Giuseppe Marotta (65 Viewers)

[Jem83]

those two are 23 and 19, we would either have 10-12 years out of them or sell after some time for pure profit. they would also cost less than Higuain combined and would be on acceptable wages. much smarter and much more Juve-esque type of business

We make those sort of deals all the time; lower fees for younger, more up and coming players whose value will increase with time etc. And we will continue to do that. I'm all for it!

However, the moment has now come to get that WC striker who offers certain guarantees.

 

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[Zacheryah]

those two are 23 and 19, we would either have 10-12 years out of them or sell after some time for pure profit. they would also cost less than Higuain combined and would be on acceptable wages. much smarter and much more Juve-esque type of business

by that time, we wont have the same defence and goalkeeper as today

 

[zizinho]

We make those sort of deals all the time; lower fees for younger, more up and coming players whose value will increase with time etc. And we will continue to do that. I'm all for it!

However, the moment has now come to get that WC striker who offers certain guarantees.

we already have an attack that offers guarantees. we simply needed to replace Morata with a young CF that fits into the team and eventually Zaza with Gabigol. nothing more

 

[Jem83]

we already have an attack that offers guarantees. we simply needed to replace Morata with a young CF that fits into the team and eventually Zaza with Gabigol. nothing more

I don't agree with that. Dybala is majestic, and so was Morata, but even last year we were lacking that "bomber" type of fella, who Mandzukic was supposed to be.

Don't get me wrong, Mandzu is a very good player close to being WC, and I'm super happy he's gonna be in our line-up next season.

But we went out against Bayern because they have some next level shit up front (Lewa, Müller). It's time to take that step-up. Higuain offers this.

 

[zizinho]

by that time, we wont have the same defence and goalkeeper as today

Icardi is already top level striker and we have Mandzukic, the guy that was a starter here last season. you dont seriously think we wouldnt be able to compete without Higuain do you?

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I don't agree with that. Dybala is majestic, and so was Morata, but even last year we were lacking that "bomber" type of fella, who Mandzukic was supposed to be.

Don't get me wrong, Mandzu is a very good player close to being WC, and I'm super happy he's gonna be in our line-up next season.

But we went out against Bayern because they have some next level shit up front (Lewa, Müller). It's time to take that step-up. Higuain offers this.

we went out against Bayern because we got 6 major ref mistakes in 2 games and went to Munich without 3 key starters. we still were millimeters away from progressing. i definitely wouldnt see us inferior against anyone next season with the current squad and without Higuain

 

[Xperd]

I don't agree with that. Dybala is majestic, and so was Morata, but even last year we were lacking that "bomber" type of fella, who Mandzukic was supposed to be.

Don't get me wrong, Mandzu is a very good player close to being WC, and I'm super happy he's gonna be in our line-up next season.

But we went out against Bayern because they have some next level shit up front (Lewa, Müller). It's time to take that step-up. Higuain offers this.

Mandzukic is a good striker but to win CL, you need world class forwards and Higuain is just that.

Now people are going to bring up Bayern 2013 inevitably, but that team had 2-3 difference makers namely Robben, Ribery and Muller. That alone makes up for not having a top level CF.

Mandzukic-Dybala is not a CL winning worthy forward-line no matter whichever you look at it.

 

[JCK]

What happened to this forum where there are pages and pages of arguments about Marotta and I am not involved in them?

 

[Jem83]

we went out against Bayern because we got 6 major ref mistakes in 2 games and went to Munich without 3 key starters. we still were millimeters away from progressing. i definitely wouldnt see us inferior against anyone next season with the current squad and without Higuain

Yeah the Bayern matches were complicated, and many factors did indeed contribute, but I also remember how well Lewa and Müller took those chances in critical moments. We were lacking that, in that tie.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

Dude, i've been absolutely trashing how the EU handles Turkey for over a year now, its pathetic. Thanks to Erdogan staging this coup, and the resulting actions, the EU is now doing slowly what it should have.
Fucks sake, that melagomanic dictator was not far away from joining the EU and getting insane funds to harbor refugees, whilst actively involved with oiltrade that supported IS the most.

Fucking EU. We need the EU, but they need to get their shit togheter in foreign politucs.



