Gonzalo Higuaín (47 apps, 8 goals in CL and 43% chance conversion rate) (13 Viewers)

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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Current Torres this year: 17 goals in all competitions. Now look at his goals. Won Chelsea the EL, scored 3 in CL, secured third spot in EPL, almost all of his goals have been very important. Even last year, his goal against Barca cemented Chelsea's final spot.

Higuain: 1 goal in CL :howler:

Even when he's shit Torres contributes more to the team than that choker.

But hey, this is just an informed opinion. Keep dismissing it by posting gifs and saying I'm trolling because your best argument is Higuain's season from three years ago.
 
May 22, 2007
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Current Torres this year: 17 goals in all competitions. Now look at his goals. Won Chelsea the EL, scored 3 in CL, secured third spot in EPL, almost all of his goals have been very important. Even last year, his goal against Barca cemented Chelsea's final spot.

Higuain: 1 goal in CL :howler:

Even when he's shit Torres contributes more to the team than that choker.

But hey, this is just an informed opinion. Keep dismissing it by posting gifs and saying I'm trolling because your best argument is Higuain's season from three years ago.
You don't know what you're talking about, the Europa League stuff is the only good run of form Torres has shown in about 2-3 years, and most of it happened to be against fairly weak European teams. 3 goals in the Champions League, with two of them against the Danish fodder. He went 5 months without scoring a Premier League goal and ended up with an impressive 8 overall (at least it beat the 6 goals he scored last season). And you call Higuaín a choker, when Torres has been absent from football since the world cup.

Even in the Champions League Higuaín actually had an impact against Man Utd, Galatasaray and Dortmund and contributed, despite still being disappointing in that regard. His league form is in a different planet (and he's received nowhere near the same game time Torres has) in each of the last 2 seasons, and he's very decisive for his national team in their qualifiers. Claiming Torres "secured third spot in EPL" is a joke, when that team has been run by the likes of Lampard, Hazard and Mata.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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We don't need someone who can score against weak league teams, and if I'm not mistaken everyone here is always criticizing La Liga for having a very weak bottom half of the table (the teams Higuain scores against). So according to the logic here, he should not be as good in Serie A as he is in La Liga. And as for Europe he's bad, period.

I only watch the big Real games and he's pretty much always been disappointing in those. At least Torres has scored in some important matches and has more goals than Higuain overall, even with that 5 month period you mentioned.

Now I'm not by any means saying I want Torres here, I do not. Just providing some perspective to how unimpressive I think Higuain has been lately.
 
May 22, 2007
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We don't need someone who can score against weak league teams, and if I'm not mistaken everyone here is always criticizing La Liga for having a very weak bottom half of the table (the teams Higuain scores against). So according to the logic here, he should not be as good in Serie A as he is in La Liga. And as for Europe he's bad, period.
Yeah, compare the league form to Torres, which is what this discussion is about. It isn't even close, despite the constant rotation Higuaín is being served. European form is still not good enough but he was very good at Old Trafford, his goal against Gala turned out to be important and he set up the away goal against Dortmund. His contribution wasn't nothing, and he exceeded Torres in that competition too.

I only watch the big Real games and he's pretty much always been disappointing in those. At least Torres has scored in some important matches and has more goals than Higuain overall, even with that 5 month period you mentioned.
Comparing goals scored is useless if you don't compare the amount of game time each player has had in this case. Torres has played over 2000 more minutes than Higuaín this season, and scraped by thanks to a strong final few games in the Europa League, which is his only good form over the last 2 seasons. Is it worth comparing their overall goal tally here? Not really.

I'm not going to argue Higuaín is in his best form for Madrid, when he's clearly not, and I think he can sometimes can be disappointing in big games. Torres has been a joke for 2-3 years.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Questioning Pipita's performance in the bigger stage is one thing, completely valid point, but to try to compare to THIS current Torres is just an extreme case of playing the devils advocate. There is zero logical arguments to how Torres can be comparable to him, or any other striker who is remotely competent currently.
 

Kasaki

Moggi's Assistant
Jun 1, 2010
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Seeing as how Torres has scored more than Balotelli, Tevez, Dzeko and a whole host of other forwards this season, he's done well for himself. Even in his slump of form he's staying afloat.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Comparing goals scored is useless if you don't compare the amount of game time each player has had in this case. Torres has played over 2000 more minutes than Higuaín this season, and scraped by thanks to a strong final few games in the Europa League, which is his only good form over the last 2 seasons. Is it worth comparing their overall goal tally here? Not really.

I'm not going to argue Higuaín is in his best form for Madrid, when he's clearly not, and I think he can sometimes can be disappointing in big games. Torres has been a joke for 2-3 years.
Good point, but if we take that into account we may as well say we don't need Higuain since Quagliarella has more goals per minutes played. We'll just go around and around in a circle.

Would I be happy with Higuain for 15 mill? Yeah, I would, mainly because of the potential he's shown. But I don't think he will elevate Juve enough to compete with the top teams in Europe. But that's just me.
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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Would I be happy with Higuain for 15 mill? Yeah, I would, mainly because of the potential he's shown. But I don't think he will elevate Juve enough to compete with the top teams in Europe. But that's just me.
Hot dayyuummm, baby. That's a real stupid comment.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Good point, but if we take that into account we may as well say we don't need Higuain since Quagliarella has more goals per minutes played. We'll just go around and around in a circle.

Would I be happy with Higuain for 15 mill? Yeah, I would, mainly because of the potential he's shown. But I don't think he will elevate Juve enough to compete with the top teams in Europe. But that's just me.
As a long striker serving as an assist and returnbot, Higuain isnt quite doing what he's good at, yet scores a crapton of goals per minute compared to any other striker

Under pellegrini, he was played like he should, and his scoring record was absolutely amazing, despite young age, even dwarfing ronaldo.

This season, Higuain had it rough, considering the internal struggles and all. Only a man with a head up his ass can miss this.

Other seasons, Higuain goals per minute ratio, is higher then all juventus strikers combined goals per minute.

If you think Higuain isnt great, then you obviously know nothing about mourinho's real, the situation this season, and his amazing period under pellegrini and actually the first two seasons under Mou despite beeing benchplayer usually
 
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