Phil has done alright for himself, but the music changed somewhat. Last I heard from him was a few years ago he said he was gonna retire and live on a farm.
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Oh glad we got that resolved. I haven't listen to a single minute of any leaked Guns material, it's sort of a protest against Axl. But if the album sees the light of day, I'll probably give it a shot.
Hmm...it's strange that you would say Page is your all time favourite guitarist, mine too when I take in consideration everything, and I know you like Clapton as well. So not liking Hendrix doesn't fit the "profile". You should listen to some Hendrix, I wasn't a fan not too long ago either, but man, could he play. You need to experience it, there's no other way you can understand his impact on rock music and how much it lost when he died. Freddie's death simply didn't have such an impact because everyone knew him, knew what he did and what he could do. Hendrix died practically as soon as he hit his peak, I can only imagine what he would have recorded had he lived a few more years. And Mercury'd death got a lot more medie exposure because it was the 90's and he was gay and he died of AIDS, etc. Scandals, scandals, scandals whereas Hendrix died at the start of the 70's where his death was known only among rock musicians and fans.
Let me put it this way; Freddie had little or nothing left to show to RNR, he already done it all, Hendrix had a ton of things in front of him, a genius which we were stripped off too soon. Rock simply lost more with Hendrix then it did with Freddie.
I wasn't questioning Waters' creative influence, he's a genius, no doubt about it but it's his own decision and his musical direction he wanted to take that got him out of Floyd. That's what frustrates me with Waters fans, they think he was the core of the band when he simply wasn't. I don't know if you're much of a Maiden fan, but Steve Harris is (coincendantallly) the bassist and main songwriter(wrote probably 90% of the songs) of the band whereas everyone knows the band is not half as good without the gentleman in my avatar. It's the same with Waters and Gilmour, neither was more important, songwriting is no less important than singing those songs or playing some of the most amazing guitar solos on them. And in the end Gilmour, with the rest of the band, recorded some great stuff without Waters so..just don't call it fake Pink Floyd and that will be enough.
Hmm...it's strange that you would say Page is your all time favourite guitarist, mine too when I take in consideration everything, and I know you like Clapton as well. So not liking Hendrix doesn't fit the "profile". You should listen to some Hendrix, I wasn't a fan not too long ago either, but man, could he play. You need to experience it, there's no other way you can understand his impact on rock music and how much it lost when he died. Freddie's death simply didn't have such an impact because everyone knew him, knew what he did and what he could do. Hendrix died practically as soon as he hit his peak, I can only imagine what he would have recorded had he lived a few more years. And Mercury'd death got a lot more medie exposure because it was the 90's and he was gay and he died of AIDS, etc. Scandals, scandals, scandals whereas Hendrix died at the start of the 70's where his death was known only among rock musicians and fans.
Let me put it this way; Freddie had little or nothing left to show to RNR, he already done it all, Hendrix had a ton of things in front of him, a genius which we were stripped off too soon. Rock simply lost more with Hendrix then it did with Freddie.
I wasn't questioning Waters' creative influence, he's a genius, no doubt about it but it's his own decision and his musical direction he wanted to take that got him out of Floyd. That's what frustrates me with Waters fans, they think he was the core of the band when he simply wasn't. I don't know if you're much of a Maiden fan, but Steve Harris is (coincendantallly) the bassist and main songwriter(wrote probably 90% of the songs) of the band whereas everyone knows the band is not half as good without the gentleman in my avatar. It's the same with Waters and Gilmour, neither was more important, songwriting is no less important than singing those songs or playing some of the most amazing guitar solos on them. And in the end Gilmour, with the rest of the band, recorded some great stuff without Waters so..just don't call it fake Pink Floyd and that will be enough.
