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I wont call what i did research..but ive read a lot about the subject.All the evidence,and the material related to Kurt's death..it points towards a Murder orchestrated by Courtney Love.
http://www.justiceforkurt.com/
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http://www.justiceforkurt.com/
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You my friend are full of it. Though I love Floyd with both Waters and Gilmour, Waters is in the end the one who killed Pink Floyd. And how can you call it FAKE when it features practically 3 out of 4 founding members? Let's forget Syd Barret for a second and his very short tenure with the band and you would end up with Wright, Mason, Gilmour and Waters as the founding members. With Waters gone, how exactly do you figure it's FAKE?
Have you ever heard The Final Cut album? That's practically like a solo Waters album and it's utter crap. Then listen to Momentary Lapse Of Reason and The Division Bell after Waters left. Waters was simply full of it, he even called the Final Cut album "A Post War Requiem Dream by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd" or something like that. Fuck that, he should went on and recorded a solo album instead of ruining the bands repertoair with that piece of shit. He sang all the songs on the album, written all of them and even fired a founding member in Wright. Waters killed Floyd and I'm not too sad about it because Gilmour and the rest of the original line-up brought the band back on track. 2 great albums after Waters and an exceptional Live DVD/CD. If they want to get back together with Waters, I'd be for it but calling it fake or anything is simply wrong. You can prefer Waters to Gilmour but Waters wanted out of the band, no one forced him out so please, don't disrespect Gilmour and the rest.
I'm really not into Kiss as well so I'll pass on the discussion here.
As for GNR you're completelly right. I have a soft spot for Axl as well but he's simply fucked up in the head, there's no other way of putting it. He was acting as if he was the heart and soul of the band and wanted everything done his way.
And what do you mean; "it took them over a decade to release new material after Izzy left"? Izzy left after the Use Your Illusion and they released Spaghetti Incident 3 years after that. After the Spaghetti(which isn't even a true album) the whole band fell apart and they haven't released anything official yet, Chinese Democracy still hasn't been finished or released. They haven't released anything this long because Axl is fucked up, not because Izzy left. And Slash was a much bigger loss than Izzy at the end.
Queen are amazing, Freddie is the best rock vocalist ever and that's the end of it. But I still haven't listened to Queen's full repertoair so I'm pleased as well with what they left behind. They really haven't "lost" it at any point in time, their last true album Innuendo is amazing and who knows with what else they would treated us in the future.
But you're way off by saying his death was more influental than Hendrix's or Lennon's. Both were at the end of the day much more influental to Rock history and it's beginnings than Freddie. Hendrix's style of playing directly influenced pretty much every band we so far mentioned, including Queen. Lennon is Lennon, the frontman of probably the biggest band ever, the band that started it all. Mercury was incredibly talented, he had charisma, he was controversial but he pretty much did what he set out to do in his career. Hendrix and Lennon didn't, especially Hendrix who died at the age of 27, only releasing a handfull of albums.
Have you ever heard The Final Cut album? That's practically like a solo Waters album and it's utter crap. Then listen to Momentary Lapse Of Reason and The Division Bell after Waters left. Waters was simply full of it, he even called the Final Cut album "A Post War Requiem Dream by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd" or something like that. Fuck that, he should went on and recorded a solo album instead of ruining the bands repertoair with that piece of shit. He sang all the songs on the album, written all of them and even fired a founding member in Wright. Waters killed Floyd and I'm not too sad about it because Gilmour and the rest of the original line-up brought the band back on track. 2 great albums after Waters and an exceptional Live DVD/CD. If they want to get back together with Waters, I'd be for it but calling it fake or anything is simply wrong. You can prefer Waters to Gilmour but Waters wanted out of the band, no one forced him out so please, don't disrespect Gilmour and the rest.
I'm really not into Kiss as well so I'll pass on the discussion here.
As for GNR you're completelly right. I have a soft spot for Axl as well but he's simply fucked up in the head, there's no other way of putting it. He was acting as if he was the heart and soul of the band and wanted everything done his way.
And what do you mean; "it took them over a decade to release new material after Izzy left"? Izzy left after the Use Your Illusion and they released Spaghetti Incident 3 years after that. After the Spaghetti(which isn't even a true album) the whole band fell apart and they haven't released anything official yet, Chinese Democracy still hasn't been finished or released. They haven't released anything this long because Axl is fucked up, not because Izzy left. And Slash was a much bigger loss than Izzy at the end.
