Gym and fitness (17 Viewers)

[Oggy]

I actually modified that program but it still works great for me. I base it on progressive overload, and I made serious gains in muscles and strength.

 

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[Zacheryah]

Well, schedules are like Conte's 352

if you get the results you want, dont change it, untill it isnt anymore

 

[Post Ironic]

I followed a modified Bulgarian schedule when I was training the O. lifts heavily. Having full-time employment on the side made it impossible to follow a 4-6 hr/day, 6 days a week training schedule, besides the fact I had nowhere near the setup and ability for recovery that they did during the 1980s under Adabjiev.

There was a reason the Bulgarians generally remained in lighter weight classes throughout their weightlifting careers back then and dominated them, as opposed to the Soviets who generally jumped weight classes over time and more so dominated the heavier weight classes. The Bulgarians trained almost entirely pure strength and power, very low rep numbers, never much higher than 3s, and pretty much not a single auxiliary lift. Clean, Jerk, Snatch, Front Squat, and Pulls... while the Russians schedules contained a large number of auxiliary lifts, borderline isolation exercises, and rep numbers that would also lead to a degree of hypertrophy.

I liked the Abadjiev training premise of high set numbers of near 1RM lifts, spread over 2-3 workout sessions throughout the day. I would do this a 2. Often I'd do a Monday Wednesday, Friday with a 1.5 hour session of Snatch and Fr Squat in the AM, and a 1.5 hr session of Clean and Jerk and Snatch in the PM; and then a Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday with a 1.5 hr session of Power Snatch and Power Clean in the AM, and then a 1.5 hr session of Back Squat + auxiliary exercises like pull-ups, handstand work, and bench press. I'd cycle on for 6 weeks and then take 2 weeks of light exercise for recovery.

At 77Kg I had a 130kg Clean and Jerk, and a 95kg snatch, after about 18 months of training... up from 85Kg Clean and Jerk and 60kg Snatch when I began at a bodyweight of 70kg. I started after a rupture of my A2 tendon pulley in both my ring and middle fingers in my left hand that made me take an 18 month break from climbing and related training. O-lifting seemed like the thing to get into, as with a Bulgarian style, it wouldn't cause my bodyweight to jump too high. Conveniently enough, the added explosiveness really helped my surfing also.

Anyways. The most impressive weightlifting feat I have ever seen was Naim Suleymanoglu at the 1988 Olympics. 60kg bodyweight -- 152.5kg Snatch and a 190kg Clean and Jerk. That C&J to BW ratio will likely never be broken. His Sinclair-Coefficient total of 504, beats the next best total ever recorded by 13 points.

Forward to 4:40 and 12:30 to see his record lifts here.

 

[Lilith]

Day 1 of healthy eating accomplished.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Day 1 of healthy eating accomplished.

It's all about diet. You'll be amazed at the changes that alone will bring to your body

 

[Lilith]

Already set my alarm for an hour earlier so I can get up and go running in the morning. Also took a sort of before pic. Aiming to get back to the early 20's body.

 

[Zacheryah]

I followed a modified Bulgarian schedule when I was training the O. lifts heavily. Having full-time employment on the side made it impossible to follow a 4-6 hr/day, 6 days a week training schedule, besides the fact I had nowhere near the setup and ability for recovery that they did during the 1980s under Adabjiev.

There was a reason the Bulgarians generally remained in lighter weight classes throughout their weightlifting careers back then and dominated them, as opposed to the Soviets who generally jumped weight classes over time and more so dominated the heavier weight classes. The Bulgarians trained almost entirely pure strength and power, very low rep numbers, never much higher than 3s, and pretty much not a single auxiliary lift. Clean, Jerk, Snatch, Front Squat, and Pulls... while the Russians schedules contained a large number of auxiliary lifts, borderline isolation exercises, and rep numbers that would also lead to a degree of hypertrophy.

I liked the Abadjiev training premise of high set numbers of near 1RM lifts, spread over 2-3 workout sessions throughout the day. I would do this a 2. Often I'd do a Monday Wednesday, Friday with a 1.5 hour session of Snatch and Fr Squat in the AM, and a 1.5 hr session of Clean and Jerk and Snatch in the PM; and then a Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday with a 1.5 hr session of Power Snatch and Power Clean in the AM, and then a 1.5 hr session of Back Squat + auxiliary exercises like pull-ups, handstand work, and bench press. I'd cycle on for 6 weeks and then take 2 weeks of light exercise for recovery.

At 77Kg I had a 130kg Clean and Jerk, and a 95kg snatch, after about 18 months of training... up from 85Kg Clean and Jerk and 60kg Snatch when I began at a bodyweight of 70kg. I started after a rupture of my A2 tendon pulley in both my ring and middle fingers in my left hand that made me take an 18 month break from climbing and related training. O-lifting seemed like the thing to get into, as with a Bulgarian style, it wouldn't cause my bodyweight to jump too high. Conveniently enough, the added explosiveness really helped my surfing also.

