Juliano13

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Got it. I just really think it can work, even more, I think it worked up to the point where we should've made the last shot, but we took the wrong shot imo.
It did work. Our transfer policy was the best in Europe until 2015. After that we still made some good moves but also some absolute shockers.

We should have kept Vidal, definitely.

I don't blame Marotta for selling Pogba. He clearly wanted to go and you don't want an unhappy Pogba in the team. But should have bought a bought a young 40-50m striker and a 40-50m midfielder with that money instead of blowing it all on a fat, old, lazy choker.
 

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Kopanja

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It did work. Our transfer policy was the best in Europe until 2015. After that we still made some good moves but also some absolute shockers.

We should have kept Vidal, definitely.

I don't blame Marotta for selling Pogba. He clearly wanted to go and you don't want an unhappy Pogba in the team. But should have bought a bought a young 40-50m striker and a 40-50m midfielder with that money instead of blowing it all on a fat, old, lazy choker.
Yep, completely agree. And Pjanic transfer was great also, but Gonzalo was supposed to be a "next level" transfer, and it was in terms of price.
 

Juliano13

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Yep, completely agree. And Pjanic transfer was great also, but Gonzalo was supposed to be a "next level" transfer, and it was in terms of price.
Pjanic was a steal.

We had a great midfield until 2015 and we should have built on that.

Pirlo retired, it was his time.
Marchisio tore ACL, nothing we could do about that.
Pogba would have left sooner or later. He's a media whore.
Vidal is the obvious mistake. Together with Pjanic and another good purchase we would have been set. Khedira on free was perfect for a rotation player but not for a starter.

That's why I think Marotta's biggest mistakes were Higuain and Vidal.
 
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He's a money man but yeah, the lower cost is always a better deal because there is often financial gain to be made. If you continue doing that you in theory improve the team with more resources, but if you sell regularly you can only be a team like Dortmund at best.
It really depends on how you spend the money you bring in from those sales. Liverpool for example did okay when they sold Coutinho. Of course they also previously didn't quite have the same level of success spending the Suarez money.
 

Boudz

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“A director tries to bring players in relatively cheap and sell them on at a significant profit,” said Marotta during a Q&A event in Rimini this evening.

This is exactly why Marotta had to go. He took more pride in the profit he made on players over the 7 scudetto's he was involved in. No wonder he kept all the bums. He couldn't make a profit on them.

He wanted to wave his big dick in Serie A so he pulled that Higuain move. He thought if he took Higuain from Napoli he would for sure be the baddest mofo in the league. "Look at me now. Started from the bottom now we here. Just yesterday I was at Sampdoria and look at me balling now".

Dude was flexing on other Italian clubs as if they could even challenge us. As if we were in the same league as them. Dude kept flexing hard on Roma and Fiorentina and Napoli while Agnelli is thinking global.
 
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Pjanic was a steal.

We had a great midfield until 2015 and we should have built on that.

Pirlo retired, it was his time.
Marchisio tore ACL, nothing we could do about that.
Pogba would have left sooner or later. He's a media whore.
Vidal is the obvious mistake. Together with Pjanic and another good purchase we would have been set. Khedira on free was perfect for a rotation player but not for a starter.

That's why I think Marotta's biggest mistakes were Higuain and Vidal.

Pogba was also a mistake imo. Man Utd have proven that they could keep him despite his desire to leave. Also, we sold him to a very poor Man Utd. This wasn't Barcelona or Real Madrid.
 

Nedved96

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This guy is one of the biggest reasons why we are in a dire state right now.

He signed Matuidi, Higuain, MDS, re-signed Bonucci, and extended Khedira’s contract. All mediocre older “proven“ players instead of making smart signings.

Thankfully he’s now doing the same shit at Inter. He’s already signed Sanchez, Eriksen, Godin, Young and Moses. Hopefully he gets Dzeko and Vidal too.

Paratici is a clown but this guy was no better. What he did to our team towards the end of his stint here was criminal.
 

zizinho

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This guy is one of the biggest reasons why we are in a dire state right now.

He signed Matuidi, Higuain, MDS, re-signed Bonucci, and extended Khedira’s contract. All mediocre older “proven“ players instead of making smart signings.