Queen are amazing, Freddie is the best rock vocalist ever and that's the end of it. But I still haven't listened to Queen's full repertoair so I'm pleased as well with what they left behind. They really haven't "lost" it at any point in time, their last true album Innuendo is amazing and who knows with what else they would treated us in the future.
But you're way off by saying his death was more influental than Hendrix's or Lennon's. Both were at the end of the day much more influental to Rock history and it's beginnings than Freddie. Hendrix's style of playing directly influenced pretty much every band we so far mentioned, including Queen. Lennon is Lennon, the frontman of probably the biggest band ever, the band that started it all. Mercury was incredibly talented, he had charisma, he was controversial but he pretty much did what he set out to do in his career. Hendrix and Lennon didn't, especially Hendrix who died at the age of 27, only releasing a handfull of albums.
Ofcourse they havent released anything official since the Spaghetti incident.They did release one song called 'Oh My God' or something like that for an Arnold movie.I dont remember which year that was in,but it was probably around 1999.That was an official release.Some songs have been leaked on to the internet though..Silk Worms and Madagascar are two that come to mind.Both of them are from the yet to be released Chinse Democracy.I particularly like Madagascar.Silk Worms on the other hand is crap.Slash's depature definatley hurt the band more.He was afterall,the image of the band along with Axl.Izzy was always behind the scenes.Axl and Slash would generate all the headlines.Though had Izzy not left the band,maybe they would have gone on a little longer as the bridge between Axl and Slash would have existed.But thats all speculation.We cant really say what might have happened for sure.
Lennon was much more than a musician.He was a cultural icon.Im a big fan of The Beatles,but ive always felt that individualy,they were not the greatest musicians the world ever saw.Great musicians obviously,but not musicians that you can put in the same bracket as Page,Morrison etc.Im talking about pure music ability here.In terms of influence,they are obviously light years ahead of any other bunch of musicians.Im not a big fan of Hendrix,so that makes me underate him.For me,even the greatest guitarist ever is Page and not Hendrix,but anyway,coming back to the Lennon,Freddie and Hendrix question..I think Freddie died at an era,where his loss was felt at a much larger than scale than that of Hendrix and Lennon.He died after acheiving everything as you mentioned,and the industry lost a true monster,whereas in Hendrix's case,you lost a musician with loads of unfulfillfed potential,so the full scale of his influecen was something that the world would never know.
And btw,Waters was always the genius behind Pink Floyd.He was the mind behind the band.I agree with the fact that Waters screwed Pink Floyd over,but IMO,he was THE man who defined Pink Floyd's song writing.The whole of The Wall was virtually his own effort,and this was one of the reasons that caused a split in the band because Waters was taking too much creative control.Having said that,Gilmour was the band's soul.The band would never be the same without his phenomenal guitar work and his vocals(Yes,he's a GREAT vocalist!!!).It was a sad end to a truly legendary band.
Lennon was much more than a musician.He was a cultural icon.Im a big fan of The Beatles,but ive always felt that individualy,they were not the greatest musicians the world ever saw.Great musicians obviously,but not musicians that you can put in the same bracket as Page,Morrison etc.Im talking about pure music ability here.In terms of influence,they are obviously light years ahead of any other bunch of musicians.Im not a big fan of Hendrix,so that makes me underate him.For me,even the greatest guitarist ever is Page and not Hendrix,but anyway,coming back to the Lennon,Freddie and Hendrix question..I think Freddie died at an era,where his loss was felt at a much larger than scale than that of Hendrix and Lennon.He died after acheiving everything as you mentioned,and the industry lost a true monster,whereas in Hendrix's case,you lost a musician with loads of unfulfillfed potential,so the full scale of his influecen was something that the world would never know.
And btw,Waters was always the genius behind Pink Floyd.He was the mind behind the band.I agree with the fact that Waters screwed Pink Floyd over,but IMO,he was THE man who defined Pink Floyd's song writing.The whole of The Wall was virtually his own effort,and this was one of the reasons that caused a split in the band because Waters was taking too much creative control.Having said that,Gilmour was the band's soul.The band would never be the same without his phenomenal guitar work and his vocals(Yes,he's a GREAT vocalist!!!).It was a sad end to a truly legendary band.
