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[Bjerknes]

And yes, many of Italian descent (such as myslef) choose to follow Italy over and above our countries of birth (I support and follow the US ... so long as they are not playing or in contention with Italy. At WC 2006 I was unashamedly and completely pulling for gli Azzurri when they met the US). I know that riles some people up as well.

That's just nonsense, IMO. While you may not need my approval to do what you'll like, I'm certainly free to express my opinion that you're not a supporter of the United States in my book.

Welcome to the forums, Azzurri fanboy.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

Oh I understand the jeallousy. When I go on Brittish soccer sites I expect the hate. But on a site dedicated to passion for an ITALIAN team I would expect that there would be almost none of that type of sentiment.

There really isnt much Azzurri hate on here. A majority of the forum have nothing against the Azzurri but the few who do are very vocal about it.

The witchhunt has had its advantages though.

For one, we don't hear, lets sign player X because he is Italian anymore.

Stupidest shit ever

And yes, many of Italian descent (such as myslef) choose to follow Italy over and above our countries of birth (I support and follow the US ... so long as they are not playing or in contention with Italy. At WC 2006 I was unashamedly and completely pulling for gli Azzurri when they met the US). I know that riles some people up as well.

I don't have a problem with Italy but this I do

 

[Delle Alpi]

I am with Italy as long as if they win the world cup, if they don't I'll just cheer for the team which win it

 

[Italia Todd]

The only player worth hyping is Buffon, because he's the only world class player we have.

I would argue that De Rossi is as well. We have others with the potential to be world class, but no there yet as well.

As for those of you with problems with my support, it's not like I haven't taken crap for it before, you won't be the first to dislike me for it. But as a second generation Italian-American, sorry, I have always identified myself through my Italian heritage, and before you tell me to just go move there if I like it so much, I am in the process of working on that.

 

[Bjerknes]

Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. Just take all your money grubbers along with you.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Who does that and what players are they over-rating?

The only player worth hyping is Buffon, because he's the only world class player we have.

Chiellini and De Rossi are world class.

 

[Alen]

What a bunch of clowns in this thread, but it's not surprising.

Andy

He never fails to fulfill my expectations

+rep for that

 

[Fred]

I'm loving it too, i'm a +rep him as well.

Oh and Osman don't you dare try to diffuse it here too

 

[king Ale]

Jealous because they won the WC 4 years ago.

The only NT one should be jealous of is Brazil.

What's the point you're trying to make with these two sentences?

You are not jealous of Italy because they won the World Cup four years ago but you could be jealous of Brazil because they won it 8 years ago?

Most of us non azzurri supporters are just fed up with how Italian players are overrated here for the sole reason that they are Italian.

They are overrated HERE? About whom are you talking? Most of the Azzurri are playing for Juve and you can see that NONE of us, Juve fans, overrate our Italian players even though we naturally like them. Buffon is the best goalkeeper in the world and it has nothing to do with him being Italian. Same goes for Chiellini who's a very good defender regardless of his nationality. Grosso? Has he even been rated here? Camo, Marchisio, Iaquinta, Cannavaro, who are you talking about? You see that we don't even overrate Juve Italian players let alone those who're playing for our rivals.

 

[Osman]

This an Azzurri thread, spew the same recycled BS as usual in here, if one get kicks out of that. But what gets annoying is when its spread out to wherever the poster in question posts in. Just big meeeh then


And oh, Forza Azzurri

 

[Fred]

What's the point you're trying to make with these two sentences?

You are not jealous of Italy because they won the World Cup four years ago but you could be jealous of Brazil because they won it 8 years ago?



They are overrated HERE? About whom are you talking? Most of the Azzurri are playing for Juve and you can see that NONE of us, Juve fans, overrate our Italian players even though we naturally like them. Buffon is the best goalkeeper in the world and it has nothing to do with him being Italian. Same goes for Chiellini who's a very good defender regardless of his nationality. Grosso? Has he even been rated here? Camo, Marchisio, Iaquinta, Cannavaro, who are you talking about? You see that we don't even overrate Juve Italian players let alone those who're playing for our rivals.

No you can be jealous of Brazil because they're the best NT in the world and because they win their titles with entertainment and style. I'd love my team to be like them, i'd always envy them but never Italy to be honest.


As for the overrated players. Some here overrated Paro and Volpato FFS

I saw a lot of people that rated Grosso before he came here. Despite him being inconsistent and poor in front of quality opposition while in the Ligue. Even quality players like Giovinco have been overrated at times here, i remember having an argument with somebody(can't remember who?) on who was more talented Giovinco or Messi

Also young Italians are always rated highly here. Big flops like De Silvestri, Cigarini and the likes, people always wanted them at Juve.

 

[The Curr]

Also young Italians are always rated highly here. Big flops like De Silvestri, Cigarini and the likes, people always wanted them at Juve.

I'd just like to point out that I was always anti-De Silvestri.

 

[IrishZebra]

I'd just like to point out that I was always anti-De Silvestri.

Any chance you want to sign up in the fm thread?

 

[king Ale]

No you can be jealous of Brazil because they're the best NT in the world and because they win their titles with entertainment and style. I'd love my team to be like them, i'd always envy them but never Italy to be honest.

