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[Zacheryah]

Dont go below 10 reps, dont bounce, and dont lose form.

Should work

Oh and dont use a lifting belt. Those are there only to increase abdominal pressure.

The guys who says "it protects the back", mistake it for a corset.

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....and those who are using it the entire training, are using it as a corset to hide the belly


Wich is funny, because when you put on a lifting belt tight enough, it will not look good

 

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[IliveForJuve]

Dont go below 10 reps, dont bounce, and dont lose form.

Should work

Oh and dont use a lifting belt. Those are there only to increase abdominal pressure.

The guys who says "it protects the back", mistake it for a corset.

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....and those who are using it the entire training, are using it as a corset to hide the belly


Wich is funny, because when you put on a lifting belt tight enough, it will not look good

Although, I'll never deadlift again.

So, what's your take on full body workouts?

 

[Seven]

Although, I'll never deadlift again.

So, what's your take on full body workouts?

Good for you, seriously. People are always pressured into deadlifts and squats because they build so much mass. And they do. They work. But if you're not comfortable with an exercise, there comes a point where you should just let it go.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Good for you, seriously. People are always pressured into deadlifts and squats because they build so much mass. And they do. They work. But if you're not comfortable with an exercise, there comes a point where you should just let it go.

I know, man. My friends would say I'm a pussy for not doing deadlifts and squats but I would just fart in the gym to get my revenge. I actually stopped going to the gym a few months ago and I'm doing calisthenics. And well, I don't wanna be huge like Zach so it's perfect for me. I love the fact that calisthenics gives you much more functional strength and that you can be a show off.

 

[Enron]

Ok, I'll just stick with deadlifts for now then I guess. Shoots up??

Not really a fan of it either, but I'm noticing my breathing is getting better so I'm going to keep doing it

HIIT is good for cardio and it's generally short enough (8 to 20 minutes) that you can do a bit and then recover enough to do strength training the same day. Lately I've been running or lifting in the mornings and then doing HIIT in the evenings.

If your asthma is bothering you (I have it too) I suggest doing some lower impact stuff and working up to the harder routines. For most HIIT exercises there are low impact versions you can do, for example burpees can be difficult to do and do correctly at first, but there is a slow burpee that is good for beginners.

Also, if you decide to do sprints as Seven suggested and your asthma kicks up. Just give yourself a longer rest period between each sprint or shorten the distance you're sprinting. Start small and build up. I rarely have breathing issues anymore, it's just something that will take time.

 

[Zacheryah]

Although, I'll never deadlift again.

So, what's your take on full body workouts?

Do you mean compounds, or as in that you do the entire body each day ?

I know, man. My friends would say I'm a pussy for not doing deadlifts and squats but I would just fart in the gym to get my revenge. I actually stopped going to the gym a few months ago and I'm doing calisthenics. And well, I don't wanna be huge like Zach so it's perfect for me. I love the fact that calisthenics gives you much more functional strength and that you can be a show off.

Oh i'm not huge at all, just tall.
My Posterior chain, quadriceps and frontal delts are huge, but you dont see those. My pecs and traps are decent.

To be actually huge you need to build massive arms, side delts and lats.


But you dont get huge by accident, it requires a shitload of work.

 

[Seven]

I know, man. My friends would say I'm a pussy for not doing deadlifts and squats but I would just fart in the gym to get my revenge. I actually stopped going to the gym a few months ago and I'm doing calisthenics. And well, I don't wanna be huge like Zach so it's perfect for me. I love the fact that calisthenics gives you much more functional strength and that you can be a show off.

The funny part with deadlifts is that it is always promoted as the ultimate physique builder. Strong lats, strong back, great glutes and hamstrings.. And it does build those areas and it can be important for athletes. But the best deadlifters in the world are Andy Bolton, Benedikt Magnusson and Eddie Hall. All three look horrible and unhealthy.

So are they really necessary for the average lifter? They can make your back stronger and make you worry less about it. In that sense they could be a very good exercise. But if you worry bad things will happen every time you pick up that weight, I say fuck it. It's not as if the best in the world are Greek gods. Far from it in fact.