Thankfully he’s now doing the same shit at Inter. He’s already signed Sanchez, Eriksen, Godin, Young and Moses. Hopefully he gets Dzeko and Vidal too.

Paratici is a clown but this guy was no better. What he did to our team towards the end of his stint here was criminal.
We have done well in the mercato up until 2015 (only issue was we didn't sign another starting caliber mid when Vidal and Pirlo both left, and we got only Khedira), but since then there is a lot wrong with what we do. We also stopped cashing in at the right time. People will say we shouldn't have sold Vidal but it's partly because we held on for too long on the current bunch that we are in this situation. Everyone can be replaced, but it should be with players that are to have their prime here, not ones that had it elsewhere
 

Nedved96

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Beppe is a legend. At least he didn't sack Maxx and hire Sarri, the worst fucking coach in the history of Juventus.
Beppe hired then actual worst coach in Juventus history (Del Neri).

I find it amusing how the same people who used to defend Allegri in his final season here and blamed the midfield recruitment for our decline (a sentiment I agree with) are the same people who praise Beppe like he did nothing wrong.

Our squad in 2018/19 was entirely Beppe.

That limp dick midfield of Pjanic-Khedira-Matuidi was his masterpiece.
 
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Beppe hired then actual worst coach in Juventus history (Del Neri).

I find it amusing how the same people who used to defend Allegri in his final season here and blamed the midfield recruitment for our decline (a sentiment I agree with) are the same people who praise Beppe like he did nothing wrong.

Our squad in 2018/19 was entirely Beppe.

That limp dick midfield of Pjanic-Khedira-Matuidi was his masterpiece.
He also build the Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba midfield. Beppe like everyone else will get some right and some wrong. One thing is certain though Beppe played a huge part in getting us back among the top European clubs.

Also we did make it to a CL final with the Pjanic and Khedira double-pivot, both of them were good signings. The problem with Khedira was the unnecessary contract renewal.
 
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X Æ A-12

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Beppe hired then actual worst coach in Juventus history (Del Neri).

I find it amusing how the same people who used to defend Allegri in his final season here and blamed the midfield recruitment for our decline (a sentiment I agree with) are the same people who praise Beppe like he did nothing wrong.

Our squad in 2018/19 was entirely Beppe.

That limp dick midfield of Pjanic-Khedira-Matuidi was his masterpiece.
Stupid comparison, look at the difference between where the team was then and where it was when Sarri was hired. Del Neri was hired because literally who the fuck else would have wanted the expectations Juventus carries with the shit squad it had the time? It was unappealing as hell.

When Sarri was hired we had fucking Ronaldo in the team.

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He also build the Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba midfield. Beppe like everyone else will get some right and some wrong. One thing is certain though Beppe played a huge part in getting us back among the top European clubs.

Also we did make it to a CL final with the Pjanic and Khedira double-pivot, both of them were good signings. The problem with Khedira was the unnecessary contract renewal.
All you have to do is look at where the club was when he arrived and where the club was when he left. Its simple really but this dude is a Sarri boi so...
 

Nedved96

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All you have to do is look at where the club was when he arrived and where the club was when he left. Its simple really but this dude is a Sarri boi so...
I can acknowledge that Beppe did a lot of good for this club, if only you can acknowledge he also did some serious damage towards the end.

Juve’s midfield on the day he left was Pjanic, Khedira, Matuidi, Can, Bentancur...
 

X Æ A-12

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I can acknowledge that Beppe did a lot of good for this club, if only you can acknowledge he also did some serious damage towards the end.

Juve’s midfield on the day he left was Pjanic, Khedira, Matuidi, Can, Bentancur...
No and serious damage is not how i would describe it at all. What happened is our policy of signing market opportunities no longer suits the ambition of the club. It can continue to dominate Serie A but will it make the step up to winning the CL? Maybe but that depends on the luck of the right players being available at the right time. It isn't likely imo that policy will beat the best in Europe.

Despite as tired as we all are of that midfield none of them inidividually were bad acquisitions the issue is they aren't an effective collective unit and the policy putting them there has yet to have been changed. Despite Beppe having left.
 

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