Il Capitano Alessandro Del Piero (120 Viewers)
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I find it pathetic and lame...to stand with the managment and agree with them to cut Del Piero's wages, after he had accepted that TWICE since the new board took charge of Juventus.
I wouldn't want to imagine how David, Buffon, Nedved, Mauro would feel if they had the same contract like Ale. And not because Alex is my idol i'm not accepting it, I wouldn't also accept to see David recieving a paycut, same with the rest of the world class players who remained with this club in Serie B.
I find it sad to see people defending the mang now, and attack them before, and the only real reason for that is because Ale isn't performing. thats why they're moaning and stickin with someone like cobolli.
I wouldn't want to imagine how David, Buffon, Nedved, Mauro would feel if they had the same contract like Ale. And not because Alex is my idol i'm not accepting it, I wouldn't also accept to see David recieving a paycut, same with the rest of the world class players who remained with this club in Serie B.
I find it sad to see people defending the mang now, and attack them before, and the only real reason for that is because Ale isn't performing. thats why they're moaning and stickin with someone like cobolli.
You know, it's very hard to have a healthy discussion with you about Del Piero because you're rarely objective and you don't see the things as they are.
Why are you continiously repeating that he took 2 pay-cuts ? He was getting crazy money, much more than the best players in the world Kaka and Totti were getting and he was playing in serie B. It would have been mean if he didn't accept those pay-cuts.
And how much is he getting now ? Still more than everyone in Milan apart from Kaka ( the european champions, may i add) and still more than every player in Italy, with the exception of 5 players. If it's needed he'll take 10 more pay-cuts until he gets what he deserves.
Milan is a super rich team that got huge profit in the previous year and it's players aren't moaning because of their wages which are much lower than Ale's. Pirlo, Seedorf, Gattuso, Nesta - all of them get 1m eur less than Ale.
Juve is a team that lost +200m eur in the last year and we'll lose even more this year due not playing CL. If our board offers him a pay-cut there is a reason for that. It was different with Trez and Camo. Back then the board offered them funny wages. Now the board is offering Del Piero a very reasonable ( imo, still more than he should be getting) salary.
For me it's not about the chances he missed. He missed few chances and a penalty, so what ? And it's not about his current bad form. It's about his performances in the future.I believe that he will only get worse, not better. He is still a class and he'll still be useful. But we have players who are more useful and influental on the pitch than Del Piero and all of them are getting lower wages than Ale.
Yeah, you can say the board is to be blamed because they should pay more to Camo, Trez, Chiellini.
But how can we offer them more when we don't have the money and we need smart money managment to become the force we were ?
And Del Piero wants to keep his ~4.8m eur per year ( 7.2m eur with the taxes included). You're telling me it's not selfish ? You're telling me he deserves to get the same money or close to the money trophy winners and one-man-team players like Kaka, Totti and Ibra are getting ?
If we had the money, ok, pay him the 4.8m if he wants them so much. But we're not financially strong as we were and Del Piero is not irreplaceable as he was, so he should accept the 3.4m eur the managment is offering.
Why are you continiously repeating that he took 2 pay-cuts ? He was getting crazy money, much more than the best players in the world Kaka and Totti were getting and he was playing in serie B. It would have been mean if he didn't accept those pay-cuts.
And how much is he getting now ? Still more than everyone in Milan apart from Kaka ( the european champions, may i add) and still more than every player in Italy, with the exception of 5 players. If it's needed he'll take 10 more pay-cuts until he gets what he deserves.
Milan is a super rich team that got huge profit in the previous year and it's players aren't moaning because of their wages which are much lower than Ale's. Pirlo, Seedorf, Gattuso, Nesta - all of them get 1m eur less than Ale.
Juve is a team that lost +200m eur in the last year and we'll lose even more this year due not playing CL. If our board offers him a pay-cut there is a reason for that. It was different with Trez and Camo. Back then the board offered them funny wages. Now the board is offering Del Piero a very reasonable ( imo, still more than he should be getting) salary.
For me it's not about the chances he missed. He missed few chances and a penalty, so what ? And it's not about his current bad form. It's about his performances in the future.I believe that he will only get worse, not better. He is still a class and he'll still be useful. But we have players who are more useful and influental on the pitch than Del Piero and all of them are getting lower wages than Ale.
Yeah, you can say the board is to be blamed because they should pay more to Camo, Trez, Chiellini.
But how can we offer them more when we don't have the money and we need smart money managment to become the force we were ?
