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[Seven]

Use chalk or lifting straps.

Preferably chalk, as improving your grip means you'll improve your forearms

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@Seven most bodybuilders in my gym cant pull over 170kg, so its not neccecary.

Benchpress and squat are very muscle dependant and both rise quickly when increasing weight. Squat can benefit from higher fat, as i've experience this myself to lose like 20kg on my max when i cut off the fat.
Looking at IPF you'll see that bench goes up with muscle, and squat with both. And especially squat explodes in the open category when people, equipped and not go over 400.

Deadlift is a different thing. Its not fat dependant at all. Looking at IPF you can see that after the -93kg class, it barely moves at all, despite kilograms of extra muscle.
Best example is comparing the -120 and +120 class. -120 are generally at 118a119kg. the +120 top lifters are 150-170kg. Yet despite the ~40-50kg weight difference, their deadlifts barely improve, if at all.

Its about having functional muscle in the posterior chain for it. Truth is that athletes in the weightclasses are at the max fatfree mass they can be. open class athletes usually dont have that much extra muscle. Its difficult putting extra muscle on the body from there.

Most known deadlifters are a bit fat, because they come from a period before there was much focus on how to eat, and just ate anything cause "muscle brings fat anyway".

IPF is currently full of lifters who pull close to 400 on an eleiko extremely stiff bar. Would pull well over 400kg with a deadlift bar. Ed Coan back in the day for example was pretty shredd and he pulled 410kg at 99kg.


When looking at strongman, yeah, they all weigh in at 170-200kg. But its the ones with the most p.c. muscle who like Hall or Shaw who actually pull big


My last example is eric lilliebridge. nontested. That guy was a shredded monster (i call 12-14% shredded for a powerlifter) when he was -125kg. Now he's in the -140kg. He got a bit fat. His bench and squat improved a nice amoubt.
Deadlift barely improved anything

Maybe you're right. I'm also not saying the deadlift causes people to get fat. But I get a bit annoyed when powerlifters claim you get cardio benefits from squats and deadlifts and that they'll turn you into a ripped monster. They don't. They just make you incredibly strong. I certainly appreciate strength and it can be impressive, but it's not necessary for everyone to build that kind of strength.

And I can certainly see why not many people would want to be as big as these men are. And then there's the increased risk of a back or hip injury (especially with squats imo). I know you get people claiming that the lifts don't cause injuries, but there are an awful lot of squatters, especially people who did wide stance squats, who need hip replacements.

 

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[Zacheryah]

You can get cardio benefits from squat, if you have enough muscle.

3-6 reps, 75-85%, less then 2-3 min between sets, for 12 sets.


I did no cardio and cut down from 145 to 115kg purely on squats

 

[Seven]

You can get cardio benefits from squat, if you have enough muscle.

3-6 reps, 75-85%, less then 2-3 min between sets, for 12 sets.


I did no cardio and cut down from 145 to 115kg purely on squats

Come on, man. The cardio benefit from squats is minimal at best. A 5k run once in a while will help your heart a lot more. I'm not a big cardio fan either, but lifting alone definitely isn't enough.

Of course that doesn't mean you can't cut down without cardio.

 

[Zacheryah]

Key here, is fighting that heartrate and going in again.

You are basing your view on the open class of weightlifting. And bar a few exceptions, i dont like it eighter. I prefer to watch the weightclasses. As the top athletes will allways be 10-16% fat max, and look amazing.
Olympic lifting, the same. Look at that insane physique Klokov had. -105kg. Then look at the +105kg. Sorry not watching that.


Offcourse, seeing Ygnvar and Malanichev do 490 and 480 squat in a suit, or Malanichev and Lilliebridge 460 with just kneewraps, is quite the sight.

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Come on, man. The cardio benefit from squats is minimal at best. A 5k run once in a while will help your heart a lot more. I'm not a big cardio fan either, but lifting alone definitely isn't enough.

Of course that doesn't mean you can't cut down without cardio.

Oh, they are far from minimal. The thing is that everyone that squats, just takes far to long pauzes. thats wrong


This was my schedule from yesterday. I pulled that off in just over an houre. My heartrate isnt dropping below 100 the entire time, cause i keep the sets so quickly after each other.

I have a hard time now, comming from the competition blok (high weight, low reps/sets), and its pretty warm and humid in the gym. But i'll gradually improve my heart conditionning.

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I know my cardiovascular ability is improving, when the bench between the squats drops my heartrate under 90 despite the quick succession of sets

 

[IliveForJuve]

Maybe you're right. I'm also not saying the deadlift causes people to get fat. But I get a bit annoyed when powerlifters claim you get cardio benefits from squats and deadlifts and that they'll turn you into a ripped monster. They don't. They just make you incredibly strong. I certainly appreciate strength and it can be impressive, but it's not necessary for everyone to build that kind of strength.

