatan, but it doesnt matter. Fact is that he is selfish, but not as selfish as you would like us to think. How many times has he passed the ball to Nedved, Del Piero, Zalayeta, Treuzeguet... for them to score? He is selfish, but nowhere near Ronaldo.





In the other thread you said you wouldnt give 1/2 Del Piero for 3 Zlatans. So you wouldnt give half of a 30 year old player for 3 23 year old ones?

Everyone is replacable in Juve, even Del Piero, even Zlatan even Buffon. In the end, the players don't matter as much as the club.
Yes,I said it,and I didn't mean that I wouldn't give 1/2 of a 30 year old player for 3 23 year old ones, I said very explicit that I woudn't excange Del Piero for ibrahim! 30 years does not represent obstruction for creative and good play,btw.
And yes ,everyone is replaceble.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,036
++ [ originally posted by kthx ] ++


Actually, the entire basis for your arguments, and the arguments of your fellow bashers, depends on ignoring facts.

-Fact: Del Piero is Juve's top scorer this season.

-Your Opinion: He has been poor overall.

-Fact: He's the most decisive player in Serie A, his goals got us more points than Zlatan's.
Sorry kthx but that is just too biased for my liking. If we are discussing player performances in totality throughout the year we must consider absolutely everything that players do and what their roles are at the club. Apart from some very good performances and a lot of winning goals Del Piero has been poor compared to other seasons and compared to what Zlatan has given to the team this year. The latter has been more involved with the matches and given us the tool of creating space with his ability to hold the ball up under the pressure of two defenders. Zlatan has actually been a must with the tactics we had this season.

And enough of this nonsense about Zlatan being the "most selfish player along with Ronaldo." If he was so selfish why does he have over 9 assists this season? That crap is just another worthless argument by Zlatan detratcors around here.
 

kthx

Junior Member
Mar 26, 2005
115
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Sorry kthx but that is just too biased for my liking. If we are discussing player performances in totality throughout the year we must consider absolutely everything that players do and what their roles are at the club. Apart from some very good performances and a lot of winning goals Del Piero has been poor compared to other seasons and compared to what Zlatan has given to the team this year. The latter has been more involved with the matches and given us the tool of creating space with his ability to hold the ball up under the pressure of two defenders. Zlatan has actually been a must with the tactics we had this season.
Andy, this wasn't the least bit biased and I'll show you how.

I did not say that Alex was our best player this season and I didn't say it was his best season ever, no ... nothing of the sort. My point was to show whichever Del Piero basher said they were the ones stating facts that their entire arguments were based on opinions. Were the numbers and statements I gave facts? Yes. Were their arguments opinions that could very easily vary from one individual to another? Yes.

What I said had nothing to with comparing Alex to Zlatan.

I believe Alex struggled this season, and he was a genius to be able to score such important goals to cover for his struggling. And I contribute this struggling to Capello's tactics, or lack thereof in many matches. There was just no creativity in our team. I also relate that to Nedved's lack of form and injuries. It's of no surprise to me that Juventus started playing much better-looking football when Nedved started putting in some good performances towards the end of the season.

Why'd you leave XT by the way, man? Used to enjoy your posts there. Come back ;)
 

kthx

Junior Member
Mar 26, 2005
115
++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++
now i know what people mean when they say that we are getting nowhere
Very true. The majority of the arguments here get us nowhere.

Instead of being united in the celebration of Juve's scudetto, we're here discussing the-ever-so-controversial Alessandro Del Piero. It's sad really, but as long as people unjustly criticize him for pretty much everything, such debate will continue.
 
Jan 7, 2004
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once again people how can you say that it was del piero's goals that got us the points and not canavaro's tackles ? zambrotta's runs? emerson's controll of the middle? camo's crosses?

football is a game of eleven players
 

kthx

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Mar 26, 2005
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I didn't mean it that way, I meant Juve is Del Piero's team and club before it's any of the other players'.

He's the club captain and legend, he's a veteran of 12 years!

Capello is a mercenary, next year he could be coaching Real for all you know.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,036
++ [ originally posted by kthx ] ++


Andy, this wasn't the least bit biased and I'll show you how.

I did not say that Alex was our best player this season and I didn't say it was his best season ever, no ... nothing of the sort. My point was to show whichever Del Piero basher said they were the ones stating facts that their entire arguments were based on opinions. Were the numbers and statements I gave facts? Yes. Were their arguments opinions that could very easily vary from one individual to another? Yes.

What I said had nothing to with comparing Alex to Zlatan.

I believe Alex struggled this season, and he was a genius to be able to score such important goals to cover for his struggling. And I contribute this struggling to Capello's tactics, or lack thereof in many matches. There was just no creativity in our team. I also relate that to Nedved's lack of form and injuries. It's of no surprise to me that Juventus started playing much better-looking football when Nedved started putting in some good performances towards the end of the season.
Those are indeed all facts, however I thought you were hinting at something else....my fault. But stating that Zlatan had a better season than Del Piero is more than just simply an opinion, I have to say.

As for the tactical explanation for Del Piero's performances I can certainly accept that, and this is part of my reasoning behind Del Piero being substituted frequently during the season. Like I stated earlier in some other thread Capello needed to subsititute Del Piero because of our tactics, which seemingly consisted of long balls forward in the final minutes of the match. As you know Del Piero struggles with high balls with his back towards goal, so Capello brought in a more able player to handle the late match "tactics," usually Zalayeta.

Why'd you leave XT by the way, man? Used to enjoy your posts there. Come back ;)
I didn't leave per se, I was banned. Or perhaps I did leave and wanted to get banned. I don't know. ;)

Perhaps I will come back sometime later on....right now I don't have much time during ths summer. We shall see. All I have to say is read up on your Greek Mythology. ;)
 

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