Ibra out in Juve revolution (9 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

To be honest, that's a very average looking midfield there. Vieira, who has been poor most of the season. Why Vieira anyway, when Emerson is much better?Carrick? Has shown some nice moves this, but too unproven for such a vitale midfield role. Sneijder?? The guy's quality is that he is two-footed, that's about it. He's way overrated, due to scoring a couple of screamers in the past. He isn't anything special though, physically very weak, his passing is sloppy and besides that he's really a whiney character. Mr. Gol will confirm that Sneijder isn't anything special (hopefully..). Your midfield would be anything but an improvement over our current midfield. Camoranesi, Emerson, Nedved etc. over Vieira, Sneijder and Carrick - Hell yeah!

I do not agree with watching Carrick, and remember that Michael is only 24 years old and Sneijder is younger than that, so we are essentially building for the future, something this clubs needs to do here. I'm sick of buying players who are in their primes and not taking a look at the younger stars lighting up Europe. We bought Zidane before he was in his prime and nurtured his career...and with the talent I see Carrick posess he could turn into one of the best midfielders in Europe in a few years.

And judging by the performances of Nedved, Vieira, and Camoranesi this season, I don't think it's anything but an improvement. As I said its a midfield for the future and considering we still have Emerson at our disposal we could play him instead of Sneijder or Carrick. Whenever I have watched Sneijder he has impressed me, but I doubt we will be getting him anyway.

Whatever happened to the Juventus that creates some of the best players in the world? We need to in someways revert back to the Lippi era and take a chance on a few young starlets.

 

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[Stephan]

To be honest, that's a very average looking midfield there. Vieira, who has been poor most of the season. Why Vieira anyway, when Emerson is much better?Carrick? Has shown some nice moves this, but too unproven for such a vitale midfield role. Sneijder?? The guy's quality is that he is two-footed, that's about it. He's way overrated, due to scoring a couple of screamers in the past. He isn't anything special though, physically very weak, his passing is sloppy and besides that he's really a whiney character. Mr. Gol will confirm that Sneijder isn't anything special (hopefully..). Your midfield would be anything but an improvement over our current midfield. Camoranesi, Emerson, Nedved etc. over Vieira, Sneijder and Carrick - Hell yeah!

we need to look to future and sneijder is still very young, so he should improve with the years, his defenetly one of holland future prospects. Besides zlatan hates him and that would help zlatan departure from juve

also about improvement: well some players are irreplaceable but you got to understand nedved, emerson and camo are all getting old. Personally watching some of those lineups what have been written here by the fans i think nedved shouldnt be a starting player anymore, sure his still good and we saw that he was one of the only players who actually had that desire in CL games, but his not a player who you can rely on NOW, dont get me wrong i support him but, he has injure problems, and his gona be 34 years old in the summer, and he has changed a bit, i mean his diver, could earn a red and we dont need to use mutu in his position, but a natural midfielder instead.

About emerson, well his sometimes just too slow, watch him in europe and you see what i mean, when he looses the ball he just cant catch the opponent and his not fast when going forward.

Camoranesi seems to have lot of problems with capello this season, not starting often, getting subs, biased subs also, there defenetly is something between him and capello. last season he was called as one of the moust consistant players by fans, this season his changed, and his like 29 if i am right.

Problem is that one day we will have too many players retireng, so we need younger players in midfield moustly, we dont need strikers actually, get a good backup, sell ibra and buy midfielders, because they are getting old, also improve defens with players like gallas.

 

[Sadomin]

That formation is what I more or less expect to see next season. It looks formidable, but it might lack some depth in midfield. Nedved ,though nowadays usually off-form, gives our midfield another dimension. I'm not sure Joaquin and/or Marchionni would be able to give us that, as they're both basically just 'touchline-runners'.

That is a good point. I think playing Joaquín on the left could give us that kind of dimension, though he could just as likely develop into a typical left winger. Question is, what options do we have? Palacio, Rosicky? They can flop just as much as they can be brilliant.

 

[Matteo..]

