If you jump, Balotelli dies(Se Saltelli Muore Balotelli) (4 Viewers)
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The "new, funny, chant was created by the same prople who create the "old, racist" chant, because they thought it would be easily defended as not being racist, as many have done so here. It is clear that the intent and motivation of the chant is (used in the stadium) malicious and caused, not only by a a dislike of the player's attitude of Inter, but by the fact he is black and could play for Italy.
To suggest otherwise is based on unreasonable conjecture, as the fact that they immediately used the racist chant when asked to stop- stupid idiots that they are.
If people here want to use the chant because they think it funny, then let them, but I for my part refrain from using the language of racist because to me it is not funny but a scandle and scar to Juventus.
Anyone who has stood next to these people (they are not all ultras) would I feel agree, if they were not themselves racist.
To suggest otherwise is based on unreasonable conjecture, as the fact that they immediately used the racist chant when asked to stop- stupid idiots that they are.
If people here want to use the chant because they think it funny, then let them, but I for my part refrain from using the language of racist because to me it is not funny but a scandle and scar to Juventus.
Anyone who has stood next to these people (they are not all ultras) would I feel agree, if they were not themselves racist.
First everyone here was saying "it wasn't racist" rightly so, and I never claimed that, now even after the racist chants in Bordeaux game some of you are still saying these are all not racism, or they "pushed" us to say racist chants like those? This is exactly the same way our members reacted for the Calciopoli incident, like "real" Juve fans. "JUVENTUS NEVER CHEAT!" "JUVENTUS FANS ARE NOT RACIST", it's all conspiracy isn't it? I mean I bet it was their fans, Inter fans placed among ours singing racist songs against Balotelli in Bordeaux game!
Would you really want us to remain completely silent? Sure, racism in Italy is not exclusive to football, but rather a fruit of the current Italian society and culture. Even if we can't do much, there will come a time when these issues will seriously harm calcio. The likes of Sissoko might choose to go elsewhere because of the fans' behaviour, as Patrice Evra already has. Let them speak, for God's sake.
Do you know what would really undermine Juventus? Handling this silently for the sake of PR, or even worse, pride.
Do you know what would really undermine Juventus? Handling this silently for the sake of PR, or even worse, pride.
Lets say I wouldn't want us to remain silent and instead want the Club to make an official statement and condemn this? Will it help? Will it stop? I don't think so. Anyone who has been to Football Stadiums or played football knows that the more you provoke the fans the more you'll get it. It's everywhere like this.
I am with condemning this, because when all teams worldwide were accused of racism we never had a dust of racism on us. But now because it's Balotelli and for the million times because he's black and it happens that he's retarded they're making a big serial drama out of it. From Inter president to a turtle like Javier Zanetti.
Sissoko can speak, I got no problem with him speaking but he should pick his words carefully because we will get into real mess and we will look awful to Media and Press if it will turn out to be Players vs Fans one day(which will never happen hopefully).
I just want Sissoko or any other one to know how to handle media and to know how to speak, like Del Piero for example.
I am with condemning this, because when all teams worldwide were accused of racism we never had a dust of racism on us. But now because it's Balotelli and for the million times because he's black and it happens that he's retarded they're making a big serial drama out of it. From Inter president to a turtle like Javier Zanetti.
Sissoko can speak, I got no problem with him speaking but he should pick his words carefully because we will get into real mess and we will look awful to Media and Press if it will turn out to be Players vs Fans one day(which will never happen hopefully).
I just want Sissoko or any other one to know how to handle media and to know how to speak, like Del Piero for example.
Totally with Sadomin on this one. There needs to be a reaction to this. Someone has to provide a counter point. The stakes are higher than football. You don't keep quiet just because you don't want to upset the people who are displaying this pathetic behavior.
And it frankly doesn't matter whether racism was intended or not. You don't fight racism only when it's painfully clear that no other motive could enter into it, you fight it from the very roots.
And it frankly doesn't matter whether racism was intended or not. You don't fight racism only when it's painfully clear that no other motive could enter into it, you fight it from the very roots.
