thats why i hate buying of the website, i usually buy my Juve shirts on Ebay, and my newest shirt was bought in italy at one of the Juve Stores my parents were on vacations and got me a Del Piero Jersey!!
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How does it feel like to be a Non-Italian Juventus fan? (7 Viewers)
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well, the shirts ive bought seem authentic to me, besides, ive gotten old shirts that i cant find anywhere else like a 96 Del Piero Shirt with the sony sponsor, u know when its fake when they ship it from malaysia or somewhere like that, i know that for a factm but still ive bought very good original shirts, maybe used but still original. and besides its so hard to get a Juve shirt here in Guatemala u dont even know.
And buying a shirt from ebay isnt gonna make me less of a fan.
And buying a shirt from ebay isnt gonna make me less of a fan.
Nah man, I can imagine how difficult it is finding Juve shirts in Guatemala. But the fact of the matter is many of the shit on Ebay is fake and you take a chance when you buy something. And if you do buy something from Ebay and it's fake and wear it, you're doing the club an injustice. I cannot stand fake merhandise and the one time I purchased a fake item I promply threw it away. I cannot walk around wearing a fake if I want to be a "real supporter."
Nah man, I don't believe that. But I do believe that if you try to buy shit on Ebay you have the money to buy a real jersey. But if that's not the case, your purchases do not have bearing over whether you are a real Juve fan or not. That comes from the heart. I haven't had the money to visit Turin as of yet, so I understand people full well.
Really good thread Snoop, I'm with you all the way.
I can't believe separations like this are being made, those who know Italian are true fans those that don't are lesser fans. That's nonsense, surely those that live in downtown Torino or in some parts of Italy are lets say bigger fans than us outside the country, or the continent for that matter, because they are surounded by Juve on every corner whereas people outside the country have to "struggle" to get a hold of information. That surely doesn't mean things shouldn't be made easier and more accessible to us "lesser" fans.
We're closely reaching a time where the internet has become what a TV set first was decades ago and it's pretty obvious our management is still struggling to get a hold of that reality. What the reason for that is unknown to me, whether it's laziness or simply a very poor media relations team that works for our club. It's like they're still trapped in the 20th century and are barely even trying to get out. Internet is the media of today and it's only getting bigger, I seriously hope we jump on that bandwagon soon enough. Having a multi-language website filled with content is EASY, there's nothing hard about it and there are simply no excuses for the website that we have now. There are firms and businesses so small and they have daily updated sites on multiple languages, we're talking about firms who's annual revenue equal one months pay of Ruben Olivera. Having a proper FREE official website would require perhaps one extra employee in Juventus that would just translate things properly from Italian on a daily basis.
Juventus Membership is a whole different thing where you pay for something, it's natural you expect something good from it. For now I'm extremelly disapointed with that project, if it wasn't only in the beginnings and if I wasn't doing something good for the club I love, I would ask for my money back. 36 or 12 Euro is not much for an individual but multiplied by a million, it's not a small fee anymore, is it? To have a proper website for that kind of money should seriously be a must. Juventus is an Italian club, the pride of Italy and it always will be but it is also a Global INTERNATIONAL brand and English is the international language. Our management better start behaving like that or in the near future Juventus certainly won't be gaining much more new international supporters, who's money at the end of the day is worth just as much as an Italian fan's money.
Being a fan is a matter of choice, no one's forcing anyone to support some club, people by their own free will buy tickets, shirts and other merchandise and we expect something in return. If I have to learn Italian to be able to properly support Juventus than it's not really much of a choice anymore is it? I might as well support some EPL club. Supporters are privelage and they need to be taken care of because without us, Italians or not, Juventus would not exist. Supporters are and always were just as important as the club.
I can't believe separations like this are being made, those who know Italian are true fans those that don't are lesser fans. That's nonsense, surely those that live in downtown Torino or in some parts of Italy are lets say bigger fans than us outside the country, or the continent for that matter, because they are surounded by Juve on every corner whereas people outside the country have to "struggle" to get a hold of information. That surely doesn't mean things shouldn't be made easier and more accessible to us "lesser" fans.
