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[Bjerknes]

Someone really ought to teach you a thing or two about Italy, yankee.

So there aren't a lot of nationalists in Italy?

 

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[Seven]

So there aren't a lot of nationalists in Italy?

There are NO nationalists in Italy.

 

[Bjerknes]

There are NO nationalists in Italy.

I find that very hard to believe, especially when ultras across Italy think foreigners are idiots for supporting Italian teams.

 

[Seven]

I find that very hard to believe, especially when ultras across Italy think foreigners are idiots for supporting Italian teams.

Ultras? You're seriously referring to ultras? You think ultras are nationalists?

You read A Season With Verona, right?

Remember Reggina-Hellas?

 

[Bjerknes]

Ultras? You're seriously referring to ultras? You think ultras are nationalists?

Well, perhaps they're not nationalists, but they don't seem to be very accepting of foreigners.

But no matter their political affiliations, they do cause problems in stadiums, which is the real issue here. So to blast the international game while supporting club football despite having the same problems in both is nonsensical.

 

[Ford Prefect]

The problem is, this stuff happens everywhere. Not only in international football, but also club football, city gangs, people who have the same name as you, and people the same age as you in your city. It's not just international football.

That's why I find blasting international football while loving club football is a joke. Then add on cheering for a country known for it's extreme nationalism and you simply are not making any sense whatsoever.

What you've done here is made me out to be a hypocrite, Club football is different (as i said) Club football isnt on a national level and should be dealt with on a regional level.

I DO NOT SUPPORT PATRIOTISM OR NATIONALISM. (as i said)

BUT

It exists (as i said)

and

because it exists. (as i said)

I do not want people to associate the people that live in england or for that matter any country with those that go and behave like idiots in support of a country in international sports. (as i said) Ill make it clear, I dont want that to happen, i dont support it happening, but it does happen and whilst it does happen i have to compromise, are you still confused?

 

[Bjerknes]

Ultras? You're seriously referring to ultras? You think ultras are nationalists?

You read A Season With Verona, right?

Remember Reggina-Hellas?

I haven't read that book in years, Probably should read it again.

 

[The Curr]

Ultras? You're seriously referring to ultras? You think ultras are nationalists?

You read A Season With Verona, right?

Remember Reggina-Hellas?

I'm going to jump in here. I read that book twice but what happened at Reggina-Hellas?

 

[Martin]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with patriotism in sports.

Patriotism is a short walk away from nationalism, and sports doubtlessly ignites nationalism.

Basically, as long as we're all the same there is no pretext for hostility. But as soon as you draw a line, creating an "us" and a "them" you are paving the way for tribalism. Patriotism is relatively absurd. I'm going to support the people that happen to live in the country that I live in, for no real reason. Knowing full well that if I happened to live in a different country I'd support the people over there. So it's nothing to do with the people really, it's basically a Pavlovian reflex.

 

[Seven]

Well, perhaps they're not nationalists, but they don't seem to be very accepting of foreigners.

But no matter their political affiliations, they do cause problems in stadiums, which is the real issue here. So to blast the international game while supporting club football despite having the same problems in both is nonsensical.

I'm going to give you three words:

campanilismo - risorgimento - terrone

You can do this, Andy. You can learn some of the basics of Italy. You can understand something about this country. It is possible, I have faith in you.

 

[swag]

Allegiances to club or country really don't make a difference to me. There are idiot supporters, period. And those people, by association with the flag of their country or the jersey of their favorite club player, give others a bad name by association.

Nationality is just one dimension. Clubism (even if it isn't a word) is largely just a different dimension on that when it comes to footie fans and hooliganism. (I think it was a style of painting once attempted by Picasso until he settled on Cubism.)

 

[Bjerknes]

What you've done here is made me out to be a hypocrite, Club football is different (as i said) Club football isnt on a national level and should be dealt with on a regional level.

I DO NOT SUPPORT PATRIOTISM OR NATIONALISM. (as i said)

BUT

It exists (as i said)

and

because it exists. (as i said)

I do not want people to associate the people that live in england or for that matter any country with those that go and behave like idiots in support of a country in international sports. (as i said) Ill make it clear, I dont want that to happen, i dont support it happening, but it does happen and whilst it does happen i have to compromise, are you still confused?

I can't help but think you're trying to spur on those stereotypes, though.

 

[Seven]

I'm going to jump in here. I read that book twice but what happened at Reggina-Hellas?

It's North versus South. A lot insults going both ways, people singing "ma come cazzo parlate, non si capisce"... stuff like that.

 

[swag]

It's North versus South. A lot insults going both ways, people singing "ma come cazzo parlate, non si capisce"... stuff like that.

That is a great phrase, though.

 

[Martin]

Seven, what are you not paying for? I could make a really bad joke out of your signature.

 

[The Curr]

It's North versus South. A lot insults going both ways, people singing "ma come cazzo parlate, non si capisce"... stuff like that.

Ah yes, I remember now.

It's like Dublin versus everywhere else in Ireland.

 

[Seven]

That is a great phrase, though.

It's catchy too. But my point is: no one who has ever been to Italy would call Italians nationalists. Hell, they'd be better off if they were nationalists. Andy's confused and mixing up several phenomena.

 

[Seven]

Seven, what are you not paying for? I could make a really bad joke out of your signature.

I'm not paying for this forum IIRC. Where IS Byrone actually?

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm going to give you three words:

campanilismo - risorgimento - terrone

I guess I can see where you're going with that.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I can't help but think you're trying to spur on those stereotypes, though.

I cant help but think you havent been to england of late.