Coming back to Freddie,yes,thats what i meant by his death generating a lot of attention..the media,the sexuality etc.But the argument about Hendrix's loss being a bigger loss can be twisted the other way too...with Freddie's death,music lost a fully grown,monstrous giant..and with Hendrix's loss,music lost a potentialy monstrous giant
.Im not a big Iron Maiden fan,but i dont really mind them.And Dickinson and a gentleman?
.With Pink Floyd,(and with a lot of other bands) its easy to side with the person who was abondoned.In Floyd' case it was waters,therefore a lot of people take Waters side out of sheer sympathy.I did so myself initially,until i found out that he had been a dick in the first place.But its obvious from Pink Floyd's post waters era that the band is simlpy not as good without him(Momentary Lapse Of Reason and The Division Bell were good efforts,but there was something missing in them IMO,or maybe it was just a subconcious thing).Just like Waters himself isnt as good without the other 3.(I was blown away by the The Wall's live album though).A fan of the progressive Genesis or the commercial Genesis?
And hey..no one's mentioned The Doors or The Who!
Seriously, I love them all together, but you are keep telling me that wrong thing! David Gilmour wasn't one of the founders of the Pink Floyd, they were 4, Syd, Roger, Richard and Nick! NO DAVID! Sure the band "David Gilmour and friends" did ok job, and had some great songs, but not as genius as they did before with Rogers, and I don't deny the fact that Gilmour didn't have his impact with his guitar, and I love his voice too, and like Salman said it, Gilmour didn't like the idea that he was one step behind of Waters, and Waters is an asshole and I don't deny that neither, but the son of a bitch was talented like Ibrahimovic (Rab won't like this ) just admit it, his absence was obvious, the beauty was all gone..
You still should get that Waters concert I told you, or have that Amuse to death Album, ofcourse it was the same way, not as great as when Gilmour with him and vice versa..
) just admit it, his absence was obvious, the beauty was all gone.. You still should get that Waters concert I told you, or have that Amuse to death Album, ofcourse it was the same way, not as great as when Gilmour with him and vice versa..
Again, I'm not questioning Waters' genius, of course stuff with both of them were miles ahead of stuff without Waters. But...Waters strayed of course, his final album with the band "Final Cut" practically his solo work and it SUCKED! If that was the direction he wanter the band to be going, than I'm glad he left the band and Gilmour and the others continued. Compaired to "The Final Cut" both albums released after Waters left were master-pieces.
And you're again giving Waters too much credit. He was the lead songwriter but he wasn't the only one and mark my words, without Gilmour all the band's master pieces(Wall, DSOTM, Wish You Were Here, Animals) wouldn't have been half as good. Half as good!
Hendrix is a genius.Ive heard his stuff,but the fact that im a much bigger Led Zeppelin fan makes me lean towards Page's corner.I even rate Eddie Van Halen higher than id rate Hendrix,but all of this is primarily because ive heard much more of Page and Eddie.Clapton on the other hand,is different.His playing is so brilliant,yet so effortless.He doesnt really have Hendrix or Slash's stage antics,but can he play or what.To me he'll always come across as a University professor who accidentaly came to a concert and then stumbled on to the stage for a performance
Coming back to Freddie,yes,thats what i meant by his death generating a lot of attention..the media,the sexuality etc.But the argument about Hendrix's loss being a bigger loss can be twisted the other way too...with Freddie's death,music lost a fully grown,monstrous giant..and with Hendrix's loss,music lost a potentialy monstrous giant.
Im not a big Iron Maiden fan,but i dont really mind them.And Dickinson and a gentleman?.With Pink Floyd,(and with a lot of other bands) its easy to side with the person who was abondoned.In Floyd' case it was waters,therefore a lot of people take Waters side out of sheer sympathy.I did so myself initially,until i found out that he had been a dick in the first place.But its obvious from Pink Floyd's post waters era that the band is simlpy not as good without him(Momentary Lapse Of Reason and The Division Bell were good efforts,but there was something missing in them IMO,or maybe it was just a subconcious thing).Just like Waters himself isnt as good without the other 3.(I was blown away by the The Wall's live album though).