We're closely reaching a time where the internet has become what a TV set first was decades ago and it's pretty obvious our management is still struggling to get a hold of that reality. What the reason for that is unknown to me, whether it's laziness or simply a very poor media relations team that works for our club. It's like they're still trapped in the 20th century and are barely even trying to get out. Internet is the media of today and it's only getting bigger, I seriously hope we jump on that bandwagon soon enough. Having a multi-language website filled with content is EASY, there's nothing hard about it and there are simply no excuses for the website that we have now. There are firms and businesses so small and they have daily updated sites on multiple languages, we're talking about firms who's annual revenue equal one months pay of Ruben Olivera. Having a proper FREE official website would require perhaps one extra employee in Juventus that would just translate things properly from Italian on a daily basis.
Juventus Membership is a whole different thing where you pay for something, it's natural you expect something good from it. For now I'm extremelly disapointed with that project, if it wasn't only in the beginnings and if I wasn't doing something good for the club I love, I would ask for my money back. 36 or 12 Euro is not much for an individual but multiplied by a million, it's not a small fee anymore, is it? To have a proper website for that kind of money should seriously be a must. Juventus is an Italian club, the pride of Italy and it always will be but it is also a Global INTERNATIONAL brand and English is the international language. Our management better start behaving like that or in the near future Juventus certainly won't be gaining much more new international supporters, who's money at the end of the day is worth just as much as an Italian fan's money.
Being a fan is a matter of choice, no one's forcing anyone to support some club, people by their own free will buy tickets, shirts and other merchandise and we expect something in return. If I have to learn Italian to be able to properly support Juventus than it's not really much of a choice anymore is it? I might as well support some EPL club. Supporters are privelage and they need to be taken care of because without us, Italians or not, Juventus would not exist. Supporters are and always were just as important as the club.
For the record, Andy is right. eBay is loaded with complete fakes. Pretty much 99.5% of the stuff on eBay is some knock-off made with cheap fabric and some unlicensed hack in Thailand who doesn't give a penny back to the club. You will know, because you'll be able to buy a jersey at a list price under 40 Euros.
Not making any judgments about what you can afford to be a fan. We all have that choice to make. But you should know what you're getting into.
Not making any judgments about what you can afford to be a fan. We all have that choice to make. But you should know what you're getting into.
I agree with everything you said before, but that's not so much about being a fan as about Juventus selling themselves. I agree they could be better at it, but to me that doesn't even reflect to true Juventus fans.
It's just so much easier to understand the whole concept of Juventus when you're able to comprehend a bit of Italian. Surely, Italian isn't one of the hardest languages in the world and you'll get the basics? Hell, even Andy gets the basics and he's a native English speaker FFS. I can assure you that, in general, it's very difficult for native English speakers to learn other languages for a variety of reasons.
It's just so much easier to understand the whole concept of Juventus when you're able to comprehend a bit of Italian. Surely, Italian isn't one of the hardest languages in the world and you'll get the basics? Hell, even Andy gets the basics and he's a native English speaker FFS. I can assure you that, in general, it's very difficult for native English speakers to learn other languages for a variety of reasons.
It is true I am being lazy for not going to learn more Italian or to translate these articles through web translaters etc. etc.
But that is not my point. My point is Juventus has loads of Juve fans worldwide that are ready to spend loads of cash for Juve, and they deserve a good service in back.
I am not complaining why I don't understand Juve society, why they don't recognize me or pay me back something for my support, or why I am not one of them.
No, I want the to give a toss about us, to do something to translate these web pages and publish them after 10 minutes or an hour, and not two days.. Andries, we have different personality, everyone doesn't think the same way. I never wanted to be hardcore Juve fan, and I don't have intention to be one. Fanaticism, being blind hardcore fan aren't available in my book. I love this club, and I would pay 30 euros or whatever it is to have the same service everyone would have to understand the Players Directors, what they say and what they think about the game etc etc. I don't want more than that. Call me lazy, but I don't like to go deeper than that. This is only entertainment for me, that really entertains me to the maximum, and not anything else than that!
