if the USSR and communism had not collapsed.. (4 Viewers)

Oct 3, 2004
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#42
Nakhchevan Autonomous Republic....not Karabagh..just correcting my post about the country that pops up on the Turkish border from Armenia, that is Azeri territory.....weird....
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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#43
Rhizoid said:
One great significance of the USSR was the cultural influence it had on the various republics. I always wondered – had it not been for the rise of the Soviets, would former SSR’s such as the Central Asia countries (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan etc) all be using Cyrillic alphabets for their countries? Historically their native languages (mainly Turkic with some Persian) had their own unique dialects, alphabets and grammar. The Cyrillic alphabet IMO, changed everything as that alphabet itself was created for Slavic languages.



Other strange occurrences are territorial disputes. Ever seen a map of Azerbaijan? First you have the country, then you see Armenia, then you go a little south I think, and a circle called Karabagh pops up under the name Azerbaijan! Lol
- Azeri's got rid of Cyrillic and came back to the Latin alphabet again (first time since 1918)

- and hell yeah they're happy to be themselves again, after 71 years of slavery :)
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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#44
Rhizoid said:
Nakhchevan Autonomous Republic....not Karabagh..just correcting my post about the country that pops up on the Turkish border from Armenia, that is Azeri territory.....weird....
It's a part of Azerbaijan Republic, which has some autonomy (as they're a lil' seperated from the rest of the country), they have they're own parlament and prime minister... Think of it like Hawaii of US, except that they're the very same people, just a bit away from the rest of the country.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
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#46
Juventico said:
Militarily... :)pumpkin: ) Things are just plain worse than 10 or 15 years back. Apparently to try and just get some money in their hands a certain former superpower did a Juventus-like garage sale, and thus russian made machineguns, tanks, jets and other lots of bang-bang-kill-kill thingies ended up in the wrong hands, giving countries with less-than-benevolent leaders a shot to kill anyone that isn't his friend. Of course, the guys that disagree with him and have some money can arm themselves too, so we have a violent world overflooded with weapons. Sadly though, instead of killing each other, those weapon-crazy sickos decide to kill each others' civilians. Resulting in terrorists on one side, and state-terror on the other.
In terms of weapons specifically, I don't really believe that it has made things all that much different. You could say that the split of the USSR has created a power vacuum in many regions that is sought to be filled by those who are capable of it, however arms trade is a highly lucrative business that western powers are all too happy to profit from. The USSR may have sold lots of their weapons, but European countries sell arms to just about anyone themselves. For instance, how does Hezbollah operate with Syrian backing (probably military backing), well I can only imagine that those missiles were manufactured in Europe or the US or somewhere else, sold to Syria, who supply Hezbollah. And if I'm a little off in this particular case as to what exactly the chain is, this is how it works.

Point is if you want arms, you can buy them regardless.
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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#47
Martin said:
In terms of weapons specifically, I don't really believe that it has made things all that much different. You could say that the split of the USSR has created a power vacuum in many regions that is sought to be filled by those who are capable of it, however arms trade is a highly lucrative business that western powers are all too happy to profit from. The USSR may have sold lots of their weapons, but European countries sell arms to just about anyone themselves. For instance, how does Hezbollah operate with Syrian backing (probably military backing), well I can only imagine that those missiles were manufactured in Europe or the US or somewhere else, sold to Syria, who supply Hezbollah. And if I'm a little off in this particular case as to what exactly the chain is, this is how it works.

Point is if you want arms, you can buy them regardless.

My personal favourite is when the US and Britain invaded Iraq and got shot at by American, Dutch, German and French weapons. Gorgeous stuff. Especially since any weapons produced in Western nations are highly advanced and the countries in question make sure they sell cheap rip-offs to third world regions. Just in case they wanna invade some time.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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#48
Erik-with-a-k said:
My personal favourite is when the US and Britain invaded Iraq and got shot at by American, Dutch, German and French weapons. Gorgeous stuff. Especially since any weapons produced in Western nations are highly advanced and the countries in question make sure they sell cheap rip-offs to third world regions. Just in case they wanna invade some time.
That's totally right...

I heard that the F-16 plane which is gifted to Israel has very different characteristics from the same plane which is sold to Saudi Arabia...