Italy are only one title behind. Hopefully they won't be so after the end of this World Cup Oh and I'm a Juve fan for the love of God, I don't know anything about entertainment, neither do I care about it

Italy won the 06 World Cup with style btw. You've juts got to admit it.

As for the overrated players. Some here overrated Paro and Volpato FFS

They were our youth products Fred. Nothing is lovelier than your favorite club producing young talents, introducing them to the the first level. Believe me, if those young players were Ghanaian, Uzbek or Chinese we'd have still been excited about them, starting to overrate them and hoping for them to be big players in future only to brag about how we're building our team's structure based on our OWN young players. It has absolutely nothing to do with them being Italian.

I saw a lot of people that rated Grosso before he came here. Despite him being inconsistent and poor in front of quality opposition while in the Ligue.

If you had a Molinaro crossing to the Alps week in week out for your team, you would have even rated Giovanni Pasquale. We used to rate all the left backs in the world back then and we still rate 90% of them

Even quality players like Giovinco have been overrated at times here, i remember having an argument with somebody(can't remember who?) on who was more talented Giovinco or Messi

What I said about our youth academy products still applies here. Marchisio, Giovinco, Marrone, Immobile, etc. They are being overrated here but it's not because they are Italian. Teams like Barca and Ajax are two fine examples and everyone would love to see his/her team to be like them in terms of caring about the youth teams. Barca' young talents are normally Spanish, Ajax's are mostly Dutch so it's no surprise that ours are Italian but the hype around them is not related to their "Italian blood".

Also young Italians are always rated highly here. Big flops like De Silvestri, Cigarini and the likes, people always wanted them at Juve.

People wanted Zuniga here as well. I remember they wanted Kharja and Jimenez here at times (when they were playing for Ternana), Meghni (the new Zidane) or Udinese's Felipe, none of which were Italian. You can't deny that De Silvestri and Cigarini had promising seasons so just like many other one-two season wonders, people love to want them all at their favorite team. You just have to take a look at the whole picture. We're playing in Italy where the most footballers are Italian. So the probability for them being those over-hyped wonders are more than the non-Italian players.

 

[Bjerknes]

Italy are only one title behind. Hopefully they won't be so after the end of this World Cup Oh and I'm a Juve fan for the love of God, I don't know anything about entertainment, neither do I care about it

Italy won the 06 World Cup with style btw. You've juts got to admit it.

If by style you mean flopping around in the area, then you must be great in bed.

They were our youth products Fred. Nothing is lovelier than your favorite club producing young talents, introducing them to the the first level. Believe me, if those young players were Ghanaian, Uzbek or Chinese we'd have still been excited about them, starting to overrate them and hoping for them to be big players in future only to brag about how we're building our team's structure based on our OWN young players. It has absolutely nothing to do with them being Italian.

Not really, if they were Uzbek or Chinese, nobody would watch their matches for their national team, unlike folks around here with the Azzurrini. Plus most fas have the stereotype that lesser known countries produce lesser players, so if you combine the two, folks have a natural bias against players that are not Italian, simply through ignorance. Moreover, since many here are indeed Azzurri fans, their optimism and hope for the future naturally clouds their judgement.

It has everything to do with them being Italian in most cases.

People wanted Zuniga here as well. I remember they wanted Kharja and Jimenez here at times (when they were playing for Ternana), Meghni (the new Zidane) or Udinese's Felipe, none of which were Italian. You can't deny that De Silvestri and Cigarini had promising seasons so just like many other one-two season wonders, people love to want them all at their favorite team. You just have to take a look at the whole picture. We're playing in Italy where the most footballers are Italian. So the probability for them being those over-hyped wonders are more than the non-Italian players.

But the problem is more folks want Italian players in the first place, considering it is an Italian club. This is what one could call a natural bias.

The sheer fact of the matter is that when you line up player by player, Italian vs. Non-Italian, the majority of the forum will take the Italian player, both due to ignorance and the natural bias that this is an Italian club. People tend to stick with what they know, so that's why you see people here claiming Barzagli is our best option while saying Pepe sucks.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Andy, Barzagli is a world class player because:
A. He is Italian
B. He won the world cup

Now soap it

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes, that's another problem. The fanboys here typically tend to use the fact that some players won the World Cup to defend their ability, which is absolute nonsense, as any sane fan understands.

It's like me saying Mikey Bradley is better than Cesc Fabregas just because we finished higher than Spain at the Confederations Cup, or Onyewu is better than Rafa Marquez just because we won the Gold Cup.

I've seen such nonsense plenty of times on here, from an array of posters.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I know, the whole "but he won the world cup" argument in defense of Grosso was classic

 

[fabianaceeee]

At WC 2006 I was unashamedly and completely pulling for gli Azzurri when they met the US

Andy is gonna have the time of his life bashing you

 

[Bjerknes]

Rightfully, and easily so.

If it was up to me, considering we send suspicious arabs to detention facilities and label Ron Paul supporters potential terrorists, the least we can do is send Todd down to Guantanamo under footballing terrorism charges.

No joke. The guy is a terrorist as far as I'm concerned.

Funny thing is, I think he's a pilot.

USSF Headquarters better watch out. Todd is going to fly his 727 right into Bob Bradley.