And Del Piero wants to keep his ~4.8m eur per year ( 7.2m eur with the taxes included). You're telling me it's not selfish ? You're telling me he deserves to get the same money or close to the money trophy winners and one-man-team players like Kaka, Totti and Ibra are getting ?
If we had the money, ok, pay him the 4.8m if he wants them so much. But we're not financially strong as we were and Del Piero is not irreplaceable as he was, so he should accept the 3.4m eur the managment is offering.
dude do you remember when camo talks where about reducing his wages ?do you remember what he reply? he denied the first contract given to him .why should dp not take the money kaka or totti takes tell me that.. what have they achieved last year?or two years before ..come on ... dp was frustrated when we denoted to serieb b i wonder if someone of these players you mentioned me would have done the same thing .. i dont think so ... if it wasnt dp we would not BE IN SERIE A RIGHT NOW ..so do you agree with that?mustnt we pay the man who lift us in serie a?juve must find money from other factors like increasing our home attendance and going to cl this year... not from dps contract .. this is rediculous
It looks to me the other way around, you're not answering non of my questions but you keep repeating why shouldn't he accept. I already explained to you why he should reject.
So what if he was taking much more than Totti and Kaka, what's your point really? The man accepted 2 pay cuts, he did what he was asked to do. He doesn't see himself accepting more, it's his choice and I understand him for the things he achieved and for the sacrifices he has done for this club.
Mentioning Serie B, just because he was the first one to commit to Juve when they were down to B, and pushed the likes of Buffon and Mauro to stay is one of the reasons the man shouldn't have a pay-cut.
Are you Milan supporter? Why do you keep mentioning Milan players? We're talking about Juventus, I don't really give a damn about Kaka nor any other player. If he earns more than Milan players, so what? I still fail to see your point.
FFS, It's not like Juve's profit is going out of the line because of Del Piero's current wages. Please. make some sense.
We were passing through some difficult periods before, playing only UEFA, sometimes finishing the years without any trophy, yet Del Piero was still the most payed player. So what Juve is passing through has nothing really to do with Ale's wages.
And because you keep on talking about Milan, I really wonder, whom from the Milan players you just mentioned would have sacrified himself and played in Serie B. Guess non.
So the board offered Mauro and David funny wages and for Ale isn't funny? And you trying to explain me that you have an idea what wages David and Mauro were offered and what Ale is being offered now?
And stop with this more than he should be getting, it's not like you're paying his salary. Don't try to do a Don Bes here. You're not paying that from your pocket, and Juve isn't going bankrupt because of that.
Alessandro Del Piero should be treated same way Buffon, Trezeguet and Mauro and Pavel were treated, Cobolli changed his mind later on when he saw Davids reaction, Mauro's statements including Pavel's one. And for someone such as Del Piero, he should be giving some RESPECT and should be treated same way.
You and I both knows that If things didn't go well and Ale didn't renew, everything will be fucked you know that right? You know who'll follow Ale right?
It's not what I want to see, but it's a FACT.
You read the hand don't you?
you can predict for the future? tell us Alen, what's Bin Laden's second step will be?
I've heard this shit thousand times now, Ale will be getting worse bla bla bla, couple of years ago people said he was finished, and should be off Juve, should be there etc... yet he screwed every single person who insulted him bashed him and criticized him for no reason...
for more information, help yourself and check some old pages in this thread.
And you pretty make no sense in everything you say, you're just talking for the sake of talking, if everyone would walk by your theory, hunderds of players would have a pay-cut just because of your "FUTURE PREDICTION" .
Till they achieve what Ale has achieved, till they put their blood to the team like Ale did, till they become legends, etc, then they have the rights to ask for a higher wages.
So what if he was taking much more than Totti and Kaka, what's your point really? The man accepted 2 pay cuts, he did what he was asked to do. He doesn't see himself accepting more, it's his choice and I understand him for the things he achieved and for the sacrifices he has done for this club.
Mentioning Serie B, just because he was the first one to commit to Juve when they were down to B, and pushed the likes of Buffon and Mauro to stay is one of the reasons the man shouldn't have a pay-cut.
Are you Milan supporter? Why do you keep mentioning Milan players? We're talking about Juventus, I don't really give a damn about Kaka nor any other player. If he earns more than Milan players, so what? I still fail to see your point.
FFS, It's not like Juve's profit is going out of the line because of Del Piero's current wages. Please. make some sense.
We were passing through some difficult periods before, playing only UEFA, sometimes finishing the years without any trophy, yet Del Piero was still the most payed player. So what Juve is passing through has nothing really to do with Ale's wages.