You look at it the wrong way. You imply we are selling pogba to fund higuain. Thats absolutely not the case. We stated many times we dont want to sell. If Pogba goes its his agent forcing the move. And us going on the market as a result.

About Erdogan - you don't really believe the news right? They knew he was staging the coup while he wasn't yet sure himself if he'd outlive it and was asking Germany for asylum...

Just look at it this way - if Europe wanted it Erdogan would be playing in the Olympics in Rio, until we decided to go route treachery 101. Erdogan not ready to fight in Syria and against Russia is not an useful Erdogan. What was even more exciting is the calls for democracy and leniency in a fucking army... Next we'd be suing them for not giving gay soldiers a proper working environment and a gay-pride-parade.

I know our management is smart enough to make Pogba and Higuain deals not seem tip for tap, they are smarter than that in our marketing/PR dept. But money talks and if Pogba walks out in less than 3 years - no need for more lies. Another lie around here is that no one is negotiating... It's not war, its business and we are not even in real competition.

 

[Zacheryah]

Icardi is already top level striker and we have Mandzukic, the guy that was a starter here last season. you dont seriously think we wouldnt be able to compete without Higuain do you?

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we went out against Bayern because we got 6 major ref mistakes in 2 games and went to Munich without 3 key starters. we still were millimeters away from progressing. i definitely wouldnt see us inferior against anyone next season with the current squad and without Higuain

I strongly believe we MUST keep Mandzukic. But he isnt worldclass. I really really want us to keep him.

 

[zizinho]

I strongly believe we MUST keep Mandzukic. But he isnt worldclass. I really really want us to keep him.

i want him to stay too but now that Higuain is here.... he gave an interview to some croatian paper where he said hes gonna stay 100% when the season ended. however, did he know at the time that we will sign Higuain? we were still trying to keep Morata back then so i doubt it. hope he doesent change his mind now

 

[enzo]

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Rugani. Rumors are including him in the Napoli deal to lower the price. I want to keep Rugani.

Losing Rugani would fuck up this transfer completely.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

Why bring those two up? They bear no relevance to this whatsoever.

Higuain was someone we targeted and who we could actually attain.

Simply on a guarantee bases. Price seems unimportant into the equation with Higuain, why exclude anyone.

And to Zach saying that they would refuse to sign here is another mystery to me. Both players were considering PSG, I guess the centuries of champion traditions there, incalculable trophies and league quality had their say... Could have it been the Qatari money too?

 

[Zacheryah]

About Erdogan - you don't really believe the news right? They knew he was staging the coup while he wasn't yet sure himself if he'd outlive it and was asking Germany for asylum...

Just look at it this way - if Europe wanted it Erdogan would be playing in the Olympics in Rio, until we decided to go route treachery 101. Erdogan not ready to fight in Syria and against Russia is not an useful Erdogan. What was even more exciting is the calls for democracy and leniency in a fucking army... Next we'd be suing them for not giving gay soldiers a proper working environment and a gay-pride-parade.

I know our management is smart enough to make Pogba and Higuain deals not seem tip for tap, they are smarter than that in our marketing/PR dept. But money talks and if Pogba walks out in less than 3 years - no need for more lies. Another lie around here is that no one is negotiating... It's not war, its business and we are not even in real competition.

I dont know what to believe. I'm usually against conspiracy theories. But the amateuristic execution here and the load of questions and odd occurences, coupled with the complete shutdown of any democracy left and him getting all the power and actively trying to eradicate any opposition ? Its crazy.Silly EU

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i want him to stay too but now that Higuain is here.... he gave an interview to some croatian paper where he said hes gonna stay 100% when the season ended. however, did he know at the time that we will sign Higuain? we were still trying to keep Morata back then so i doubt it. hope he doesent change his mind now

Agent said so, havent heard of exit talks aswel

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

I dont know what to believe. I'm usually against conspiracy theories. But the amateuristic execution here and the load of questions and odd occurences, coupled with the complete shutdown of any democracy left and him getting all the power and actively trying to eradicate any opposition ? Its crazy.Silly EU

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Agent said so, havent heard of exit talks aswel

When you invite people on the streets its a sign of democracy imho - because they will see, feel and live it first hand. When you tell them stay home, don't worry and we'll take care of it... Democracy is gone for good.