I don't blame the US authorities though because they know that those planes which are loaded to Israel are the ones which will be used while those which are bought by Arab countries are bought just to feed Mr. Rust...
 

Muha

The Head Physio
Feb 25, 2004
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#50
ReBeL said:
That's totally right...

I heard that the F-16 plane which is gifted to Israel has very different characteristics from the same plane which is sold to Saudi Arabia...

I don't blame the US authorities though because they know that those planes which are loaded to Israel are the ones which will be used while those which are bought by Arab countries are bought just to feed Mr. Rust...
so true.. (although the saudis might say '' we arm because we're afraid of Iran !!! "
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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#51
ReBeL said:
That's totally right...

I heard that the F-16 plane which is gifted to Israel has very different characteristics from the same plane which is sold to Saudi Arabia...

I don't blame the US authorities though because they know that those planes which are loaded to Israel are the ones which will be used while those which are bought by Arab countries are bought just to feed Mr. Rust...

its true but itsnot the f-16, the usa gives saudi arabia the f-15 S (s= saudi version) where as isreal has the f-15 I. they look the same but they r different, the f-15 I is very offensive where's the saudi version is defenisve with a shorter range. another comparison is eygpt.
the f-16s eygpt have are defensive ( carry certain types of air ro air missles where as the isreal versionis highly equiped with much better radars and air to air artillery.

the reason for this difference is to maintain a tactical balance which in reality is isreal superiority in the region. this in my opinion is the result of the ussr breaking down. now most the arab countries apart from syria and libya get there military equipment from the usa and therefore they dont get a variety of equally balanced weapons. for example in the 6 year war between eygpt and isreal. the eygptain army that was brought to crumbles in 1967 was fully built and re-armed with soviet weapons and with isreal always getting highly advanced weapons from usa the soviets always closed down the gap between us. ( ther is no doubt the soviet weapon is effective but not as accurate or moderniszed as the us military equipment even back in those days.) so the region that lost aot from the break up of the soviet union are the arabs them selves.
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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#52
lets not forget the u.s.s.r had there own goals in the middle east cos of its stratgic importance adn due to the sources this region is bless with like the srongest weapon which is oil. so i would't really go runing and say the u.s.s.r loved arabs for the sake of it no thats not true there were benefits for them too and thats why they helped the region alot. now with one super power things are looking very crazy. its true no more nucluer weapon face offs but its not any peaceful is it.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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#53
Rhizoid said:
But Naxcivan is originally an Armenian word. I think it means descendant's town or something.
Nakhichevan DOES belong to Armenia, no matter how much they try to change it's original name.
 

Omair

Herticity
Sep 27, 2006
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#54
In conclusion of what you guys are saying, (rebel and bisco) it's obviously we need another superpower in the world to stand in front of the US .. not necessarily Russia ...
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
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#55
Omair said:
In conclusion of what you guys are saying, (rebel and bisco) it's obviously we need another superpower in the world to stand in front of the US .. not necessarily Russia ...
yeah, i am guessing its china or the eu who r going closer to becoming a super power.
 

Omair

Herticity
Sep 27, 2006
3,254
#57
EU may be a great power but they won't lock horns with the US. They are allies. The EU countries have much interests that the US will make alot easier to get. So, despise they may not like the US politics, they will mostly agree on whatever the US do.
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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#58
Omair said:
EU may be a great power but they won't lock horns with the US. They are allies. The EU countries have much interests that the US will make alot easier to get. So, despise they may not like the US politics, they will mostly agree on whatever the US do.
That's not true, the EU is kicking American butt in the courts of the World Trade Organisation. The reason: because economics is the only field the EU has actually unified in.

There will be no political or juridical union any time soon, so there will be no European superstate or superpower in the foreseeable future either.
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
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#59
Omair said:
EU may be a great power but they won't lock horns with the US. They are allies. The EU countries have much interests that the US will make alot easier to get. So, despise they may not like the US politics, they will mostly agree on whatever the US do.

yeah i guess u and erik are right although i think that germany, france, and britian have influences but at the end of the day we all saw how it ended when they tried to stop the us from invading iraq they did it any way.
 

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