And because you keep on talking about Milan, I really wonder, whom from the Milan players you just mentioned would have sacrified himself and played in Serie B. Guess non.
So the board offered Mauro and David funny wages and for Ale isn't funny? And you trying to explain me that you have an idea what wages David and Mauro were offered and what Ale is being offered now?
And stop with this more than he should be getting, it's not like you're paying his salary. Don't try to do a Don Bes here. You're not paying that from your pocket, and Juve isn't going bankrupt because of that.
Alessandro Del Piero should be treated same way Buffon, Trezeguet and Mauro and Pavel were treated, Cobolli changed his mind later on when he saw Davids reaction, Mauro's statements including Pavel's one. And for someone such as Del Piero, he should be giving some RESPECT and should be treated same way.
You and I both knows that If things didn't go well and Ale didn't renew, everything will be fucked you know that right? You know who'll follow Ale right?
It's not what I want to see, but it's a FACT.
You read the hand don't you?
you can predict for the future? tell us Alen, what's Bin Laden's second step will be?I've heard this shit thousand times now, Ale will be getting worse bla bla bla, couple of years ago people said he was finished, and should be off Juve, should be there etc... yet he screwed every single person who insulted him bashed him and criticized him for no reason...
for more information, help yourself and check some old pages in this thread.
And you pretty make no sense in everything you say, you're just talking for the sake of talking, if everyone would walk by your theory, hunderds of players would have a pay-cut just because of your "FUTURE PREDICTION" .
Till they achieve what Ale has achieved, till they put their blood to the team like Ale did, till they become legends, etc, then they have the rights to ask for a higher wages.
Del Piero made so much money for Juve, they'll never be able to pay it back. Not only by scoring important goals or playing good games, but also by being a player to represent the club. This guy is respected and adored all over the world, not only by Juve fans. You can hate Juve and still you can respect Del Piero. Every year, there are thousands of people getting Del Piero jerseys. He is not only a legend to the club, he is also a friggin' cash-machine and positive for the image of our beloved Juve.
First of all you must understand something : People who don’t agree with you about something related to Del Piero are not your enemies. I am not one of yours self created Ibra loving enemies. I really love Del Piero so I may be wrong, I admit it, but if I criticize him it’s only because I think that what he does is not good for the team. I repeat that I might be wrong.
So, no need for sarcasm in your replies.
Sorry, I didn’t see your questions and question marks.
I’ll be glad to answer them when I find them.
I’m not blaming him if he won’t accept a pay-cut.
He has enough authority and enough history in Juve not to accept it.
It’s only my personal opinion that if the board offers him a pay-cut then they have a very good reason to do so. And if that’s the case I think he should accept it.
But like I said, I don’t blame him at all if he won’t accept it.
And that’s what makes him a legend and our all time favorite. If the board is prepared to face the anger of Juve fans and of Del Piero because of this new contract offer then I guess they have a very good reason to offer him a pay-cut.
Think about it man. Why would they be acting this way if there isn’t a big reason for it ?
No, the opposite actually. I hate them more than any other team in the world, including Inter. I wanted them to be humiliated and lose every single match in cl last year and I didn’t cry a tear when Maldini lifted the trophy.
Did you cry a tear ? Did you cheer for Milan and wanted them to win cl ?
I thought my point is pretty clear. I mentioned Milan for a sole reason : According to all the financial reports I read as of late, Milan are the richest team in Italy and as you know, they became even richer after winning the CL.
Still, all Milan players and multiple CL winners don’t protest and are happy with the wages they got – wages that are much lower than Ale’s.
Juve is far from being as rich as Milan, Juve are in financial troubles, we keep losing money. So, forget Milan, look at Juve only – we must be economical and not overpay our players. If we overpay for Ale, the others will ask for a pay rise, all of them.
True if we put it in the simplistic way you’ve put it.
But like I said above, there will be consequences. Players who are already legends in Juve, who perform better than Ale and who’re getting much less than Ale may easily start protesting and ask for more. This may never happen, but it’s a risk that we mustn’t allow.
The new players we’ll buy, hopefully great players who are in their prime, will ask for much higher wages when they’ll see how much 33 years old Del Piero is earning.
If it was only for the 1.4m eur difference in offer and demand, I’m sure the board would have given them to Ale without a blink of an eye. But they are well aware of the possible consequences.
Was, was, was
He was our best player, our saviour in crucial matches, our one-man team in many matches, the man who brought millions of new fans and extra profit to Juve.
