Gonzalo Higuaín (47 apps, 8 goals in CL and 43% chance conversion rate) (35 Viewers)

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baggio

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You see that is my opinion, that we probably had principal agreements will several big strikers we didn't sign. Then we got gazumped. That's my opinion at least, which is different to fact. We are talking early stage stuff, maybe not even a handshake, certainly not 'we have an agreement so just give them what they want and ciao Pipita', which is what you are suggesting.
I'd like you to point out where I said, just give them what they want. This whole discussion was a hypothesis brought about by an 'assumption' that I myself raised, asking everybody if they would blame the club or the lack of funds argument if we lost out to Arsenal with regard to Higuain.

I've scrolled along and found you saying:
This is the portion I was talking about: The player himself has an 'agreement' of some sort with us, so the wages clearly are not a stumbling block, just like they weren't for Aguero and RvP.

So it's fact.
Now we're in advanced talks.
Allow me to clarify any misunderstanding you may have had.

I don't have access to the documentation, just like I didn't have access to Jojo's 30m bid, but to me it is a fact that we are interested and in advanced talks with regards to Higuain. My opinion is that we do have an agreement with the player.

Now we don't really have an agreement with him at all. I'll just be simple on this; there are no facts to suggest we have an agreement with Higuain.

We've already had confirmation from Bronzetti, Perez and Higuain's agent that there have been discussions, suggested indirectly with Bronzetti as a go-between by Higuain's agent. Nothing advanced or in detail. Next we're going to Madrid.

My point should be obvious, but you're essentially asking me to discuss things that haven't happened, just a scenario you've played out in your mind.
We won't have an agreement with the player till you see it on juventus.com. But you could be mistaken to think that those conditions have not been outlined. I believe that things are advanced, never asked you to agree. The scenario is my estimate and reading of the situation based on our mercato ambitions this year. So they're certainly things playing out in mind, just like you think things haven't happened before the Madrid lunch.

Yes, deals are very easy when you just give teams what they want. Ho hum, we can't do that.

I also think it's wide of the mark to suggest we can't negotiate several deals concurrently. Manager's in England spend most of their day during the transfer window on the phone to clubs and agents, it would be the same if not worse for someone like Marotta. If we are talking about allocating money that is a different thing, and personally I don't think it impacts on our signings. Our transfer spending doesn't suggest that at all.

We have a budget for each transfer. If we refuse to pay an extra €2m for a striker it's not because we spent €12m on a defender, it's because we think the striker is above our valuation ("too expensive"). We could piss €100m away, I'm quite sure. Actually I think some would quite like that.
Irrelevant, really. I have never been in favor of the team just giving into the asking price of a player. Look at the Jojo thread for instance. Teams in England would not really be the analogy you could make when discussing this Juventus under Marrotta. We don't have the spending power of those clubs, and they more often than not end up with their primary targets unlike us. My problem with chasing multiple player agreements is again, based on our mercato patterns. We end up with links and personal agreements and fail when it comes to negotiating with the club. He has done exactly this in the past to lose out on targets. It's one thing to cast the net far and wide, completely another, to not prirotise, like he needs to be doing this season - his neck is pretty much on the line with regard to the striker.

I dont see where i mentioned anything about the money we are spending on Ogbonna or falling short on the striker budget, it's more about prirotizing our mercato targets. Not player valuations. (whether 'too expensive or too cheap') The CF/SS and LwB need to come before anybody else, just like last season, but at the end of it, we had a makeshift LwB in Asamoah and a CF/SS hybrid in Giovinco.
 

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Fred

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Well I can't see us coughing up 25-30M either. So Tottenham it is then?



Wouldn't say mediocre, I read Conte have been wanting him for years
I think he would fail miserably in Italy.

He has some good qualities, his pace is one obvious quality he has, his finishing has become quite good, and his crossing and set pieces have also improved considerably, so despite the fact that he has improved over last season, I am still not completely convinced by him. His lack of technique and intelligence on the ball is too glaring for my liking. Wenger recognizes his deficiencies, which is why Theo tends to try and make off the ball runs behind the defense(which he does well), as he isn't very good in one to one situations with the ball at his feet, and he's extremely poor playing with his back to defenders.
 

Gian

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I think he would fail miserably in Italy.

He has some good qualities, his pace is one obvious quality he has, his finishing has become quite good, and his crossing and set pieces have also improved considerably, so despite the fact that he has improved over last season, I am still not completely convinced by him. His lack of technique and intelligence on the ball is too glaring for my liking. Wenger recognizes his deficiencies, which is why Theo tends to try and make off the ball runs behind the defense(which he does well), as he isn't very good in one to one situations with the ball at his feet, and he's extremely poor playing with his back to defenders.
There aren't many players I know that are for ~80% dependent on their pace and still manage to assist and score as often as he does. I think he compensates his weak points well imo.

I remember a certain Krasic, who was all about speed, being useless the moment defenders had found him out.
 

Fred

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There aren't many players I know that are for ~80% dependent on their pace and still manage to assist and score as often as he does. I think he compensates his weak points well imo.
He does, because I think Wenger uses him well. Look at how terrible he is for the English NT, and watch him fail terribly if he leaves Arsenal.
 

Gian

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He does, because I think Wenger uses him well. Look at how terrible he is for the English NT, and watch him fail terribly if he leaves Arsenal.
Don't think he'll leave Arsenal in the near future though.

What do you think of Giroud btw? Is he going to be replaced in the coming season or will he stay as a starter
 

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Nasri ony played one good season for Arsenal (was it even a whole season he was good for?) and a lot of that was being down to being played centrally.

He's only ever been played wide for Man City.
 
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