If I had to pick just one, I'd pick Ace of Base. They were rumored to be back together but I guess it was just that, a rumor. 
Now if I could pick more I'd go with Nirvana, The Beatles and Destiny's Child if Beyonce could stop doing her own thing and bring the girls back.
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Now if I could pick more I'd go with Nirvana, The Beatles and Destiny's Child if Beyonce could stop doing her own thing and bring the girls back.
@ Rab Take That is getting back together. Your dreams will come true
Oh glad we got that resolved. I haven't listen to a single minute of any leaked Guns material, it's sort of a protest against Axl. But if the album sees the light of day, I'll probably give it a shot.
Hmm...it's strange that you would say Page is your all time favourite guitarist, mine too when I take in consideration everything, and I know you like Clapton as well. So not liking Hendrix doesn't fit the "profile". You should listen to some Hendrix, I wasn't a fan not too long ago either, but man, could he play. You need to experience it, there's no other way you can understand his impact on rock music and how much it lost when he died. Freddie's death simply didn't have such an impact because everyone knew him, knew what he did and what he could do. Hendrix died practically as soon as he hit his peak, I can only imagine what he would have recorded had he lived a few more years. And Mercury'd death got a lot more medie exposure because it was the 90's and he was gay and he died of AIDS, etc. Scandals, scandals, scandals whereas Hendrix died at the start of the 70's where his death was known only among rock musicians and fans.
Let me put it this way; Freddie had little or nothing left to show to RNR, he already done it all, Hendrix had a ton of things in front of him, a genius which we were stripped off too soon. Rock simply lost more with Hendrix then it did with Freddie.
I wasn't questioning Waters' creative influence, he's a genius, no doubt about it but it's his own decision and his musical direction he wanted to take that got him out of Floyd. That's what frustrates me with Waters fans, they think he was the core of the band when he simply wasn't. I don't know if you're much of a Maiden fan, but Steve Harris is (coincendantallly) the bassist and main songwriter(wrote probably 90% of the songs) of the band whereas everyone knows the band is not half as good without the gentleman in my avatar. It's the same with Waters and Gilmour, neither was more important, songwriting is no less important than singing those songs or playing some of the most amazing guitar solos on them. And in the end Gilmour, with the rest of the band, recorded some great stuff without Waters so..just don't call it fake Pink Floyd and that will be enough.
Hmm...it's strange that you would say Page is your all time favourite guitarist, mine too when I take in consideration everything, and I know you like Clapton as well. So not liking Hendrix doesn't fit the "profile". You should listen to some Hendrix, I wasn't a fan not too long ago either, but man, could he play. You need to experience it, there's no other way you can understand his impact on rock music and how much it lost when he died. Freddie's death simply didn't have such an impact because everyone knew him, knew what he did and what he could do. Hendrix died practically as soon as he hit his peak, I can only imagine what he would have recorded had he lived a few more years. And Mercury'd death got a lot more medie exposure because it was the 90's and he was gay and he died of AIDS, etc. Scandals, scandals, scandals whereas Hendrix died at the start of the 70's where his death was known only among rock musicians and fans.
Let me put it this way; Freddie had little or nothing left to show to RNR, he already done it all, Hendrix had a ton of things in front of him, a genius which we were stripped off too soon. Rock simply lost more with Hendrix then it did with Freddie.
I wasn't questioning Waters' creative influence, he's a genius, no doubt about it but it's his own decision and his musical direction he wanted to take that got him out of Floyd. That's what frustrates me with Waters fans, they think he was the core of the band when he simply wasn't. I don't know if you're much of a Maiden fan, but Steve Harris is (coincendantallly) the bassist and main songwriter(wrote probably 90% of the songs) of the band whereas everyone knows the band is not half as good without the gentleman in my avatar. It's the same with Waters and Gilmour, neither was more important, songwriting is no less important than singing those songs or playing some of the most amazing guitar solos on them. And in the end Gilmour, with the rest of the band, recorded some great stuff without Waters so..just don't call it fake Pink Floyd and that will be enough.