But football is not elementary school. Halo effect won’t work here and you don’t get something you don’t deserve only because of your performances in the past
Makes no difference in this case at all. First of all we don’t know if they’d have sacrificed themselves ( I’d like Milan to get relegated so we’d know the answer to this question, but the fact is we don’t know ) and like I said it makes no difference in this case.
It’s only important for Ale’s status as a legend and I explained why in football you don’t pay for a legendary status, you pay for on pitch performances.
I can’t claim that I know for sure. But I depend on the reports of their agents and on all those articles we read during the summer. We offered David a funny wage ~2m euro and to Camo we offered around 2.5m , if I’m not wrong.
Since Ale is earning 4.8m eur and we offer him a 30% pay-cut it means that he’ll be getting ~3.4m eur, which is still more than what Camoranesi is earning.
That’s why I don’t care how much he’ll get. If it won’t hurt the club he can get 100m per year as long as I’m concerned.
But if the board wants to cut his wages it means that they can not afford to pay them, or more probably, they don’t want to risk other players to ask for higher wages.
You’re overestimating him. According to this logic he’s bigger than Juve and Juve will be fucked if there is no Del Piero, and Buffon, Camo and Trez play for Juve only because Ale is here.
I agree that there will be some negatives at the beginning but we’ll pass through them.
It doesn’t matter though because Ale will stay with Juve. He loves us and he will never get the same respect and love from the fans and people in some other city. Also, he will never get more than 2m eur anywhere he goes.
Juve will lose a lot, Ale will lose much much more.
Good one, it made me laugh.
No, I don’t read the hand actually. I just used history and past data and experiences to help me make this statement. In 99.99% cases players start playing worse when they are 33. Worse then when they were 25, 28, 30. That is why I think Ale will be getting worse , not better
So, no need for sarcasm in your replies.
Sorry, I didn’t see your questions and question marks.
I’ll be glad to answer them when I find them.
I’m not blaming him if he won’t accept a pay-cut.
He has enough authority and enough history in Juve not to accept it.
It’s only my personal opinion that if the board offers him a pay-cut then they have a very good reason to do so. And if that’s the case I think he should accept it.
But like I said, I don’t blame him at all if he won’t accept it.
And that’s what makes him a legend and our all time favorite. If the board is prepared to face the anger of Juve fans and of Del Piero because of this new contract offer then I guess they have a very good reason to offer him a pay-cut.
Think about it man. Why would they be acting this way if there isn’t a big reason for it ?
No, the opposite actually. I hate them more than any other team in the world, including Inter. I wanted them to be humiliated and lose every single match in cl last year and I didn’t cry a tear when Maldini lifted the trophy.
Did you cry a tear ? Did you cheer for Milan and wanted them to win cl ?
I thought my point is pretty clear. I mentioned Milan for a sole reason : According to all the financial reports I read as of late, Milan are the richest team in Italy and as you know, they became even richer after winning the CL.
Still, all Milan players and multiple CL winners don’t protest and are happy with the wages they got – wages that are much lower than Ale’s.
Juve is far from being as rich as Milan, Juve are in financial troubles, we keep losing money. So, forget Milan, look at Juve only – we must be economical and not overpay our players. If we overpay for Ale, the others will ask for a pay rise, all of them.
True if we put it in the simplistic way you’ve put it.
But like I said above, there will be consequences. Players who are already legends in Juve, who perform better than Ale and who’re getting much less than Ale may easily start protesting and ask for more. This may never happen, but it’s a risk that we mustn’t allow.
The new players we’ll buy, hopefully great players who are in their prime, will ask for much higher wages when they’ll see how much 33 years old Del Piero is earning.
If it was only for the 1.4m eur difference in offer and demand, I’m sure the board would have given them to Ale without a blink of an eye. But they are well aware of the possible consequences.
Was, was, was
He was our best player, our saviour in crucial matches, our one-man team in many matches, the man who brought millions of new fans and extra profit to Juve.
But football is not elementary school. Halo effect won’t work here and you don’t get something you don’t deserve only because of your performances in the past
Makes no difference in this case at all. First of all we don’t know if they’d have sacrificed themselves ( I’d like Milan to get relegated so we’d know the answer to this question, but the fact is we don’t know ) and like I said it makes no difference in this case.
It’s only important for Ale’s status as a legend and I explained why in football you don’t pay for a legendary status, you pay for on pitch performances.
I can’t claim that I know for sure. But I depend on the reports of their agents and on all those articles we read during the summer. We offered David a funny wage ~2m euro and to Camo we offered around 2.5m , if I’m not wrong.