Anyways. The most impressive weightlifting feat I have ever seen was Naim Suleymanoglu at the 1988 Olympics. 60kg bodyweight -- 152.5kg Snatch and a 190kg Clean and Jerk. That C&J to BW ratio will likely never be broken. His Sinclair-Coefficient total of 504, beats the next best total ever recorded by 13 points.

Forward to 4:40 and 12:30 to see his record lifts here.

Very impressive. And an ungodly high clean and jerk for that bodyweight.

Reminds me a bit of Ed Coan in powerlifting. In times when the "geared equipment" was doing practically nothing, he set gigantic records, on less then 100kg.

As of today,still nobody comming close. 2 claim have to, but if you take in accound the advantage of a modern single ply benching suit alone, that both squat significantly higher (one was absolutely not deep enough), and still "beat" him on a few kg, it makes it so much more impressive

It's all about diet. You'll be amazed at the changes that alone will bring to your body

I have to partially disagree.

I never understood why women in 99% cases will severely limit caloric intake in order to lose weigt. You deprive yourself of eating well, and you're intolerable half the time cause you are hungry. And nearly every single female on a diet will relapse to their original weight when they quit the diet. Or become vegetarian and have hormonal issues and pathetic tissue.

The easy solution, is simply increasing the calories you burn. Dont want to drop your daily intake by 500 ? Sure, burn 500 more and you can eat the same.
Want to get shredded as fuck on Mc Donalds ? Sure, just burn 500+ calories then you are eating.

Is eating bad, actually bad , when losing weight ? Partially. "eating bad" means you are combining fat and sugar in your means, and mostly monosaccharid sugars who cause huge insuline spikes.

Is it bad ? Yeah, your insuline spikes can lead to diabetis. The response of the body to direct the glucose into the glycolisis and straight to Acetyl-coA, into your body fat storage, means you'll having alot of fat running in your blood and getting stored in the body. The additional fat you take in will also get stored, but causes even more circulating the veigns. This is horrendous for the cardiovascular system and will usually lead to heart conditions as early as 40 y/o. Not to mention insuline spikes correlate strongly with diabetis type2. And diabetis can cause a normal male who eats "healthy" to still get clogged veigns. My father had that.

But is "eating healthy" required to lose weight ? Not at all.

If you eat 2000kcal before you sleep, and you burn 3000 kcal during the day, you will lose weight.
If you spread those 2000kcal around the day, you'll burn 3200(+200 is example) kcal cause of metabolic activity.

I'm currently burning 5300 kcal on training days and 3000 on regular days. I have 3-4 our of 14 meals per week wich are a filthy cheat. Yet i'm losing 1.3kg/week for quite a while now.
Drives my girlfriend insane, who has a "healthy eating habbit" and cant cheatmeal or gains weight.

Intense lifting. Its a blessing

 

[Lilith]

I have to partially disagree.

I never understood why women in 99% cases will severely limit caloric intake in order to lose weigt. You deprive yourself of eating well, and you're intolerable half the time cause you are hungry. And nearly every single female on a diet will relapse to their original weight when they quit the diet. Or become vegetarian and have hormonal issues and pathetic tissue.

Oh I ate. I just replaced some (not all) of the rice with veggies and switched to special k for breakfast. I eat too much crap though hence the change. But I agree with the reverting back part that's why it's a whole lifestyle change and not a diet. I have to force myself to eat a well balanced meal though. My metabolism isn't the same as it was in my 20's

 

[Cuti]

It's sharp pain and it doesn't really stop, it hurts most of the time. I got it like 2 days ago and I have no idea how that happened.. All I was doing was pull ups and dips (it occurred me that it might happened when I fell down on ground while doing dips, since it's like 40cm fall when I land.. and I was jumping like 20-30 times but it sounds retarded, no?). Other than that I was just walking a lot, but it's not like it's anything new as I always walk a lot. Other than that I have NO activity that could result this shit. I feel the pain on the right side of it, so when I walk I feel the pain, when I stand on my right leg I feel it and it's pretty bad. Yesterday it didn't hurt much, but it started when I was watching a movie and after 2 hours I decided to stand up, so I even had some troubles sleeping. And today when I woke up I felt like half of Tuz played with my anus, I think I was walking like a cowboy. It stopped hurting during the day but it came back like 2h ago. Now even while sitting I feel a little bit of it, but I know if I stand up it's gonna be a real bitch

I have something 'similar'. My sciatica is hurting, I apparently have an inflamed nerve which in certain movements and occasions causes a really big shooting pain from the lower left part of my back to almost the back of my knee...it's super annoying, and is leading to me not being able to stretch properly before football

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Already set my alarm for an hour earlier so I can get up and go running in the morning. Also took a sort of before pic. Aiming to get back to the early 20's body.