 

[Zacheryah]

Best deadlifters in the world is Kolkyeav(420kg with a stiff bar) and was Konstantin Konstantinovs (426kg no belt, doping tested)

You should look at their physique when they were in their prime

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Konstantinovs. Imo the best deadlifter in history.

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his record

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Koklyaev in his prime.

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Difficult to find vids of his deadlifts, this was at the GPA last year. Would have nailed it if he didnt hook the last one

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Sadly however, Micha has been getting seriously fat of late.

 

[ALC]

Dont go below 10 reps, dont bounce, and dont lose form.

Should work

Oh and dont use a lifting belt. Those are there only to increase abdominal pressure.

The guys who says "it protects the back", mistake it for a corset.

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....and those who are using it the entire training, are using it as a corset to hide the belly


Wich is funny, because when you put on a lifting belt tight enough, it will not look good

What's wrong with going below ten reps?

 

[IliveForJuve]

Too big and the shape of their bodies looks strange, too square.

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Do you mean compounds, or as in that you do the entire body each day ?




Oh i'm not huge at all, just tall.
My Posterior chain, quadriceps and frontal delts are huge, but you dont see those. My pecs and traps are decent.

To be actually huge you need to build massive arms, side delts and lats.


But you dont get huge by accident, it requires a shitload of work.

Nope, I mean full body. Like working out your whole body 3 times a week.

A shitload of work and roids.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Good for you, seriously. People are always pressured into deadlifts and squats because they build so much mass. And they do. They work. But if you're not comfortable with an exercise, there comes a point where you should just let it go.

i dont deadlift and my back is just fine

 

[Zacheryah]

What's wrong with going below ten reps?

Its excellent to build the easy mass, but you wont stress the posterior chain that much, so basically, you cant do much wrong

Thats why on deadlifts, if you want to get as strong as possible, you do many sets, of very low reps, on a good to high %max.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

No. For hamstring work I mean true, 100% all out sprints. Like 40 meter sprints (if you've never sprinted a lot in your life, you won't be able to sprint for 100 meter and most likely not for 60 either). I used to sprint a lot a couple of years and it does bulk you up a lot. You'll be surprisingly sore in your abs, arms and traps too.

All this being said, there are few people who lift a lot of weight and like to sprint. I bet a guy like @Zacheryah would have great difficulties sprinting: at some point the added mass will make it too hard to and painful to sprint.

Doing that would probably effectively take me out for the rest of the day.

HIIT is good for cardio and it's generally short enough (8 to 20 minutes) that you can do a bit and then recover enough to do strength training the same day. Lately I've been running or lifting in the mornings and then doing HIIT in the evenings.

If your asthma is bothering you (I have it too) I suggest doing some lower impact stuff and working up to the harder routines. For most HIIT exercises there are low impact versions you can do, for example burpees can be difficult to do and do correctly at first, but there is a slow burpee that is good for beginners.

Also, if you decide to do sprints as Seven suggested and your asthma kicks up. Just give yourself a longer rest period between each sprint or shorten the distance you're sprinting. Start small and build up. I rarely have breathing issues anymore, it's just something that will take time.

I've been increasing the speed and duration of the high intensity periods while on the treadmill, closest I'm comfortable with doing right now. I'm glad to hear you're better now though.





Another question, is it ok to use gloves for deadlifting? I wouldn't use it for anything else. It's just getting to the point where I can't do them anymore because it feels like my skin is going to rip open.

 

[Enron]

No gloves amico mio. You need hands of hard leather.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

The skin is ripping off on my callouses

 

[Enron]

Must be your grip, I've never had that problem.

I defer to Zach.

 

[Salvo]

Yeah fuck gloves. It hurt me at the start but I got used to it.

 

[ALC]

Its excellent to build the easy mass, but you wont stress the posterior chain that much, so basically, you cant do much wrong

Thats why on deadlifts, if you want to get as strong as possible, you do many sets, of very low reps, on a good to high %max.