Since Ale is earning 4.8m eur and we offer him a 30% pay-cut it means that he’ll be getting ~3.4m eur, which is still more than what Camoranesi is earning.
That’s why I don’t care how much he’ll get. If it won’t hurt the club he can get 100m per year as long as I’m concerned.
But if the board wants to cut his wages it means that they can not afford to pay them, or more probably, they don’t want to risk other players to ask for higher wages.
You’re overestimating him. According to this logic he’s bigger than Juve and Juve will be fucked if there is no Del Piero, and Buffon, Camo and Trez play for Juve only because Ale is here.
I agree that there will be some negatives at the beginning but we’ll pass through them.
It doesn’t matter though because Ale will stay with Juve. He loves us and he will never get the same respect and love from the fans and people in some other city. Also, he will never get more than 2m eur anywhere he goes.
Juve will lose a lot, Ale will lose much much more.
You read the hand don't you? you can predict for the future? tell us Alen, what's Bin Laden's second step will be? .
you can predict for the future? tell us Alen, what's Bin Laden's second step will be? .
No, I don’t read the hand actually. I just used history and past data and experiences to help me make this statement. In 99.99% cases players start playing worse when they are 33. Worse then when they were 25, 28, 30. That is why I think Ale will be getting worse , not better
You're crazy if you Think that we are i A only thanks to Alex 
I'm wondering did you saw any of Juve games last season, cuz if I recall corectly Alex didn't played as a GK, defender and midfielder at the same time. I think that you are underrestimating other players who also played in B and gave their contribution. As much as I hate to say it, we must admit that Gigi made biggest sacrifice (even with all his moaning) for this club. He is on he's peak and he could easily join every club in the world unlike Alex adn not to mention that Gigi is far shorter at this club compared to Alex. However all hats must go dow for Alex cuz he was first who commited to us and made an impact to others but it's like if it wasn't him we would still be in B.
That's the only reason why I understand Alex refusal of the pay-cut.
I'm wondering did you saw any of Juve games last season, cuz if I recall corectly Alex didn't played as a GK, defender and midfielder at the same time. I think that you are underrestimating other players who also played in B and gave their contribution. As much as I hate to say it, we must admit that Gigi made biggest sacrifice (even with all his moaning) for this club. He is on he's peak and he could easily join every club in the world unlike Alex adn not to mention that Gigi is far shorter at this club compared to Alex. However all hats must go dow for Alex cuz he was first who commited to us and made an impact to others but it's like if it wasn't him we would still be in B.That's the only reason why I understand Alex refusal of the pay-cut.
Some of you guys in here are being such big pricks! Every time DP has a few off day`s, there you guys go again baying for his blood. I know he`s 33, maybe not the same as he was 5 yrs ago,but c`mon guys who r u trying to kid.....This is DP we`re talking about here.
Have u ppl forgotten who scored the most goals last year? because of whom did most of the other stars stick around in seria b with us?
The year before that i think he got somewhere around 12-15 goals despite being benched for most of the season by crapello, so has he suddenly become this bad a player for you guys.
Every player has their off day`s, this has happened time and again with ale, one bad game and everyone starts questioning him.
Regarding his contract, the bunch of jokers up at the board should work out something to keep ale happy, get his mind off this contract nonsense and back on the game.
And donadoni, that joker plays a striker as a LM, and the whole of italy is back on ale`s back, seriously guys what do u expect.....i watched that match and for a good 75% ale was around the halfway line or behind it defending, still he`s the one to blame for the draw and not donadoni`s nonsensicle tactics.
For all you ale baiters out there.....talk at the end of the season if he`s finished or not......and support the man who had the ball`s to stick with his club in seriab when most players would`ve packed bags and left!!
Have u ppl forgotten who scored the most goals last year? because of whom did most of the other stars stick around in seria b with us?
The year before that i think he got somewhere around 12-15 goals despite being benched for most of the season by crapello, so has he suddenly become this bad a player for you guys.
Every player has their off day`s, this has happened time and again with ale, one bad game and everyone starts questioning him.
Regarding his contract, the bunch of jokers up at the board should work out something to keep ale happy, get his mind off this contract nonsense and back on the game.
And donadoni, that joker plays a striker as a LM, and the whole of italy is back on ale`s back, seriously guys what do u expect.....i watched that match and for a good 75% ale was around the halfway line or behind it defending, still he`s the one to blame for the draw and not donadoni`s nonsensicle tactics.
For all you ale baiters out there.....talk at the end of the season if he`s finished or not......and support the man who had the ball`s to stick with his club in seriab when most players would`ve packed bags and left!!