I have had the same waist line and build since 21. When i have gained weight and lost shape its always been because of diet fluctuations

 

[Klin]

I have something 'similar'. My sciatica is hurting, I apparently have an inflamed nerve which in certain movements and occasions causes a really big shooting pain from the lower left part of my back to almost the back of my knee...it's super annoying, and is leading to me not being able to stretch properly before football

You don't seem to have any problems stretching before "our workouts".

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Very impressive. And an ungodly high clean and jerk for that bodyweight.

Reminds me a bit of Ed Coan in powerlifting. In times when the "geared equipment" was doing practically nothing, he set gigantic records, on less then 100kg.

As of today,still nobody comming close. 2 claim have to, but if you take in accound the advantage of a modern single ply benching suit alone, that both squat significantly higher (one was absolutely not deep enough), and still "beat" him on a few kg, it makes it so much more impressive



I have to partially disagree.

I never understood why women in 99% cases will severely limit caloric intake in order to lose weigt. You deprive yourself of eating well, and you're intolerable half the time cause you are hungry. And nearly every single female on a diet will relapse to their original weight when they quit the diet. Or become vegetarian and have hormonal issues and pathetic tissue.

The easy solution, is simply increasing the calories you burn. Dont want to drop your daily intake by 500 ? Sure, burn 500 more and you can eat the same.
Want to get shredded as $#@! on Mc Donalds ? Sure, just burn 500+ calories then you are eating.

Is eating bad, actually bad , when losing weight ? Partially. "eating bad" means you are combining fat and sugar in your means, and mostly monosaccharid sugars who cause huge insuline spikes.

Is it bad ? Yeah, your insuline spikes can lead to diabetis. The response of the body to direct the glucose into the glycolisis and straight to Acetyl-coA, into your body fat storage, means you'll having alot of fat running in your blood and getting stored in the body. The additional fat you take in will also get stored, but causes even more circulating the veigns. This is horrendous for the cardiovascular system and will usually lead to heart conditions as early as 40 y/o. Not to mention insuline spikes correlate strongly with diabetis type2. And diabetis can cause a normal male who eats "healthy" to still get clogged veigns. My father had that.

But is "eating healthy" required to lose weight ? Not at all.

If you eat 2000kcal before you sleep, and you burn 3000 kcal during the day, you will lose weight.
If you spread those 2000kcal around the day, you'll burn 3200(+200 is example) kcal cause of metabolic activity.

I'm currently burning 5300 kcal on training days and 3000 on regular days. I have 3-4 our of 14 meals per week wich are a filthy cheat. Yet i'm losing 1.3kg/week for quite a while now.
Drives my girlfriend insane, who has a "healthy eating habbit" and cant cheatmeal or gains weight.

Intense lifting. Its a blessing

I am not speaking of Caloric decrease I am speaking of the right kind of calories and foods. Not empty calories, but nutrient rich calories. Theres a difference. The first way you starve the later you eat and eat well just good foods and not junk

 

[Klin]

Was Jesus athletic, AC? I think he used to do a lot of crossfit during his days.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Was Jesus athletic, AC? I think he used to do a lot of crossfit during his days.

As you are trying to mock the reality was he was probably buff as hell. He was a carpenter by trade

 

[Klin]

As you are trying to mock the reality was he was probably buff as hell. He was a carpenter by trade

But Diet Coke didn't exist back in those days. They must have had a different remedy.

My uncle is a carpenter and he looks like Barney. I don't get your theory.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But Diet Coke didn't exist back in those days. They must have had a different remedy.

My uncle is a carpenter and he looks like Barney. I don't get your theory.

A carpenter back in ancient times wasn't like a carpenter know, heavier lifting and no assistive tools. A carpenter back then was more so a contractor of sorts, built everything from a table to a house. Factor in his basically pescatarian diet and he was lean and chiseled

 

[Klin]

A carpenter back in ancient times wasn't like a carpenter know, heavier lifting and no assistive tools. A carpenter back then was more so a contractor of sorts, built everything from a table to a house. Factor in his basically pescatarian diet and he was lean and chiseled

Is this documented too? Would love to see what his workouts were like and what type of wood he used to handle.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Is this documented too? Would love to see what his workouts were like and what type of wood he used to handle.

Its so cute how you try to get under my skin but the reality is I'm not that guy anymore so you can try and offend all you want the only person you hurt is yourself my friend

 

[Cuti]

You don't seem to have any problems stretching before "our workouts".

where there's a will there's a way

Was Jesus athletic, AC? I think he used to do a lot of crossfit during his days.

he def was, he always is portrayed as having a 6 pack when crucified

 

[Klin]

Its so cute how you try to get under my skin but the reality is I'm not that guy anymore so you can try and offend all you want the only person you hurt is yourself my friend

Why am I hurt? I am discussing this with you because you're the most knowledgeable person here on the subject.

From now on, I will not take seriously those who are both fat and religious because they aren't following Jesus' steps. Luckily, you are in a great shape buddy.