What's so hard? You hear someone say something racist, you respond. That way you challenge the perceived norms of the group. If you don't, the guy's racist remark gets to stand on the collective conscience as "something that was uttered which was not challenged, therefore accepted". The only way to shape a culture is to be an influence.
This is silly man. Seriously you think one guy will be saying something racist? or couple of guys?
If you got hundreds to say the least, how are you going to stop them? Take them out? How do you take them out, by picking them one by one from 15-20 thousands fans?
Unless you have different definition to respond and I got it wrong.
If you got hundreds to say the least, how are you going to stop them? Take them out? How do you take them out, by picking them one by one from 15-20 thousands fans?
Unless you have different definition to respond and I got it wrong.
Actually, yes. Think about it. Do you think these guys all went to a bar before the game, all 200 of them, and drew up plans of what they would yell during the game? No. That strikes me as unlikely. Much more likely it was one or two (or three) individuals who came up with this awfully clever Balotelli chant among themselves, and once they started yelling it the others followed. Most people are followers, be it racism or violence or anything at all. They wouldn't start something themselves, but if everyone else is doing it, then it's okay.
If one player (or all the players) come out and oppose the behavior, that sends a signal. Do Lazio players oppose their fascist fans? I haven't heard of it. But they should. Because although they are only a handful of people they command terrific respect among the thousands in that stadium. You play the game right, you get everyone on your side, except the ultras. And in the end, maybe even the ultras.
It's the power principle, Rab. If there is a power vacuum, then whoever takes it has it. You have to challenge that. You have to counter those instincts, because that creates a power struggle (if you will). And you can win or lose, but most people aren't racist or even mean spirited to the point of singing this kind of thing, so there's a very good chance you'll win.
If one player (or all the players) come out and oppose the behavior, that sends a signal. Do Lazio players oppose their fascist fans? I haven't heard of it. But they should. Because although they are only a handful of people they command terrific respect among the thousands in that stadium. You play the game right, you get everyone on your side, except the ultras. And in the end, maybe even the ultras.
It's the power principle, Rab. If there is a power vacuum, then whoever takes it has it. You have to challenge that. You have to counter those instincts, because that creates a power struggle (if you will). And you can win or lose, but most people aren't racist or even mean spirited to the point of singing this kind of thing, so there's a very good chance you'll win.
I mean let's be straight for a minute. You're telling me that among maybe 20k people it's impossible to defeat a group of 500? Or 1000? Seriously? How big an advantage do you frickin need then? If you get people a little organized to respond to this garbage (and this is something players could help bring about), you can stop it.
Just to support what Martin said. Regular Lazio majority of fans has later on fought and diminished the faschist ultra's racist shit by completely booing and whistlening them out when they do their shit (monkey chants even against their own players), to the point it does not happen barely anymore (The lega fined the heck of Lazio for a while too). Better example is also what Nou camp crowd did to the ultra shitheads who used to pull crap like that too. Completely chased them out.
MUCH better then to completely excuse this shit or not acknowledge it at all. Or worse, say to a player (who btw is doing this with our frigging Board, is upholding our image, not undermining it) to shut up because he is against this.
MUCH better then to completely excuse this shit or not acknowledge it at all. Or worse, say to a player (who btw is doing this with our frigging Board, is upholding our image, not undermining it) to shut up because he is against this.
The chants appear to be an Italian thing, but they seem to be because he is black and acts like a douche, for instance C.Ronaldo acted like an even bigger douche while at united and no one chants anything racist at him.
They are shameful, and if it was the club I would find a way to ban them, and not let them go anywhere near the stadium. And I'm saying this not cause I care about Balotelli, but cause they can put Juventus into trouble and they insist on doing it anyway....They don't give a shit about Juve, they don't care about the club. Italy needs a revamp with regards supporters, clamping down on these ultras should be the first step.
They are shameful, and if it was the club I would find a way to ban them, and not let them go anywhere near the stadium. And I'm saying this not cause I care about Balotelli, but cause they can put Juventus into trouble and they insist on doing it anyway....They don't give a shit about Juve, they don't care about the club. Italy needs a revamp with regards supporters, clamping down on these ultras should be the first step.
