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[Zé Tahir]

Right, and they didn't because they felt like ridiculing themselves infront of the whole world.

Everyone stop with the "if they really wanted to" argument. Last time I checked war is the real shit, so there are no if's and butt's in it.

btw, how did this thread go so off track. I was enjoying reading the Rami - Erik - Martin posts. Damnit Rebel or Muha, who ever it was

 

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[Muha]

People think about money before they start a war.. the smartest way to do it, is to find the cheapest way...

If Hezballah wasnt there, they would've took control of Beirut, announced military law, and assigned Jumblat as head of state, and left Sanyora where he is.

Right, and they didn't because they felt like ridiculing themselves infront of the whole world.

Everyone stop with the "if they really wanted to" argument. Last time I checked war is the real shit, so there are no if's and butt's in it.

btw, how did this thread go so off track. I was enjoying reading the Rami - Erik - Martin posts. Damnit Rebel or Muha, who ever it was

I knew it was going to goo waay off track ..

 

[ReBeL]

Right, and they didn't because they felt like ridiculing themselves infront of the whole world.

Everyone stop with the "if they really wanted to" argument. Last time I checked war is the real shit, so there are no if's and butt's in it.

btw, how did this thread go so off track. I was enjoying reading the Rami - Erik - Martin posts. Damnit Rebel or Muha, who ever it was

It was not me. It was the damned Muha

Go back to the religion discussion, guys

 

[Muha]

Ok dude.

back to religion it is

 

[mikhail]

Damn straight. Was thinking about locking this. Good to see it self-correcting.

 

[JCK]

from the beaches in the west.. they could have made a re-run of Omaha or paratroop soldiers next to the capital where Hizbollah usually focuses on the front..if they wanted Lebanon, it would happen

Exactly, if that was their purpose they would have achieved it, even if it's going to cost a lot, they would have gained a whole land.

 

[mikhail]

Come on Jeeks. Back on topic. You know how these conversations end, unfortunately.

 

[Rami]

So?

Nothing, I wasn't really justifying the "victory" stance. On the contrary, this past summer's war IMO wasn't a victory for Hizbullah, and it wasn't a defeat to Israel either. If anything got defeated, its just the Israeli arrogance, but thats about it, hardly a reason to justify that war....

 

[Seven]

I wouldn't want to discuss the first paragrapgh with you because simply put, I am a believer and you are not...Nothing I would say or do, would make you change your mind. Only you could make that judgement. I only wish that you read more into it, and seek understanding, because calling it a book and the guy a lunatic, doesnt really sound that you are well informed to pass a final judgement...int:

As for the second, I remember that there was a thread about "Jehad", and I have talked about it extensively, I will try to dig it up....

I said you would consider the guy a lunatic, because in this day and age we'd all think he is one. In a more backward society however (and no need to get distressed here, as this goes for christianity as well) it is possible to be accepted as a self proclaimed messenger of God. However that is no different than the oracle of Delphi, which all in all was the classical equivalent of a crack whore. Therefore I often wonder to myself why we, in a far more advanced age, do accept a religion based on this principle, but not the principle itself. I conclude: We don't see crack whores as great spiritual leaders, yet we tolerate christianity.


I know, that was very insulting .

 

[mikhail]

Nuts to this.

(Nothing to do with your post Seven - I know you might be suspicious!)

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I said you would consider the guy a lunatic, because in this day and age we'd all think he is one. In a more backward society however (and no need to get distressed here, as this goes for christianity as well) it is possible to be accepted as a self proclaimed messenger of God. However that is no different than the oracle of Delphi, which all in all was the classical equivalent of a crack whore. Therefore I often wonder to myself why we, in a far more advanced age, do accept a religion based on this principle, but not the principle itself. I conclude: We don't see crack whores as great spiritual leaders, yet we tolerate christianity.


I know, that was very insulting .

Belief in God is a priori. Now for an atheist to look at religion: preposterous. As Rami tried to say, if you dont believe in a deity you would look at religion in that light "backwards" Vs "Advanced". Bearing in mind that all that consitutes "advanced" is itself theoretical. And we dont decorticate quantum theroy based on the weird/freak tendencies of its promulgators. 99% messages 1% messenger. But in the case of christianity and islam the messenger was amalgamated with the message, as it usually is with dogma. But again as Rami put it it's useless discussing religion if there isnt at least some sort of consensus on the existence of the divine.
I have posted this before but i will do it again this is how Islamic figures such as Farabi, Avicenna and Averroes looked at it:

http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/pg1.htm

 

[.zero]

Belief in God is a priori. Now for an atheist to look at religion: preposterous. As Rami tried to say, if you dont believe in a deity you would look at religion in that light "backwards" Vs "Advanced". Bearing in mind that all that consitutes "advanced" is itself theoretical. And we dont decorticate quantum theroy based on the weird/freak tendencies of its promulgators. 99% messages 1% messenger. But in the case of christianity and islam the messenger was amalgamated with the message, as it usually is with dogma. But again as Rami put it it's useless discussing religion if there isnt at least some sort of consensus on the existence of the divine.

brilliant...

i am not trying to start a war here but 7's comments although incendiary do hold some bare truths. i'm not taking sides but both christianity and islam are both very similar in the fact that when you point out something about one there are certain mimicries in the other whether it is explicit or not. RELIGION IS WHAT MAN WANTS IT TO BE, HE MOLDS IT LIKE CLAY TO FIT HIS LIFESTYLE AND HIS SOCIETAL AVENUES. MESSENGER//MESSAGES OR NOT DIVINE EXISTS BUT NOT IN THE FORM OR BELIEF THAT CERTAIN FAITHS PROPOGATE IT AS.

"you are all a bunch of dirty rotten scoundrels" -- j/k hahha
now lets enjoy inter falling to moscow batches

 

[Snoop]

Nuts to this.

(Nothing to do with your post Seven - I know you might be suspicious!)

what is your excitement (to close threads) about? you just can't let everyone focus about one subject in a single thread you know?

 

[.zero]

Nuts to this.

(Nothing to do with your post Seven - I know you might be suspicious!)

CLOSE IT NOW, SAVE US ALL

 

[Muha]

Why close it?... Its on the right path.. people are still discussing religion.

 

[mikhail]

what is your excitement (to close threads) about? you just can't let everyone focus about one subject in a single thread you know?

We agreed a while back to not let anyone focus on the current subject, for reasons we keep coming back to.