What are you talking about? What a way to discribe a human-being.
As far as I am concern, a fair amout of critisism is acceptable, as is a juicey bit of humour and gentle insult, but this should be scrapped from the forum. Basta!

How would you call someone who gets into brawls with basically anyone, beats up people for no reason and insults whenever given the chance?

That's right, you'd call him scum.

 

[Bjerknes]

I dont care if he stays or not, as long as they strip no. 7 off his shirt.. He just doesnt deserve it anymore....

You're disgusting. After all he has given to Juventus all you can say about him is that he's crap?

 

[Muha]

I wont bother replying to you ...

 

[Muha]

actually i will bother.....

In your quote, i didnt even mention the word Crap... what i said is that Pessotto doesnt deserve no. 7 anymore.... No. 7 should be worn by a regular and a more influenceal player... Pessotto isnt regular nor influenceal....

And werent you one of those who kept critisising Del piero last season because of his poor form... and you even called for his departure, forgetting all of his achievements with Juve.....wasnt it you who said that??!!.... Pessotto is no difference... when a player is not playing well, then its fans' buisness to call him whatever they want...

 

[Morra10]

I think Capelo will be going to real and I also think Vieira wants to go and play back in Highbury. Mutu is a great fit for the team down he right wing, and I hope he stays their. Ibra is gone hopefully because we doesnt want it anymore, we need guys that really want to win the Scudetto and he doesn't care about it. I would like to see more young italian players come into the mix next year. I want to see guys like Balzaretti and chiellini play more to build our team for the future and also win championships at the same time.

 

[Stephan]

why should vieira go back to arsenal? as it seems, arsenal dont need him anyway.

 

[Stu]

Vieira must feel like an idiot. 'I'm leaving Arsenal so that I can win the CL.' Now Arsenal are in the CL final.

 

[Stu]

TBH, I'm not sure of playing Joaquin there, he's kinda slow for a player in his position, you really do need fast legs. Anyhow not a bad formation at all...Defenders...Solid and thats what I've been asking for...(Oddo,Gallas/Chivu). Midfielders...Also solid but not sure of having Carrick instead of Emerson, though Carrick is having fantastic season and no one can deny that. As I said not a bad formation at all, looks pretty solid and attacking one.

Though mine would look like this....

- - - - - - - - - Buffon- - - - - - - - - -

Oddo - Gallas - Cannavaro - Zambrotta

- - - - - - - - - Emerson- - - - - - - - - - -

Marchionni- - - - - - - - - - - Rossi

- - - - - - - - - Rosicky- - - - - - - - - -

- - - - - -Trezegut - Del Piero



Rossi..from Roma, that players is fabolous, you can put him in any position in midfield and he can just play. Player that suits the likes of Juve{Runs alot, can attack and defend in the same time, and can combine well with the likes of Ale...thats atleast what we saw with the Azzurri recently}

Rosicky..Playmaker like Rosicky with his deadly passing and good shooting not to forget how much he can help and make Dp's and Trezg's job easier.

I normally agree with you but how can you say that Joaquin is slow? Last time I checked he was quick as hell, with and without the ball at his feet.

Nice formation but we're not gonna get De Rossi. Roma would be crazy to sell him and he's a true Giallorosso. I see him as the Roma captain when Totti leaves the club.

 

[baggio]

Vieira must feel like an idiot. 'I'm leaving Arsenal so that I can win the CL.' Now Arsenal are in the CL final.

C'est la vie.

 

[swag]

As I see it, removing the No. 7 from Pessotto just because he's past his prime undermines any club loyalty to the black & white stripes. This just plays into what Paul so nicely put today about the difference between the glory hunter and the true supporter who believes in the history and traditions of the club.

Some Johnny Come Lately signs with the club and earns fan's undying gratitude and loyalty because they put in a good season. Meanwhile, players who have held the club together and have seen it through a number of seasons of success are overlooked and, in some cases, pissed on because they have a patch of poor form or perhaps don't live up to their former glory in their late careers.