A fan of the progressive Genesis or the commercial Genesis?
And hey..no one's mentioned The Doors or The Who!
Coming back to Freddie,yes,thats what i meant by his death generating a lot of attention..the media,the sexuality etc.But the argument about Hendrix's loss being a bigger loss can be twisted the other way too...with Freddie's death,music lost a fully grown,monstrous giant..and with Hendrix's loss,music lost a potentialy monstrous giant
.Im not a big Iron Maiden fan,but i dont really mind them.And Dickinson and a gentleman?
.With Pink Floyd,(and with a lot of other bands) its easy to side with the person who was abondoned.In Floyd' case it was waters,therefore a lot of people take Waters side out of sheer sympathy.I did so myself initially,until i found out that he had been a dick in the first place.But its obvious from Pink Floyd's post waters era that the band is simlpy not as good without him(Momentary Lapse Of Reason and The Division Bell were good efforts,but there was something missing in them IMO,or maybe it was just a subconcious thing).Just like Waters himself isnt as good without the other 3.(I was blown away by the The Wall's live album though).A fan of the progressive Genesis or the commercial Genesis?
And hey..no one's mentioned The Doors or The Who!
Yes, Waters was a dick and wanted too much. Again, see my post to Snoop, I'm not doubting his brilliance and of course stuff with him were better and the two albums after him don't even compair. But when you hear the Final Cut(last album with Waters) and then, Division Bell and Momentary Lapse Of Reason(albums without Waters), you'll be blown away. Those 2 albums are actually very good and completelly underrated just because lack of Waters. They're not Dark Side Of The Moon or The Wall but they sure as hell beat Final Cut. I won't comment on any Waters' post Floyd solo stuff but I doubt they're half as good as what Gilmour done with Floyd without him. And from what I see Waters is just exploiting Floyd stuff, even though he did wrote most of and is entitled to it, on his tours and concerts. He should just suck it up and say; "Dave, Nick and Rick, I was wrong, will you forgive me and take me back so we can make another proper album?"
The Doors, meh, I never liked Morrison that much. They were good but were too fixated on Morrison.
The Who released a lot of albums, some brilliant, some good and some other crap so I'm not devasted with their break-up. Of course I would have prefered if Moon didn't die and they released some other stuff but...there's a lot of Who to listen to anyway. Besides, all 3 remaining members released a new album 2,3 years ago which is pretty decent.
Mike Patton is one of the best rock vocalist in the last 20 years. Though they released some amazing albums(Angel Dust, The Real Thing) they really started declining with the last two albums. King For A Day...was still good but not nearly on par with the previous stuff and Album Of The Year was simply crap. Maybe they could have bounced back and released some better stuff but who knows, perhaps their break-up was a good thing.
Who mentioned Nirvana? Now that's a great example. Nirvana and GNR are the prime examples for me. Both brilliant and too short lived bands. Nevermind was one of the best rock albums ever and when you put up a live accoustic performance, like they did, on MTV's Unplugged, you really see they were a special band. In Utero was a great album as well, I don't like the pre-Nevermind stuff though, it sounded too raw. They really fell apart at their peak, they could have been one of the biggest bands.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Rage Against The Machine yet. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. The only band that could pull of Hard Rock and Rap. Tom Morello was a brilliant guitarist and De La Rocha was a brilliant lyrcist/frontman. Their debut album is one of the best ever, the follow up doesn't disapoint at all and the third one blows you away. They were really something and it's sad they broke up(much similar to GNR break-up).