So it's better to stay below ten then?

 

[Seven]

Best deadlifters in the world is Kolkyeav(420kg with a stiff bar) and was Konstantin Konstantinovs (426kg no belt, doping tested)

You should look at their physique when they were in their prime

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Konstantinovs. Imo the best deadlifter in history.

Spoiler

his record

Spoiler

- - - Updated - - -

Koklyaev in his prime.

Spoiler

Difficult to find vids of his deadlifts, this was at the GPA last year. Would have nailed it if he didnt hook the last one

Spoiler

Sadly however, Micha has been getting seriously fat of late.

They carry a lot of muscle, but they don't have a great physique imo. They don't have that tight, ripped look athletes have.

I think there also comes a time when powerlifting encourages your body to get fat as it gets you better leverages. As a fat man, you will deadlift better.

More importantly however I think the deadlift can in fact cause injuries and perhaps does so more than other exercises. You need strength to protect your back and for that a 100kg deadlift can be very good. But do you really need to build up to 200 and above? I honestly doubt it.

i dont deadlift and my back is just fine

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Doing that would probably effectively take me out for the rest of the day.

I've been increasing the speed and duration of the high intensity periods while on the treadmill, closest I'm comfortable with doing right now. I'm glad to hear you're better now though.

Sprints will do that to you. What really makes them tricky is that you don't always feel sore or tired straight away. That can cause you to do more sprint volume than you can truly handle and you won't be able to walk like a normal human being the next day.

Also, I know athletes combine squats, deads and sprints, but if you're not a professional athlete you might not be able to handle the combination. Sprints will make you very sore and tax your cns hard. Which means you're too tired and stiff to do squats and deads. That's when bad things happen.

 

[Zacheryah]

Doing that would probably effectively take me out for the rest of the day.

I've been increasing the speed and duration of the high intensity periods while on the treadmill, closest I'm comfortable with doing right now. I'm glad to hear you're better now though.





Another question, is it ok to use gloves for deadlifting? I wouldn't use it for anything else. It's just getting to the point where I can't do them anymore because it feels like my skin is going to rip open.

Use chalk or lifting straps.

Preferably chalk, as improving your grip means you'll improve your forearms

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@Seven most bodybuilders in my gym cant pull over 170kg, so its not neccecary.

Benchpress and squat are very muscle dependant and both rise quickly when increasing weight. Squat can benefit from higher fat, as i've experience this myself to lose like 20kg on my max when i cut off the fat.
Looking at IPF you'll see that bench goes up with muscle, and squat with both. And especially squat explodes in the open category when people, equipped and not go over 400.

Deadlift is a different thing. Its not fat dependant at all. Looking at IPF you can see that after the -93kg class, it barely moves at all, despite kilograms of extra muscle.
Best example is comparing the -120 and +120 class. -120 are generally at 118a119kg. the +120 top lifters are 150-170kg. Yet despite the ~40-50kg weight difference, their deadlifts barely improve, if at all.

Its about having functional muscle in the posterior chain for it. Truth is that athletes in the weightclasses are at the max fatfree mass they can be. open class athletes usually dont have that much extra muscle. Its difficult putting extra muscle on the body from there.

Most known deadlifters are a bit fat, because they come from a period before there was much focus on how to eat, and just ate anything cause "muscle brings fat anyway".

IPF is currently full of lifters who pull close to 400 on an eleiko extremely stiff bar. Would pull well over 400kg with a deadlift bar. Ed Coan back in the day for example was pretty shredd and he pulled 410kg at 99kg.


When looking at strongman, yeah, they all weigh in at 170-200kg. But its the ones with the most p.c. muscle who like Hall or Shaw who actually pull big


My last example is eric lilliebridge. nontested. That guy was a shredded monster (i call 12-14% shredded for a powerlifter) when he was -125kg. Now he's in the -140kg. He got a bit fat. His bench and squat improved a nice amoubt.
Deadlift barely improved anything