If you had to pick only one... (3 Viewers)

Club or NT?

  • Club(Juventus...)

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Ford Prefect

Senior Member
May 28, 2009
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There's a UK national team?

There will always be nationalism to some extent and I consider international sport to be a relatively harmless way of expressing it.

It's bad enough the amount of people round here who support Juve over their local team, never mind the people that support a different country insteadof their own.
Perhaps i should have said the teams of the uk, which is what i meant.

International sport is relatively harmless?





Armed with knives, neo-Nazi Polish gangs pose the greatest threat for violence at this summer's World Cup, Brian Alexander writesl
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Less crowd trouble generally at international football than club football.

Poland has lots of violence at club games, so it is inevitable that some of them will follow the national team.
 

Elgerino

Junior Member
Feb 2, 2009
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Perhaps i should have said the teams of the uk, which is what i meant.

International sport is relatively harmless?
That's a really simplistic way of thinking. These pictures show people that are blindly patriotic; international sport have nothing to do with it, so you can't blame it. Btw, I agree that blind patriotism is a disease and should be eradicated.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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I dont care if its the majority or the minority, it still happeneds and it remains the reason i cannot be in support of it, and it is the sports fault as if the sport were happening, neither would the hooliganism.
 

The Curr

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Feb 3, 2007
33,703
I dont care if its the majority or the minority, it still happeneds and it remains the reason i cannot be in support of it, and it is the sports fault as if the sport were happening, neither would the hooliganism.
But it's not just international football that has a hooligan element.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Perhaps i should have said the teams of the uk, which is what i meant.

International sport is relatively harmless?





Armed with knives, neo-Nazi Polish gangs pose the greatest threat for violence at this summer's World Cup, Brian Alexander writesl
But it is. Consider how many fans around the world never get involved in violence and appreciate how rare this actually is. How many football fans are there in the world, 500m? 300m? And this happens maybe a couple of times a year, in some countries. In others not at all.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,995
Jasper complains about football hooliganism in the international game yet says he's a fan of Italy, a nation that has several blind patriots and tons of problems at matches.

What about some of the racists in Drughi?

Hell, lets just ban football all together.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,995
The thing is though.. this question is very easy for me: Juventus is not part of my identity, or at least not as much as being Belgian is. If Belgium win it is much more my win.

This may be different to Andy for example. He was probably that weird soccer fan with the Juve jersey in high school. Made it his trademark. So for him it might be an actual question.
Those who know me know I'm a soccer fan in general, and really get rowdy when the Nats play.
 

Ford Prefect

Senior Member
May 28, 2009
10,557
Jasper complains about football hooliganism in the international game yet says he's a fan of Italy, a nation that has several blind patriots and tons of problems at matches.

What about some of the racists in Drughi?

Hell, lets just ban football all together.
I can watch a match on tv and want a team to win without being in a support of a countries ideology or fan behavour. Club football is different to international football. When people from England or Italy or Poland go abroad they are representing their country and when they go and fight, get drunk, are being rascist etc.etc. it reflects on me aswell as the rest of the British or French or Polish or Italian populase, and as much as i might not want that to happen it still does and i dont want people to think that of me, my fellow country men or of countries in general. Dont nit pick me on this post and try and point out that i am a hypocrite or anything along those lines, in my head i have it clear where my opinion stands and it doesnt compromise and i just cannot be bothered to explain it repeatedly to people that want to be anal/(i cant think of the word)or want to find problems
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Seriously. Tell any Juve fan who lived through Heysel that the Liverpool fans who collapsed the wall are unrelated to anyone else affiliated with Liverpool at the match.
 

Ford Prefect

Senior Member
May 28, 2009
10,557
So do I. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, IMO.
How doesnt it? its fairly simple to me, i dont like utter morons trolling about bragging about england getting drunk and behaving like c###s, which then reflects on me and everyone else that lives in this country. I dont like that and dont think it should happen. You seem to think that because i want a team to win i should support what the other supporters do or what that country does and i dont.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,995
How doesnt it? its fairly simple to me, i dont like utter morons trolling about bragging about england getting drunk and behaving like c###s, which then reflects on me and everyone else that lives in this country. I dont like that and dont think it should happen. You seem to think that because i want a team to win i should support what the other supporters do or what that country does and i dont.
The problem is, this stuff happens everywhere. Not only in international football, but also club football, city gangs, people who have the same name as you, and people the same age as you in your city. It's not just international football.

That's why I find blasting international football while loving club football is a joke. Then add on cheering for a country known for it's extreme nationalism and you simply are not making any sense whatsoever.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Jasper complains about football hooliganism in the international game yet says he's a fan of Italy, a nation that has several blind patriots and tons of problems at matches.

What about some of the racists in Drughi?

Hell, lets just ban football all together.
:howler:

Someone really ought to teach you a thing or two about Italy, yankee.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,443
The problem is, this stuff happens everywhere. Not only in international football, but also club football, city gangs, people who have the same name as you, and people the same age as you in your city. It's not just international football.

That's why I find blasting international football while loving club football is a joke. Then add on cheering for a country known for it's extreme nationalism and you simply are not making any sense whatsoever.
Americans are far more extreme than Italians. If you had actually bothered to learn something about Italy, such as how it got to be there in the first place, you might have realised that nationalism, in the true sense of the word, is very improbable in Italy.

Polentone-terrone.. no? Still not getting it?
 

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