Who mentioned Nirvana? Now that's a great example. Nirvana and GNR are the prime examples for me. Both brilliant and too short lived bands. Nevermind was one of the best rock albums ever and when you put up a live accoustic performance, like they did, on MTV's Unplugged, you really see they were a special band. In Utero was a great album as well, I don't like the pre-Nevermind stuff though, it sounded too raw. They really fell apart at their peak, they could have been one of the biggest bands.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Rage Against The Machine yet. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. The only band that could pull of Hard Rock and Rap. Tom Morello was a brilliant guitarist and De La Rocha was a brilliant lyrcist/frontman. Their debut album is one of the best ever, the follow up doesn't disapoint at all and the third one blows you away. They were really something and it's sad they broke up(much similar to GNR break-up).
If I had to pick just one, I'd pick Ace of Base. They were rumored to be back together but I guess it was just that, a rumor. 
Now if I could pick more I'd go with Nirvana, The Beatles and Destiny's Child if Beyonce could stop doing her own thing and bring the girls back.
@ Rab Take That is getting back together. Your dreams will come true
Now if I could pick more I'd go with Nirvana, The Beatles and Destiny's Child if Beyonce could stop doing her own thing and bring the girls back.
@ Rab Take That is getting back together. Your dreams will come true
Ive heard of Boston.I always confused them with Chicago though.Yes,ive only heard a handful of Hendrix's material..the best known material ie.Id try getting the Jimi Hendrix experience sometime.
Dave was an outstandingly talented songwriter.Gilmour on the other hand was an instrumentalist par excellence.They made a brilliant combination.A comparison between the live albums released by the Post-Waters Pink Floyd and the live version of The Wall should also be considered here.Gilmour was probably the more naturally gifted of the two,but the arrangments the on live version of The Wall are nothing short of phenomenal.Decliate Sound Of Thunder on the other hand was dissapointing.This could be down to the fact that Water worked his butt off to turn the album into a Live monster,whereas Delicate Sound Of Thunder was a regular live album,but if the two albums were to be compared,The Wall live not only beats Delicate Sound Of Thunder hands down,it counts as one of the greatest live albums ever IMO.I actually thought that the band might get together after the Live Aid reunion,but it wasnt to be.I Dont think they'd ever come back together as a band now.Something like that might be possible for Guns n Roses because they're a younger band,but not Pink Floyd.
I never bothered buying any of The Who's albums.I only have their greatest hits,and its fantastic.The Doors on the other hand,were pure class.When they say that Beatlemania in the UK was matched by The Doors in the US,its surely something.I agree that The Doors were in effect Jim Morrison.I dont think a lot of people other than die hard fans even know the names of the other members.
The Clash just came to my mind.Probably the greatest punk band ever.The Pistols were just antics and bad attitude IMO.Clash on the other hand had substance,and tons of it.
Dave was an outstandingly talented songwriter.Gilmour on the other hand was an instrumentalist par excellence.They made a brilliant combination.A comparison between the live albums released by the Post-Waters Pink Floyd and the live version of The Wall should also be considered here.Gilmour was probably the more naturally gifted of the two,but the arrangments the on live version of The Wall are nothing short of phenomenal.Decliate Sound Of Thunder on the other hand was dissapointing.This could be down to the fact that Water worked his butt off to turn the album into a Live monster,whereas Delicate Sound Of Thunder was a regular live album,but if the two albums were to be compared,The Wall live not only beats Delicate Sound Of Thunder hands down,it counts as one of the greatest live albums ever IMO.I actually thought that the band might get together after the Live Aid reunion,but it wasnt to be.I Dont think they'd ever come back together as a band now.Something like that might be possible for Guns n Roses because they're a younger band,but not Pink Floyd.
I never bothered buying any of The Who's albums.I only have their greatest hits,and its fantastic.The Doors on the other hand,were pure class.When they say that Beatlemania in the UK was matched by The Doors in the US,its surely something.I agree that The Doors were in effect Jim Morrison.I dont think a lot of people other than die hard fans even know the names of the other members.
The Clash just came to my mind.Probably the greatest punk band ever.The Pistols were just antics and bad attitude IMO.Clash on the other hand had substance,and tons of it.
