Gonzalo Higuaín (47 apps, 8 goals in CL and 43% chance conversion rate) (25 Viewers)

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Badass J Elkann

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Feb 12, 2006
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Indeed, we let go of Anelka & Del Piero while Diamanti is still a rumour. Facts first.
Doesn't hide the fact that we bought Anelka to begin with. how about that for a fact?

and pirlo?

if we're serious about this so called philosophy then why is Conte wanting Diamanti? and why are we seriously linked with a 29 year old Tevez?
 

Robee

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Doesn't hide the fact that we bought Anelka to begin with. how about that for a fact?

and pirlo?

if we're serious about this so called philosophy then why is Conte wanting Diamanti? and why are we seriously linked with a 29 year old Tevez?
We didn't buy Anelka, it was a loan. Better get your facts straight. Pirlo is the perfect exception that defines the rule. A free player of that quality is too good to resist.

Nothing wrong with having experience on your bench and they're still rumours.
 

jukazem

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Feb 10, 2007
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I don't think he's coming. I think when Perez says 30m is not enough he is hinting that he wanted a player of ours who we won't deal. Marotta also said that we won't do an exchange and Madrid's talk of coach is just a polite way of saying no to our terms, and see if we change our position about dealing player(s). Higuain is leaving regardless of coach, I think his decision has more to do with fans booing him during the last games of last season than coach.
 

Badass J Elkann

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We didn't buy Anelka, it was a loan. Pirlo is the perfect exception that defines the rule. A free player of that quality is too good to resist.

Nothing wrong with having experience on your bench and they're still rumours.
oh so now we're not sticking with the 'philosophy'? because we can make certain exceptions? so how does Pirlo on a free who has exceptional quality as you said differ to Carlos Tevez who commands a small transfer fee who too has exceptional quality?
 

Robee

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oh so now we're not sticking with the 'philosophy'? because we can make certain exceptions? so how does Pirlo on a free who has exceptional quality as you said differ to Carlos Tevez who commands a small transfer fee who too has exceptional quality?
There will always be exceptions on the right occasions my friend, that's how business works. Without them it's a simple head-up-the-ass-management.

There's no denying we have a decent young squad overall, who can deliver the goods for years to come. The only thing missing are young & quality attackers. Carlitos is not one of them & he's not in the classy Pirlo mould either. I'm not against Tevez at all, but those other 2 are better fits imo.
 

Badass J Elkann

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i don't see why it matters whether he is classy or not, that sure would be a lame excuse not to want Suarez or even Balotelli.

We should be looking at players primarily on whether they will make a significant difference to the team and whether he is financially viable, in Tevez' case i would say he fits both specifications.

Buying only classy players will get us nowhere and the likes of Ibrahimovic can testify to that fact and as i said earlier, would you seriously turn down the chance to sign a player of Suarez' character who lacks class but exceeds in his footballing a for that reason alone?
 

Robee

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i don't see why it matters whether he is classy or not, that sure would be a lame excuse not to want Suarez or even Balotelli.

We should be looking at players primarily on whether they will make a significant difference to the team and whether he is financially viable, in Tevez' case i would say he fits both specifications.

Buying only classy players will get us nowhere and the likes of Ibrahimovic can testify to that fact
Suarez or Balotelli are cunts but they tick all the other boxes. Tevez doesn't. Plus he ain't no CL difference maker if we look at the numbers, is he?
 

Badass J Elkann

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common now, you're telling me that Tevez is not good enough as a player?

if it was about difference makers in the CL, then there is little point in even discussing Jovetic, a player who might tick all the boxes in your philosophy criteria
 

Robee

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common now, you're telling me that Tevez is not good enough as a player?

if it was about difference makers in the CL, then there is little point in even discussing Jovetic, a player who might tick all the boxes in your philosophy criteria
Tevez as a person is far from good enough for Juve. His talent is amazing, too bad he's an old cunt with a high salary who almost wants to return to Argentina.

As far as I know Jovetic' only CL run was excellent. Or are you denying that?
 

baggio

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This is moving towards a good old bashing argument, whereas I was just pointing out the fallacy in your post based on reality.
Bashing what or whom? Just pointing out our mistakes from the past.

I've already told you how we can sign one early; pay the money they want. You don't advocate that, apparently, and I don't, so we'll go through usual procedure and risk losing a player. I say losing as if we are in pole position, but really just a club who wants him. That's modern football.
That or lose out on the player anyway, coz we certainly won't be getting the terms we are holding out or, once the competition arrives. If anything, we'll just step aside altogether.

I really don't know how you come to the conclusion of the first point, considering what officials at Juve, Madrid and now Arsenal have said in regards to the situation. This is more than subjective, like the rest of this part. I'm trying to follow things how they are actually happening.

The Higuain situation isn't at all like Llorente's.
Dunno what you mean by actually happening. Perez just said 30m won't be enough for Higuain!? Should we believe that coz a Madrid official apparently said so? My conclusion is that the truth is somewhere in the middle, and even if he did say it, it doesn't become true. It's mercato talk for buying time till a new coach arrives.

The Higuain situation is similar to Llorente in the sense that we are dealing with a high profile player who could've also sparked competition from other clubs. Even moreso coz there was one less variable to deal with: his club. Had we beat around the bush in the salary negotiations, I don't think we'd have Llorente.

So basically your answer is that you don't think we can negotiate several deals at one time, and we miss out on players because of that. Needless to say I don't agree.
Well, it isn't a Marrotta speciality IMO. So yea, we tend to drop the ball when not focused on our primary target.
 

Badass J Elkann

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Tevez as a person is far from good enough for Juve. His talent is amazing, too bad he's an old cunt with a high salary who almost wants to return to Argentina.

As far as I know Jovetic' only CL run was excellent. Or are you denying that?
how many top players do you know don't earn a high wage? This is what i've never understood when it comes to people trying to justify a reason for not wanting a player of exceptional calibre. Since Tevez is willing to take a pay cut then we cannot afford to pass up an opportunity like this, all because he lacks class as a character.
 

JuveJay

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Bashing what or whom? Just pointing out our mistakes from the past.
Our procedure and method, which is fair enough but going somewhat off on a tangent.

Dunno what you mean by actually happening. Perez just said 30m won't be enough for Higuain!? Should we believe that coz a Madrid official apparently said so? My conclusion is that the truth is somewhere in the middle, and even if he did say it, it doesn't become true. It's mercato talk for buying time till a new coach arrives.
Ok, we'll use your opinion instead. It makes better reading at least.

The Higuain situation is similar to Llorente in the sense that we are dealing with a high profile player who could've also sparked competition from other clubs. Even moreso coz there was one less variable to deal with: his club. Had we beat around the bush in the salary negotiations, I don't think we'd have Llorente.
And it's dissimilar in the sense that Higuain is not a free agent and is not free to talk to any club, like Llorente was in January.
 
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