 

[v1rtu4l]

That is the worst attempt at handing out a dig i've seen in years, and i've seen alot.

Allow me to educate what you are missing peasant.

Napoli refuses to negotiate point blank about Higuain. The only option is triggering his release clause.

Turky turky here, took 4 days to understand that we trigger a release clause and we didnt negotiate the payment.



After we communicated that, there are some reports De Lau got scared and would actually consider negotiating, but thats just reports

first off, my reply was towards turk_bianconero, you know that is why i quoted him, but in your feeble attempt to basically pick fights with everyone here you simply overstepped the boundaries of your limited brain capacity and fail to grasp the trains of thoughts of the ones you reply to in your very generic "me vs everyone else"-way.

i blasted turk_bianconero for being a whiny bitch about how the deal with higuain got constructed even though we do not even know how this deal will eventually turn out to be closed. furthermore i critizised that he dares to critizise a professional that has negotiated quite a few player transfers without turk_bianconero probably not even ever having negotiated for something of worth other then a pair of fake levi's trousers on a turkish bazar.

you blast turk even though you basically fall for the same mistake, which is believing that the deal is already done and done the way you fabricate things in your mind.
the only thing we know is how high the release clause is. we do not know if we will pay the release clause in one payment, two payments, or money plus players.

why do we not know that ?
because it was not officially stated by either clubs.

why is that ?
because it is not negotiated yet. If we only pay cash (the release clause that is) in one installment, then you would be right that this is not an negotiation, even though you could say that the wage of higuain was still to be negotiated. If there will be players included in the deal then there IS a negotiation for the value those players would have inside of the payment for higuain. the probability for ADL to actually want to have players included in the deal seems to be high, because he might fear being milked by other clubs if they know that ADL received 90 m € for higuain.

Based on this assumption and the fact that we threaten to take higuain even if we need to pay the full clause may lead ADL to resume his former interest in perreyra and try to include him with the lowest possible valuation inside of the higuain payment. this will be indeed something that will be negotiated and in this case your assumption of "there is no negotiation to be done" is false.

in either case neither your rambling about "there is no negotiation" nor turks "morronta can't negotiate when his life depends on it" are valid points and are both premature, because you basically act as if anything of the deal was already set in stone which is false.

if the deal was already done one of the clubs would have announced it. another indicator for why there will probably be a negotiation is, that there is no announcement yet. if marotta said "we pay the 90m € for higuain" then ADL had no choice to sign the papers and the deal would be done and announced, but since it takes a lot longer one might speculate that is because there will be players included in the deal and we know that there will be additional time needed to negotiate the players value and the players contract with napoli to complete the deal.

yours sincerely
a. peasant

 

[Amer]

Pogba staying, with Higuain coming in along with Alves, Benatia, Pjanic and Pjaca would be an epic Mercato. One we haven't even seen in the Moggi era.

 

[Hust]

Dude, you dare to speak about the great saviour Marotta ? Did you ever even negotiate for something worth more than a turkish montain goat ? the only thing we know is what the release clause is. now you come along with no frigging clue about if players are included or not and how high the actual fee is or how high his wages are and rant along having basically not more knowledge in the topic of football transfers than the average drunk hobo on the street that mumbles "if i was in charge i would make better politics".

No, you do not have any clue and you ramble along without any facts and even worse, you do not even have a track record of ever being even an ounce knowledgeable in the ways of the transfer market. Just because erdogan forbid football managers later than fm 2003 you do not need to come here with your deep knowledge of 10 yeahr old football managers. all information in the media about the deal is just speculation and the only fact we know is the height of the release clause, which is not to say that we even need to pay it.

you probably come here because if you open the mouth on the street the people around you already roll their eyes and think "oh no, not this mad man again". now honestly, what is your line of work, what are you employed as that you have such good knowledge of negotiations for football players ? perhaps i need to eat my words but usually intelligent folks dont ramble around without knowing the facts beforehand.