Exactly! I will not stop supporting this club because of their bad managements or their bad relationship with their fans. I will support it till the end, the dirty work by the managers, the ugly war among the clubs and all and their politics doesn't really concern me. Like you said, Supporting the club in the bad and good times is what really matters, whatever information we collect about Juve doesn't make us any more fan by that way.
That's probably true though even if you do speak Italian fluently, you're still gonna be behind in understanding that concept compaired to those that live in Italy. Understanding Italian will just open the door to more information on the club, to fully understand that concept you speak of I think you simply must live in Italy or at least spend some considerable time there.
That extreme charge for shipping is not exactly Juventus' fault but the courier's. They use DHL and I know for a fact they are ridiculously expensive in their shipments. My firm gets some documents few times per year from Scotland, we're talking about 2,3 A4 pieces of paper here, and it costs close to 25 Euro's. That's outrageous but I guess it's the cost for getting the shipment really, really fast. It is however Juventus' fault for working them, it wouldn't exactly kill them to let you choose how you want your shipment to be sent, air mail(3-5 days) or regular mail(2-3 weeks).
That extreme charge for shipping is not exactly Juventus' fault but the courier's. They use DHL and I know for a fact they are ridiculously expensive in their shipments. My firm gets some documents few times per year from Scotland, we're talking about 2,3 A4 pieces of paper here, and it costs close to 25 Euro's. That's outrageous but I guess it's the cost for getting the shipment really, really fast. It is however Juventus' fault for working them, it wouldn't exactly kill them to let you choose how you want your shipment to be sent, air mail(3-5 days) or regular mail(2-3 weeks).
my points exactly.
I always believed Pado is one of the best (If not the best) fan in this Forum. He is here for fun, and not to show off he knows everything about Juve. But when it comes to that, he knows it best. Holding a season ticket for years and buying merchants after others is one of the true signs of being a true fan..
about the Ultras, yeah I know they go every match and all, but no I wouldn't respect those uneducated idiots if their behaviors are like that against the "less" Juve fans. and for me, Pado or any ticket holder who sits in the middle of the stad is a better fan than them, who rarely makes troubles or harm the club or boo some "Players" which harms the club in the end.
We might disagree here Andy, But a true fan is not the fan that stands behind the goals and beat the shit of everyone and make troubles when the match ends or the team loses.
That's true, but buying "pirate" 's work, or rights stolen work of a copyrighted item is unethical and non-loyalty against your beloved club. Rich or poor shouldn't do that!
I always believed Pado is one of the best (If not the best) fan in this Forum. He is here for fun, and not to show off he knows everything about Juve. But when it comes to that, he knows it best. Holding a season ticket for years and buying merchants after others is one of the true signs of being a true fan..
about the Ultras, yeah I know they go every match and all, but no I wouldn't respect those uneducated idiots if their behaviors are like that against the "less" Juve fans. and for me, Pado or any ticket holder who sits in the middle of the stad is a better fan than them, who rarely makes troubles or harm the club or boo some "Players" which harms the club in the end.
We might disagree here Andy, But a true fan is not the fan that stands behind the goals and beat the shit of everyone and make troubles when the match ends or the team loses.
That's true, but buying "pirate" 's work, or rights stolen work of a copyrighted item is unethical and non-loyalty against your beloved club. Rich or poor shouldn't do that!
Well not all Drughi fans are like that Andy. The first time I went to Torino and saw Juve I actually meet some Drughi. Back then I had no idea about what kind of fans they where but they were actually quite nice to me. I was just a young guy who had saved up his money to go see his favorite team for the first time. I only spoke with one of them because he was the only one who understod English, but I remember them as nice guys who were friendly against me. Although we didn't become best friends or anything like that it did seem like they respected that I had done so much to come and watch Juve, so although some of the hardcore fans might not like fans like us, I think many of them respect what we do to follow and support Juve. But then again maybe I looked like such a happy idiot that day that they just felt sorry for me 