And I can certainly see why not many people would want to be as big as these men are. And then there's the increased risk of a back or hip injury (especially with squats imo). I know you get people claiming that the lifts don't cause injuries, but there are an awful lot of squatters, especially people who did wide stance squats, who need hip replacements.

Exactly this. It's not even functional strength anyway. It won't help you perform activities in daily life better, at least not like other exercises that actually require a wide range of motion.

 

[Zacheryah]

Exactly this. It's not even functional strength anyway. It won't help you perform activities in daily life better, at least not like other exercises that actually require a wide range of motion.

Deadlift is based on the posterior chain. Beeing better at deadlifting means you are better at functional strength.


Strongman are the epitome of functional strength. Every excellent strongman, allways stood out in the deadlift.

 

[Seven]

Exactly this. It's not even functional strength anyway. It won't help you perform activities in daily life better, at least not like other exercises that actually require a wide range of motion.

Depends. If you've been deadlifting for a while groceries sure feel light.

Key here, is fighting that heartrate and going in again.

You are basing your view on the open class of weightlifting. And bar a few exceptions, i dont like it eighter. I prefer to watch the weightclasses. As the top athletes will allways be 10-16% fat max, and look amazing.
Olympic lifting, the same. Look at that insane physique Klokov had. -105kg. Then look at the +105kg. Sorry not watching that.


Offcourse, seeing Ygnvar and Malanichev do 490 and 480 squat in a suit, or Malanichev and Lilliebridge 460 with just kneewraps, is quite the sight.

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Oh, they are far from minimal. The thing is that everyone that squats, just takes far to long pauzes. thats wrong


This was my schedule from yesterday. I pulled that off in just over an houre. My heartrate isnt dropping below 100 the entire time, cause i keep the sets so quickly after each other.

I have a hard time now, comming from the competition blok (high weight, low reps/sets), and its pretty warm and humid in the gym. But i'll gradually improve my heart conditionning.

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I know my cardiovascular ability is improving, when the bench between the squats drops my heartrate under 90 despite the quick succession of sets

Olympic lifters don't look bad and they are fit guys, but I doubt the majority of people go for that physique.

Squats do improve your cardiovascular ability. I've experienced that they do myself. But there are other, better and faster ways to improve cardio. I think a 5K run once a week has great benefits for cardio and hardly interferes with lifting.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Deadlift is based on the posterior chain. Beeing better at deadlifting means you are better at functional strength.


Strongman are the epitome of functional strength. Every excellent strongman, allways stood out in the deadlift.

Those fatsos can't even do one chin-up.

 

[Zacheryah]

Those fatsos can't even do one chin-up.

Konstantinovs at 122kg

Sarychev(180) and Malanichev (165) and Koklyaev

 

[Seven]

Those fatsos can't even do one chin-up.

Even if they couldn't, which I doubt, the chin up is also a lot easier if you're a lightweight.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Konstantinovs at 122kg

Sarychev(180) and Malanichev (165)

Okay the first guy was impressive with his explosive pull-ups but the other two lardasses were zy

 

[Seven]

@Zacheryah, you have to respect those guys for the level of strength they have, but surely you can see why almost no one wants to look like them?

 

[IliveForJuve]

Even if they couldn't, which I doubt, the chin up is also a lot easier if you're a lightweight.

Which leads me to my next point. The fatties would have a harder time climbing up a wall.

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@Zacheryah, you have to respect those guys for the level of strength they have, but surely you can see why almost no one wants to look like them?

Yup, aesthetics lvl 0.

 

[Zacheryah]

@Zacheryah, you have to respect those guys for the level of strength they have, but surely you can see why almost no one wants to look like them?

Oh offcourse. Altho i kinda liked Konstantinovs when he was in his prime.

And if you want pure cardio, running is the best offcourse. For a strengthathlete, its different cause its too catabolic

 

[Seven]

Which leads me to my next point. The fatties would have a harder time climbing up a wall.

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Yup, aesthetics lvl 0.

Different goals..

Oh offcourse. Altho i kinda liked Konstantinovs when he was in his prime.

And if you want pure cardio, running is the best offcourse. For a strength athlete, its different cause its too catabolic

It is, if you run a lot. The occasional run isn't too bad IMO.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Skip rope is the real deal.

 

[Zacheryah]

Skip rope is the real deal.

just gotto make sure your rope fits your purse

 

[Oggy]

 

[Seven]

just gotto make sure your rope fits your purse

I used that as a warm up before sprint sessions in Canada and Alaska (didn't feel like a long run to warm up in grizzly infested forests). It's not all bad. I suck at it though.

 

[Dostoevsky]

just gotto make sure your rope fits your purse

Yeah, because boxers are bunch of sissies