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first off, my reply was towards turk_bianconero, you know that is why i quoted him, but in your feeble attempt to basically pick fights with everyone here you simply overstepped the boundaries of your limited brain capacity and fail to grasp the trains of thoughts of the ones you reply to in your very generic "me vs everyone else"-way.

i blasted turk_bianconero for being a whiny bitch about how the deal with higuain got constructed even though we do not even know how this deal will eventually turn out to be closed. furthermore i critizised that he dares to critizise a professional that has negotiated quite a few player transfers without turk_bianconero probably not even ever having negotiated for something of worth other then a pair of fake levi's trousers on a turkish bazar.

you blast turk even though you basically fall for the same mistake, which is believing that the deal is already done and done the way you fabricate things in your mind.
the only thing we know is how high the release clause is. we do not know if we will pay the release clause in one payment, two payments, or money plus players.

why do we not know that ?
because it was not officially stated by either clubs.

why is that ?
because it is not negotiated yet. If we only pay cash (the release clause that is) in one installment, then you would be right that this is not an negotiation, even though you could say that the wage of higuain was still to be negotiated. If there will be players included in the deal then there IS a negotiation for the value those players would have inside of the payment for higuain. the probability for ADL to actually want to have players included in the deal seems to be high, because he might fear being milked by other clubs if they know that ADL received 90 m € for higuain.

Based on this assumption and the fact that we threaten to take higuain even if we need to pay the full clause may lead ADL to resume his former interest in perreyra and try to include him with the lowest possible valuation inside of the higuain payment. this will be indeed something that will be negotiated and in this case your assumption of "there is no negotiation to be done" is false.

in either case neither your rambling about "there is no negotiation" nor turks "morronta can't negotiate when his life depends on it" are balid points and are both premature, because you basically act as if anything of the deal was already set in stone which is false.

if the deal was already done one of the clubs would have announced it. another indicator for why there will probably be a negotiation is, that there is no announcement yet. if marotta said "we pay the 90m € for higuain" then ADL had no choice to sign the papers and the deal would be done and announced, but since it takes a lot longer one might speculate that is because there will be players included in the deal and we know that there will be additional time needed to negotiate the players value and the players contract with napoli to complete the deal.

yours sincerely
a. peasant

 

[Xperd]

first off, my reply was towards turk_bianconero, you know that is why i quoted him, but in your feeble attempt to basically pick fights with everyone here you simply overstepped the boundaries of your limited brain capacity and fail to grasp the trains of thoughts of the ones you reply to in your very generic "me vs everyone else"-way.

i blasted turk_bianconero for being a whiny bitch about how the deal with higuain got constructed even though we do not even know how this deal will eventually turn out to be closed. furthermore i critizised that he dares to critizise a professional that has negotiated quite a few player transfers without turk_bianconero probably not even ever having negotiated for something of worth other then a pair of fake levi's trousers on a turkish bazar.

you blast turk even though you basically fall for the same mistake, which is believing that the deal is already done and done the way you fabricate things in your mind.
the only thing we know is how high the release clause is. we do not know if we will pay the release clause in one payment, two payments, or money plus players.

why do we not know that ?
because it was not officially stated by either clubs.

why is that ?
because it is not negotiated yet. If we only pay cash (the release clause that is) in one installment, then you would be right that this is not an negotiation, even though you could say that the wage of higuain was still to be negotiated. If there will be players included in the deal then there IS a negotiation for the value those players would have inside of the payment for higuain. the probability for ADL to actually want to have players included in the deal seems to be high, because he might fear being milked by other clubs if they know that ADL received 90 m € for higuain.

Based on this assumption and the fact that we threaten to take higuain even if we need to pay the full clause may lead ADL to resume his former interest in perreyra and try to include him with the lowest possible valuation inside of the higuain payment. this will be indeed something that will be negotiated and in this case your assumption of "there is no negotiation to be done" is false.

in either case neither your rambling about "there is no negotiation" nor turks "morronta can't negotiate when his life depends on it" are balid points and are both premature, because you basically act as if anything of the deal was already set in stone which is false.

if the deal was already done one of the clubs would have announced it. another indicator for why there will probably be a negotiation is, that there is no announcement yet. if marotta said "we pay the 90m € for higuain" then ADL had no choice to sign the papers and the deal would be done and announced, but since it takes a lot longer one might speculate that is because there will be players included in the deal and we know that there will be additional time needed to negotiate the players value and the players contract with napoli to complete the deal.

yours sincerely
a. peasant

 

[Hust]

Somewhere out there on the internets Zach is furiously working on a response