Until a player puts in his dues and knocks at a club, players like Zlatan and Vieira will be mercenaries in Juve stripes. Meanwhile, players like Pessotto, Del Piero, Zambro, etc., deserve more respect for what they've done for the club over the years -- taking knocks, riding with the clubs ups and downs, etc. They have outlived any Capello episode, etc., and can hope to live up to the traditions set by class acts like Ciro Ferrara and his ilk.

For example, I love Canna and all. But he's still just a tourist with a brief Juve port of call in my book yet.

Forza grande Juve!

 

[Martin]

Vieira must feel like an idiot. 'I'm leaving Arsenal so that I can win the CL.' Now Arsenal are in the CL final.

nono, there were never any WMDs, I mean Vieira never said he wanted the CL, he always maintained what a grand prize Serie A would be.

Unlike erm... what he could achieve at say... Milan. In 1995. :redface:

 

[bianconero]

How would you call someone who gets into brawls with basically anyone, beats up people for no reason and insults whenever given the chance?

That's right, you'd call him scum.

"You," my little one, might use that base language, but I would not. He may, or may not have some social behavioural issues, but I fear you should be mindful of just what "you" say.

 

[bianconero]

I wont bother replying to you ...

Ah, if only nobody had bothered in the first place...

He has been a reliable player and true Juventus servant these many years. Not overrated but knowing his place and value in the side, as we, who are true fans, have enjoyed.
DP of the lovely eyes, on the other hand, has often been over exaulted and, in my humble opinion, held his place in our formation purely on aduration and reputation for many matches, therefore it has been fairer to pass comment on how he is playing, and may I suggest not a sign of disloyalty in wanted to improve the team with new talent, and if that had meant letting him move on (although I believe him valuable as a squad member) in order to do so, fair play.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

I don't know why people insist of selling Ibrahimovic - just because he did not score in a few games. The guy is probably the most promising forward now, and we need to keep him until age of 27-28 and he will for sure brought us by then many Scudetto's and personal titles as well.
The way I see it - Trezeguet was long enough in our squad. From the French forwards TRIO we got - Trezeguet - Henry - Wiltord, we left the worst one - he is not playing for FRANCE neither. Trezeguet was never a glorious Juventino, he never brought us nothing - even useless than Pipo(and we sold PIPO), so why keep him?
And please do not put him in you starting Line-ups. Ibrahimovic is at least two times better because he is young and he is good. And just one more thing - HE IS A PLAYING NATIONAL.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

I don't know why people insist on selling Ibrahimovic - just because he did not score in a few games. The guy is probably the most promising forward now, and we need to keep him until age of 27-28 and he will for sure brought us by then many Scudetto's and personal titles as well.
The way I see it - Trezeguet was long enough in our squad. From the French forwards TRIO we got - Trezeguet - Henry - Wiltord, we left the worst one - he is not playing for FRANCE neither. Trezeguet was never a glorious Juventino, he never brought us nothing - even useless than Pipo(and we sold PIPO), so why keep him?
And please do not put him in you starting Line-ups. Ibrahimovic is at least two times better because he is young and he is good. And just one more thing - HE IS A PLAYING NATIONAL.

 

[#10]

Trezegeut can finish. He is something ALL teams need and thats a natural goal poacher. Zlatan on the other hand cant finish....which is worrying for someone who is paid to score goals.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

I would concentrate on CREATING attacks first and then finishing them, and while trezeguet is scared with the ball and can ONLY finish( and that is not a good explanation why he is BENCHED for france, which most of the time desperately need the players of this kind). Do not forget that Henry was famous for dribbling first and then he obtained his deadly finish - the same as with all great dribblers.
I would prefer to see 5 wide shots and one beautiful goal than another a-la-Pipo forward in our squad. And that is what Trezegoal actually IS. Can you tell me why is he so vital to the squad if we were not getting FAT insurances for his neverending injuries. Sometimes when Juve are playing I am wondering if he is benched or injured and I say - oh I hope he is just benched and recovering and then they put him into play and I pray he got INJURED.
Bottom Line is - we cannot afford a player like trezeguet if we want to be as stable in defence as we were and to put pressure in attack/midfield.